4xdog
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Yeah, but PB Swiss *did* put close colors on adjacent tools. They just didn't do it in spectrum order.
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Yeah, but PB Swiss *did* put close colors on adjacent tools. They just didn't do it in spectrum order.
I'm not all that particular, i was just enjoying the concept of the coated metal, my personal preference would be to have all back powder coated that would never wear off, but that's not gonna happen
matt stott
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Yeah, but PB Swiss *did* put close colors on adjacent tools. They just didn't do it in spectrum order.
Yep- and it looks like even closer together with the inch set than the metric. Not very happy with that.
Matt
Lassen Forge
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I have a set of nutdrivers like that - each size its own color - love how easy it is to find the one you're looking for, rather than squinting to see what the microscopic markings on the shank are. Plus, if I have a "kid helper", I can tell him (or her!) to grab the nut driver with the orange top rather than the 7/32nds... they cost a bit more, but it was worth it to me... just my 2¢... Sus
colterkittrick
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I enjoy working with quality tools and in the past I usually only bought the best but since I was forced to retire (semi-retired) due to an injury & I`m on a small fixed income I cannot buy nice tools such as Swiss Rainbow tools. I must get orphaned tools of various makes at 2nd hand stores, garage sales, pawn shops etc. to replace pieces of my once good set of tools that either mysteriously walked out of my shop or 1 of my brothers appropriated, know what I mean ? It`s frustrating, but WTH.
kiatech
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Okay, so we should add tool and die maker to the list of things you've done professionally? Just off the top of my head, from what I can recall, this would be the list of things you've done...
1. Contractor
2. Thrift shop owner
3. Art dealer/appraiser
4. Farmer
5. Auctioneer
6. Architect
7. Millionaire
8. Know it all
9. Buy/sell used machinery
10. Real estate mogul
11. Tool and die maker
Did I miss anything?
Jim C.
This is gold
comedyman809
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do they come with a 7MM???
most sets do not
most sets do not
No, I don't think any of the rainbow sets do. They might sell them as a single though.
Hi Dave,
May I ask you if you have used punches from Habero which they are now renamed Gedore?
How they would compare with PBswiss equivalent?
I have seem a center punch going through a 1/4" steel plate.
Many thanks
Nikos
Dave455
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Hi Nikos!
Yes I have!
As far as I am aware the Habero punches are still available. Habero was a separate company originally, that has been part of Gedore for some time! They still offer all their specialist tools (hammers and punches) under the Habero name, and a limited range under the Gedore name. There is a Habero section at the back of the Gedore catalogue, along with sections for the other firms in the group, and you can order it from any Gedore stockist.
Habero punches are quite good in my opinion. I have used mostly their pin punches, and I would say they are almost as strong as my old Eclipse, but are slightly longer, and slightly cheaper! I have seen a few bent ones, but they were most likely used incorrectly (i.e. someone used a long pin punch to start a pin moving!) I have a set of the starter punches too, which have had a lot of use and show little wear!
The PB punches are in a league above. Better material, better made, much stronger and an awesome finish. There really are no better tools out there at the moment, but they are expensive, and my local hardware shop doesn't keep them, unlike Habero!
Habero make some great Hammers too. I have a couple of theirs with the metal reinforcing around the handle. Awesome tools if you like the german pattern of hammer, which I actually do!
Yes I have!
As far as I am aware the Habero punches are still available. Habero was a separate company originally, that has been part of Gedore for some time! They still offer all their specialist tools (hammers and punches) under the Habero name, and a limited range under the Gedore name. There is a Habero section at the back of the Gedore catalogue, along with sections for the other firms in the group, and you can order it from any Gedore stockist.
Habero punches are quite good in my opinion. I have used mostly their pin punches, and I would say they are almost as strong as my old Eclipse, but are slightly longer, and slightly cheaper! I have seen a few bent ones, but they were most likely used incorrectly (i.e. someone used a long pin punch to start a pin moving!) I have a set of the starter punches too, which have had a lot of use and show little wear!
The PB punches are in a league above. Better material, better made, much stronger and an awesome finish. There really are no better tools out there at the moment, but they are expensive, and my local hardware shop doesn't keep them, unlike Habero!
Habero make some great Hammers too. I have a couple of theirs with the metal reinforcing around the handle. Awesome tools if you like the german pattern of hammer, which I actually do!
Hi Dave,
Thank you very much for the invaluable information.
I think I have found a shop with reasonable prices for the Pbswiss but they would sell only online. I will see if I can get a discount for the GJ members will post back.
Many thanks to all of the people of GJ, I am gland I have found this place as I was desperate to find a few truly good tools.
Regards
Nikos
Thank you very much for the invaluable information.
I think I have found a shop with reasonable prices for the Pbswiss but they would sell only online. I will see if I can get a discount for the GJ members will post back.
Many thanks to all of the people of GJ, I am gland I have found this place as I was desperate to find a few truly good tools.
Regards
Nikos
cosmik binturong
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the new post notification got here a day after i got those back from a friend after two years of use in his old japanese motorbikes restoration shop:
the 4mm was bent by using a longish tube on it, like 40cm. there's no others visible marks of use on the ends despite heavy usage.
the serial number is lasered on the powdercoating so if you might need to warranty one, better photograph them before use.
he replaced them with different single color sets for him and his two employees despite the powdercoating shortcomings for their use.
the 4mm was bent by using a longish tube on it, like 40cm. there's no others visible marks of use on the ends despite heavy usage.
the serial number is lasered on the powdercoating so if you might need to warranty one, better photograph them before use.
he replaced them with different single color sets for him and his two employees despite the powdercoating shortcomings for their use.
