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holt2ton

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Just your average do it yourself kinda guy...i hate when i try sharpen a pencil and the lead breaks off back inside the body....i do not want the strange carpenters pencils. ..i like to keep one on top of my ear while working....i usually keep a small sharpener in my tool belt.....any suggestions as to which pencils hold up the best??
 
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Don't bend pencils and the lead won't break off inside them. Cheap pencils seem easier to sharpen without breaking off inside but the lead is so hard I can't see what I write.
 

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0.9mm and 1.1mm Mechanical Pencils - Thick lead keeps them from breaking as often.
 

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drafting mechanical pencils - metal, round (well, hexagon) with thick replaceable leads.
regular mechanical pencils are .05 or .07mm leads - drafting start at .2mm and go up to .9mm . the ones my ol man has have thicker leads than that and were sharpened in a special sharpener.. I'll try to find out what they are. Leads are more like the size a conventional pencil diameter is.
 

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Fat kiddy pencils, like those you'd pack off with a kid in 1st grade.

I use them in the shop, one has 10 years and running. They don't break and they do wear well even on rustic wood projects. I'm a shop guy, not in any office stuff so this is good for me.
 

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Don't bend pencils and the lead won't break off inside them. Cheap pencils seem easier to sharpen without breaking off inside but the lead is so hard I can't see what I write.

Some pencils are so junk that you don't have to bend them for the lead to break inside. I've taken them straight out of the pack and tried to sharpen the damn things and go through a whole pencil trying to get a point.



When I'm writing or drawing, I prefer to use a mechanical pencil. When I'm woodworking or constructing, I try to find US made wood pencils. Spend a buck more on pencils and you do get a better pencil.
 

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The quality of pencils has gone way downhill since most of the companies have outsourced to China. Even the quality of the old Dixon Ticonderoga pencils has suffered dramatically since being outsourced to China. If you're looking for a good pencil that's available at a reasonable price, these General Pencil pencils are very good and are still made the old fashioned way in the USA. The lead is positioned in the center of the pencil so they sharpen evenly, the lead doesn't break like the cheap Chinese pencils, and they last a long time too.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00314DBPI/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Not only has the quality of pencils suffered, but the quality of pencil sharpeners isn't what it used to be either. Even with a good pencil, the sharpener can cause the lead to break as well. I've found that this pencil sharpener works very well.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001BYK7LQ/?tag=atomicindus08-20


I guess I've been spoiled. When I was a kid, a cedar pencil and a pencil sharpener would both just work instead of frustrating me and wasting my time. That is certainly not the case these days.
 

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Well, as an ex Draughtsman, albeit of 25 years ago, I may be able to assist!

Firstly, you do need a reasonable quality pencil! Most pencil manufacturers make a range of qualities, and any of the top end will be more than adequate!

If you'd like some names, we're talking Staedtler Mars Lumograph, Faber Castell 9000, Rexel Cumberland Graphic, Caran D'ache Technograph, Tombow Mono and Mitsubishi Hi Uni!

The last 3 are a bit specialised, and probably overkill, but any of the former are fine! I have to say that I use the much cheaper Staedtler Noris in the workshop without problems, but the leads are harder to sharpen!

To sharpen, always use a really sharp knife, rather than a sharpener. That way you cut along the grain of the wood, rather than across. The traditional 'penknife' is perfect, alternatively, so is a decent scalpel!

With a soft lead, say B or softer, just sharpen the lead with the knife! Cut at a shallow angle and slowly (speed comes with practice) and pull the knife as you cut so you are sawing rather than just pushing like a razor! Decent pencil and a little practice and you will be fine! If you are constantly breaking the lead it usually means you are trying to cut at too step an angle, or the knife is blunt!

For finer points with harder leads (say 2H and harder) remove some of the wood first so a little of the lead is sticking out like a propelling pencil, then sharpen using a rotary motion on some really fine sandpaper! Between the grades, use whichever method works!

