Pellet stove

[wildstyle]

I purchased a large Enviro Maxx pellet stove to heat my shop (rated at 2700 sq ft at 70,000 btu's) It has a decent blower in it that blows the heat downwards out of the stove.

Am I stupid to think of installing this up on the mezzanine of my shop when it is done? I am trying to keep the floor space all open and putting it up there would get it out of the way and make venting it straight out the back wall super easy.

Garage will be 28x36 inside with 13'6" ceiling height. Mezzanine would be about 7ft off the garage floor.

I will also have two industrial ceiling fans in the shop to help distribute the heat.

 

[Ohmthis]

Have you read the installation manual for the stove you have or are looking to buy? It may have specific details on what you can and can't do with the stove. I don't have an answer other than that or talk to the manufacturer and see what they say. Carrying pellets up some steps would **** though.

 

[wildstyle]

Manual states it can be installed on any solid surface that can bare its weight pretty much.

Packing a few bags of pellets up there really doesn't bother me.

 

[Highbeam]

Look closer, the manual also calls out minimum ceiling height and remember that you need to lift and load these pellets into the top of this rather tall pellet stove.

That Enviro is an awesome and expensive heater.

If you provide 7 feet to the bottom of the mezz then the mezz floor will only be like 5.5' tall. Not very tall at all and pretty much useless except for a storage loft.

 

[wildstyle]

Will have around 6ft of head clearance, it will just be for storage (winter tires and parts)

I am just trying to put this heater somewhere where it will not be in the way of my work benches, hoist or fab area....

 

[theoldwizard1]

Am I stupid to think of installing this up on the mezzanine of my shop when it is done?

Heat rises. No reason for it to rise from a higher starting point.

I will also have two industrial ceiling fans in the shop to help distribute the heat.

They will help, but they won't get the heat down to the floor.

 

[Highbeam]

Right here on page 7

http://enviro.com/custom_content/do...truction Maxx-M Domestic Technical Manual.pdf

You need 84" ceiling height to install the maxx. The heater itself is 42" tall.

 

[Chitown_hillbilly]

Ceiling height aside, you need that stove on the floor or you're going to be buying a lot of pellets for not a lot of heat. Nice Stove by the way.

 

[wildstyle]

That is what i was worried about was getting the heat down. The nice thing is later on with this stove I can buy the distribution kit and add some ducting to help circulate the heat. Guessing I will have to sacrifice the floor space. I have had my eyes on this stove for a while for the new shop. Was just having a hard time parting with the $3500 for it. Luckily I came across a gently used one on a local buy and sell....ended up picking it up for $700 with a bunch of piping. Thanks everyone

 

[Chitown_hillbilly]

ended up picking it up for $700 with a bunch of piping. Thanks everyone

Wow, that's incredible. It's a monster of a Pellet stove. I've got a Drolet Eco-65 in my basement that is plugged into my Ducts for my first floor. We're really happy with heat output, but I'm glad it's in the basement. She's kinda noisy.

 

[Chitown_hillbilly]

By the way... "Are you like a DJ, or something?"

 

[wildstyle]

DJ? Haha no.

Automotive tech...been with FoMoCo for the last 10 years.

 

[tcccac]

i bought two pellet stoves this past week. A Enviro vista flame VF170 for my garage and a Piazzetta P957 for the house. the Enviro will go in the garage floor and i am gladly sacrificing bench space for it. Heat does rise.

i would keep the stove on the first floor. why create more work of having to lug pellets upstairs and ash back down. I love the fact that the pellets get dropped off and pallet jacked 5 feet way from where they get lifted and fed in. Just my two cents.

 

[sourdough]

I am just trying to put this heater somewhere where it will not be in the way of my work benches, hoist or fab area....

How much floor space can a pellet stove take up? 9 sq. ft. including clearances?

 

[wildstyle]

It will be going on the floor.

Just trying to figure out the perfect place to put it without it being in the way.

 

[Highbeam]

How much floor space can a pellet stove take up? 9 sq. ft. including clearances?

