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DMAR

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Great deal with the 25% off. Grabbed a screwdriver set, stubby Phillips driver, 1/4" to 3/8" adapter, and to top it off a PB Swiss bottle opener. Happy Fathers Day to me!

Thanks for the heads up on the discount, it made the difference in deciding to try out PB Swiss drivers. Can't wait to see if they live up to the hype.
 
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I was looking at the 215 series interchangeable blades with the swissgrip handle.

Almost pulled the trigger, had everything in the cart ready to drop some $.
Ended up back peddling and withdrew from purchasing them. I was concerned about wobbling after use.
Great tools, just not the easiest to warranty in the states.
PB's warranty is killer though.

Rather purchase more of their fixed blade models, especially with the Hex drive near the handle, now those look sweet.


Keep in mind that the 215 series is very different from the 225. The 225 series shanks/bits are machined completely differently to engage the broaching on the hinged handle:

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The 215 series, like Tinner mentioned, has much less play as the shanks on the 215 gets inserted right into the handle.






Tinner,

I really hope the ratcheting screwdriver meets your expectations. I once played around with one, but I never walked out the store with it. :eek:
 

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Yeah, I saw the 1/4 to 1/4
But that 1/4 to 3/8 would have been nice too.
Lucky you :)
 

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The Tool Lady web site has a 25% off Father's Day special going on, one can order through the 19th.

thanks for the heads up 66HertzClone. I was waiting for a sale on PB Swiss to pick up a few fill in items to complete my sets. saved me $44 bucks!:thumbup:
 

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My 1/4 -> 3/8 adapter from PB Swiss in the center.
I got their 1/4 -> 1/4 at the home garage, which has shown some small spots of surface rust over the years. Doesn't affect their use, of course.

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66HertzClone

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I put this in the new arrivals thread, but I saw this had popped up so.....

My father's day Tool Lady purchase arrived yesterday, these will round out my P B Swiss screwdriver selection. I really like the feel of the action of the ratcheting screwdriver. The 25% off special made these a great addition.
 

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My 1/4 -> 3/8 adapter from PB Swiss in the center.

I got their 1/4 -> 1/4 at the home garage, which has shown some small spots of surface rust over the years. Doesn't affect their use, of course.



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Nice.
Wish they still made those 1/4 to 3/8 adapters.
 

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I am thrilled with it. I like it better than my hard handled Snap-on.

I like the grip much better then the snap on but I'm not used to the switch yet. Its the opposite direction so I keep getting mixed up.

The snap on is easier to spin against the ratchet so one handed operation is much easier. With the PB I need to hold the shank so the ratchet can work. I was going to lube the gear but can't figure out how to open up the PB, anyone got a clue how to disassemble it?
 

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second is black friday in usa.

However, do look at importing them also, the sales in the usa have more expensive shipping than from the eu and the prices are barely better depending on what you need.
 

PaintNBodyGuy

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I am a total Snap On guy and this is what My experience is. I would not pay for a set of Snappy drivers when I could get a Williams set at a fraction of the price. I did have a #2 Snappy driver standard length it had teeth that were obviously protruding and they seem to fit better than the standard Williams #2 driver which has teeth but they are drop forged not machined more similar to Wera but not quite. To have teeth to not have teeth not here to discuss. But the longer 8" blade #2 Williams is hands down the best fit screwdriver on the market it has no teeth though and I use this screwdriver over the standard length driver because it is so good. If you buy a set of Williams get the just phillips set the #3,#4,#2 stubby also best fit I have ever used and do not have teeth, just the standard length #1 and #2, and both fit terrible compared to the ones with out teeth. OK that being said PB #2 is comparable to the Williams. Here is what I noticed both fit in a screw no slop but the Williams will even bite into the screw a little when you pull it I would describe it as a better than perfect fit. I use the standard length PB over the Williams standard when I need the short length, I am also gonna acquire the #1 standard length from PB to replace my standard length Williams. As well as a 6'' #1 from snap on to avoid the teeth slop I have experienced great idea just not well executed. I have become accustomed to using the longer drivers over standard length when applicable anyhow. All in all I prefer Snappy but I am hella bias because this is my yard and I am sure someone like some have said prefer PB because that is their yard. Lol
 
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suresnoi

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My 0.02$ about PB Swiss tools

Can't comment on durability yet as I have not used them long enough to evaluate that.

Build fit and finish are second to none.
Absolutely love the swissgrip, can't comment on the other styles.

Machining of drivers/bits is excellent, very sharp, very well defined, very consistent.

I find Allen ends to be sharp and good fit, but they don't raise the bar from the (best) competition in terms of fitment.
I measured allen ends with a micke to be generally 0.02 to 0.03 below exact dimension (e.g 3mm allen will typically measure 2.97 to 2.98) which is very good, but not outstandingly tight. I've measured WERA Allens to be above that, granted, we're splitting hair at this point.

I dislike the rainbow colors, I think most colors don't look as good as the gorgeous vibrant swiss RED, some actually look pretty cheap IMO (the yellow comes to mind, as the black inner core is slightly visible through it). I stick with the original handles and I don't think I miss much in terms of size identification (not a pro).