LordPsychon
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Wow, the paint shreds but the metal doesn't! Maybe $90 isn't such a bad price point after all.
Dave455
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In the U.K. it's best to get PB Swiss from Warwick Industrial Supplies! They are the importers and will most likely give you some sort of discount!
Nice folks to deal with, and a substantial U.K. stock! They gave a shop you can visit too!
Dave455
Well-known member
Pretty much as suspected!
I always think it's a bit of a shame that the PB Swiss tools that always seem to get the publicity are things like the painted hex keys and soft handled drivers which will wear the worst, and the most unsuitable for workshop use!
Get the regular hex keys, punches or CAB handled drivers and they will last better than anything else out there!
Bear in mind though, that if you put an extension pipe on a hex key, and manage to bend it, then try to warranty it, they will look at you in an odd way!! The warranty will do what it says, and they will replace something if they've messed up, not if you do!
Hi Dave,
Thanks for the info. It seems they do not sell online and I would have to travel up to Warwick from Guildford.
I will give them a call to ask if they have the things I am looking for and if they would post them to me.
A walk into a tool shop is always exciting and may be proved expensive��.
I will post back with any news.
Cheers
Dave455
Well-known member
Yes, just call them and they'll send what you want. They'll probably send you a catalogue too, so you can just order out of that next time!
I get my Stahlwille from them too, as they get it straight from Germany, so it doesn't get kicked round the floor before despatch!
A few years back, Guildford had a superb tool shop, Messengers, with just about anything the 'Gentleman Engineer' of Guildford could wish for! Sadly gone now!
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Wow Dave,
I remember myself getting into the Messengers when I first arrived in UK as a "mature" student.
It was indeed a heaven that I could only dream at that time! As soon as I has the money they had gone��.
What stahlwille tools you have? When I was in Germany I used to buy from tbs-aachen, very good service and low prices.
I fo sure believe they have the best sockets and maybe spanners but would you buy Stahlwille punches and chisels instead of PBswiss?
Have a good day!
Nikos
I remember myself getting into the Messengers when I first arrived in UK as a "mature" student.
It was indeed a heaven that I could only dream at that time! As soon as I has the money they had gone��.
What stahlwille tools you have? When I was in Germany I used to buy from tbs-aachen, very good service and low prices.
I fo sure believe they have the best sockets and maybe spanners but would you buy Stahlwille punches and chisels instead of PBswiss?
Have a good day!
Nikos
Dave455
Well-known member
There once was a time that every major town had a shop like that! Mostly gone, but there are still a couple left!
For many years, most of my tools were inch sized, either A/F or Whitworth, mostly old Britool with a smattering of Snap On! Metric stuff was all sorts of oddments!
I started buying Stahlwille when I was using mostly the metric, and wanted some 'complete' sets of stuff! I could get it at a more reasonable price than Snap On! I have ring spanners, open ended spanners and 3/8 drive sockets that are probably 15 plus years old and have worn well! I've got some other stuff that's newer such as 1/2 inch drive and Torx sockets. It's all good!
Yes, I'd agree that Stahlwille's strongest range are their 'hard line' tools such as spanners and socket spanners! They don't offer a big selection of punches/chisels, and I suspect they don't make 'em themselves! I'd choose the PB Swiss every time for those, and indeed have done so!
For many years, most of my tools were inch sized, either A/F or Whitworth, mostly old Britool with a smattering of Snap On! Metric stuff was all sorts of oddments!
I started buying Stahlwille when I was using mostly the metric, and wanted some 'complete' sets of stuff! I could get it at a more reasonable price than Snap On! I have ring spanners, open ended spanners and 3/8 drive sockets that are probably 15 plus years old and have worn well! I've got some other stuff that's newer such as 1/2 inch drive and Torx sockets. It's all good!
Yes, I'd agree that Stahlwille's strongest range are their 'hard line' tools such as spanners and socket spanners! They don't offer a big selection of punches/chisels, and I suspect they don't make 'em themselves! I'd choose the PB Swiss every time for those, and indeed have done so!
Hello Dave and all people in GJ,
Thank you again for the very helpful information.
I have a tricky question about Japanese standard JIS screwdrivers.
Many people in GJ have confirmed that Vessel JIS screwdrivers are now manufactured as per DIN 5260-PH rather than the actual JIS.
Also, it seems that PB Swiss philips screwdrivers are also conform to both DIN 5260-PH & DIN ISO 8764-1.
Does this mean that PB Swiss would also be be JIS combatible??
If the above is true I won't have to buy separate screwdrivers for JIS and Philips!!
Have a good day
Nikos
Thank you again for the very helpful information.
I have a tricky question about Japanese standard JIS screwdrivers.
Many people in GJ have confirmed that Vessel JIS screwdrivers are now manufactured as per DIN 5260-PH rather than the actual JIS.
Also, it seems that PB Swiss philips screwdrivers are also conform to both DIN 5260-PH & DIN ISO 8764-1.
Does this mean that PB Swiss would also be be JIS combatible??
If the above is true I won't have to buy separate screwdrivers for JIS and Philips!!
Have a good day
Nikos
dede2897234
Well-known member
Nikos,
Per the below PB Swiss catalog pages, their Phillips screwdrivers are manufactured to DIN 8764-1 standards. As a result, they are NOT compatible with JIS-conforming fasteners.
Dave
on their site they say they are not as tough as the steel ones, minus 15 on the HRC scale or something like that.
So technically they are inferior... but cost 4x. The only advantage is that they are not magnetic :/
matt stott
Well-known member
Yep. The only real advantage is their non-magnetic properties.
If you work on REALLY BIG magnets for a living, that is quite a selling point.
M
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