Good point. People worried about this should have built bigger shops.

 

[1940_dodge]

Good point. People worried about this should have built bigger shops.

Ahhh, garage elitism...

 

[Chitown_hillbilly]

By the way... "Are you like a DJ, or something?"

DJ? Haha no.

It's a quote from "The Lego Movie". You obviously don't have kids

 

[wildstyle]

Good point. People worried about this should have built bigger shops.

This is what I could afford. Is there an issue with wanting it layed out perfectly without any wasted space?

It's a quote from "The Lego Movie". You obviously don't have kids

Nope. First one is due end of November

 

[ford33]

I am curious about why it is named a "stove". You cannot cook on this stove.

From the pictures on the Enviro website it looks like a fireplace or furnace. They look nice.

 

[wildstyle]

No idea....have always heard of them referred to as pellet stoves...? Seems the manufacturer agrees hehe

 

[TractorJeff]

Seen as the Insurance guy will tell you it has an open flame.
Should you elevate it 18 inches off from the floor to get above the Gasoline vapor level?

 

[tcccac]

Jeff, you are correct. At least here in my city the flame must be 18" above the floor. I will need to put down two rows of cinder blocks. Didn't realize that until speaking with my plumber.

 

[wildstyle]

This one will draw its combustion air from outside

 

[Reg1952]

I have a Maxx that heats my house and love it. Cut my heating cost by 65%. It will cook you out if you let it. Just to let you know even set on low it will burn a bag a day if you run it all the time.

 

[tcccac]

This one will draw its combustion air from outside

not sold on that being the best option. i mean you are pulling in cold air that needs to be reheated. If the garage is extremely air tight it may require that you pull in air from the outside.

i plan on not going that route unless i have to.

 

[Zeke]

not sold on that being the best option. i mean you are pulling in cold air that needs to be reheated. If the garage is extremely air tight it may require that you pull in air from the outside.

i plan on not going that route unless i have to.

Two things come into play on this: if inside air is used for combustion it creates a negative pressure that will pull cold air in anyway. 2ndly, it uses up O2 in the heated area which must be resupplied by make up air, or IOW the same outside air that the 'stove' would be using. Better to use outside air for combustion in a sealed system and let the stove body and ducting heat and reheat the inside air. Efficiency is gained as the shop warms up to where the stove can be run at the lowest setting. The flame doesn't care what temp the combustion air is, it just needs O2.

And thinking about it for a second, cold air is denser and carries more O2. Should balance things out if there was a difference.

 

[tcccac]

Zeke, you make valid points. My info. is based on a conversation i had with my plumber the other day and i now question his logic. I need to do some more research on this. but it would seem that the using a OAK (outside air kit) if possible is the better choice.

 

[Chitown_hillbilly]

Zeke, you make valid points. My info. is based on a conversation i had with my plumber the other day and i now question his logic. I need to do some more research on this. but it would seem that the using a OAK (outside air kit) if possible is the better choice.

Zeke's 100% right. You can think of it as an air pump coming in through the intake and out through the vent (chimney). If your intake is located inside the house, eventually the air being returned outside via the vent has to be replaced by outside air. Maybe not the room your stove is in, but some place is going to be cold and drafty where your house is sucking in cooler air.

 

[DPelletier]

People confuse "outdoor air" which is a fresh air intake into a mixing plenum or 100% outdoor air for a Make-Up Air unit with "combustion air" which is only the air used for combusion.

Trust me, it's always better to use 100% outdoor air for combustion and it makes zero difference as far as the heat output of the appliance goes.

Pellet stoves (yes, that's what they're called ) have advantages and disadvantages like everything else. I've had two and they were pretty good; more economical than most alternatives with a corresponding and offsetting PITA factor for filling and cleaning. Ultimately I installed an electric unit heater (no gas) in my shop but I kept using the pellet stove in the house where I could keep a better eye on it.

Yes, you'll need to put the pellet stove on the floor and not the mezzanine or it won't work properly.


Dave