The bits are impressively good.
The bits holder screwdriver is the tightest interference I have seen on a holder, bits have very little freedom to move, and the magnet is the most powerful I've seen too. Once the bit is in there, it feels like a solid driver.
The holding part is also interestingly shallow, so most of the bit is exposed, which can help clear a recessed screw in some case although a solid driver will always be better in that case.

Socket screwdrivers are very nice, the OD is rather oriented to heavy load stuff (slightly big), and the driver end is a little too tapered, that might be a problem on very low profile nuts (no issue whatsoever on normal nuts).

Identifications are laser engraved, and might disappear over time. Same for printed informations on the handles. Might bother some people who wear their tools to the bone, but I don't.

Anyway, superb stuff, and over here (Europe), it's not necessarily *that* much more expensive than other strong brand names that don't come close IMO (like FACOM drivers just to pick an example).

If you don't want to spend money I'd suggest to STAY AWAY from the brand, once you've tried it, you'll want to replace all your bits/drivers. They just look and feel that good.

edit : forgot to mention their metal T handles Allen driver, which are superb. I've seen Beta, Facom, KS Tools, none came close in terms of fit and finish in hands. Sizes 3/4/5/6/8 really come handy.
 
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Glad you like your PB swiss. They are a bit addictive. :)

Regarding hex tolerances. Not sure if it would make a noticeable difference but if yours are 0.03 out then you could in theory exchange them as they would not meet ISO standards.

From the PB Swiss website.

'For every hex key L-wrench, tolerances are guaranteed that are smaller than a human hair. This enables our hex keys to fit perfectly into the corresponding screws. In accordance with the ISO standard, the permissible deviation for a hex key L-wrench of size 1.5 mm is just 0.025 mm. A human hair is significantly thicker, at 0.07 mm. We guarantee that deviation remains below this level even with a 10 mm hex.'
 

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and BTW, does the 8510 R ratcheting screwdriver handle store bits in that small pull-out "tray" like the more expensive handle does?
 

suresnoi

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Glad you like your PB swiss. They are a bit addictive. :)

Regarding hex tolerances. Not sure if it would make a noticeable difference but if yours are 0.03 out then you could in theory exchange them as they would not meet ISO standards.

From the PB Swiss website.

'For every hex key L-wrench, tolerances are guaranteed that are smaller than a human hair. This enables our hex keys to fit perfectly into the corresponding screws. In accordance with the ISO standard, the permissible deviation for a hex key L-wrench of size 1.5 mm is just 0.025 mm. A human hair is significantly thicker, at 0.07 mm. We guarantee that deviation remains below this level even with a 10 mm hex.'

I've found that ISO standard for hex key has a tolerance for each size.
Here's what I've found :
http://www.globalfastener.com/standards/detail_2415.html

If you read carefully PB Swiss text doesn't state that 0.025mm is the tolerance up to 10mm size. It says at 10mm size, tolerance is less than 0.07mm, which it is, according to ISO standard (9.942mm min size for the 10.0mm size). I had to read their text twice to get that, it's actually (purposely ?) misleading.

I don't remember the deviation I've measured on each size on my bit and L keys but they were definitely within the numbers that I see in the link. I think worst case I've measured on mine was X.965 or so (don't recall was X was). Most were above X.97 and around X.98 with a few even above X.99.

ISO tolerance raises to 0.04mm as soon as size 2.0mm then 0.048mm from size 4.0mm then 0.058mm from size 8.0mm, etc. Really not that tight.

Just for good sport I measured some WERA impactor hex bits, they were consistently above X.985, quite impressive. They definitely feel very tight in good quality machine screws. Wera torx and Pozi, on the other hand, don't lock in place like PB Swiss do.

Darn, we really are screwdriver nerds :lol:
 

mr.lemons

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I did read the PB quote a few times as it is a little ambiguous but assumed they were saying that all their hex keys were within .025mm as that would be something to show off about.

Still not 100% sure what they are saying as it would be better (and expected) to simply be within ISO specs rather than 'a human hair.'

Seen a few tests and write ups now saying that PB can be a little undersized compared to other brands.

Any way, good info and interesting table.
 
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Samuel D

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Seen a few tests and write ups now saying that PB can be a little undersized compared to other brands.
My experience has been the opposite. PB Swiss bits are consistently the largest and therefore tightest fitting. Occasionally my other bit brands are similar but not consistently so.
 

ladea

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Any idea where to buy PB Swiss in UK? I bought some from Only Quality Tools but that's no longer an option and Hoffmann Group won't sell to private individuals.

Very good but very overpriced. GO WITH VESSEL.
Vessel maybe the best solution for Philips and JIS but not so much for Torx.
I find my Vessel bits and drivers (torx) are fitting poorly compared to my PB Swiss and Wera's.
 

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Thanks jimf, however I'm looking for UK or at least an EU supplier.
Knighton Tools website looks sketchy at best. I wouldn't risk it, besides the assortment is very limited.
 
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