Alternatively, for more durability, get a proper carpenters pencil. Sharpen to a chisel point by removing a little wood then sharpening on sandpaper to a chisel shape. These work well for carpentry (Unsurprising!) but again you need a decent quality and I see a lot that are not. Here on the U.K. I use Rexel, but I don't know how available these are in the U.S. !
 
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I tend to use mechanical drafting pencils. The cheap Pentel "Sharp" drafting pencils are my go to for pretty much all pencil needs. The 0.9mm is probably the most appropriate for garage/carpentry use.

If that is too fine/fiddly for you, I'd recommend a draftsman's lead holder, e.g.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000YQEFGU/?tag=atomicindus08-20

but that will require periodic sharpening.
 

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drafting mechanical pencils - metal, round (well, hexagon) with thick replaceable leads.
regular mechanical pencils are .05 or .07mm leads - drafting start at .2mm and go up to .9mm . the ones my ol man has have thicker leads than that and were sharpened in a special sharpener.. I'll try to find out what they are. Leads are more like the size a conventional pencil diameter is.

probably 2mm "lead holders." They're not expensive nor are the sharpeners unless you get really fancy ones. see my previous post.
 
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If any of you happen to be woodturners, these are awesome kits. A 5.6mm diameter lead and a sharpener built into the back cap. I haveade a few of these for people and everyone loves them. My dad uses his all day. Leads can be bought from craft supply stores or on amazon and aren't too expensive. They are really nice! Not associated with them, just a happy user.
http://www.pennstateind.com/store/PKSPCL.html
 

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The best pencil is a free one. When they start breaking off I know they've been stepped on and I toss them. I keep a battery powered sharpener in my bucket and I have another that goes in the cordless drill. Sharpen about 10 in 30 seconds and go to work.
 

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drafting mechanical pencils - metal, round (well, hexagon) with thick replaceable leads.
regular mechanical pencils are .05 or .07mm leads - drafting start at .2mm and go up to .9mm . the ones my ol man has have thicker leads than that and were sharpened in a special sharpener.. I'll try to find out what they are. Leads are more like the size a conventional pencil diameter is.

That's what I use. I still have a handful of them (Dietzgen, etc). I have a couple of the rotating sharpeners to put a point on them.
 

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...If you'd like some names, we're talking Staedtler Mars Lumograph, Faber Castell 9000, Rexel Cumberland Graphic, Caran D'ache Technograph, Tombow Mono and Mitsubishi Hi Uni!

+1 to these. The czech made "Hardtmuth Koh-i-noor", or the german made "Schwan-stabilo" are also great pencils...when it comes to mechanical pencil i prefer the swiss made Caran´d´Ache Fixpencils.
 
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Staedtler Mars Lumograph, Faber Castell 9000
Both of these are great and both should be available, or a very close copy in the US. Additionally, the Staedtler Mars Micro. My personal favorite is the Sanford Technician II but that might be too much plastic for some and aren't commonly available anymore.
This is almost universally recognized by all serious pencil users as the best general use pencil in the world:

http://pencils.com/blackwing/
These are probably the best wood pencils you can get in large quantity though they are for fancy pants writers to carry around so they can be seen having one. Definitely the hipster of pencils at this point. Good quality, but not much better than Ticonderogas in most people's real world usage. Plus, they changed the Blackwing, it's not the same as the original. Some nit picky uprising happened on the internet a few years back and then subsided since it wasn't really that big of a deal anyway.
Dixon Ticonderoga
one of the best 'cheap' pencils you can get. a good all around.
 

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Interesting thread. I have an electric Mr. Sharpie (in fact two of them) and they do a great job of sharpening pencils to write on paper with. For more specialized situations I guess they won't work.
 

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Fat kiddy pencils, like those you'd pack off with a kid in 1st grade.

I use them in the shop, one has 10 years and running. They don't break and they do wear well even on rustic wood projects. I'm a shop guy, not in any office stuff so this is good for me.

I agree, best of both worlds for construction. They are durable and can be sharpened to a fine point like a regular pencil.
I get them off the bay, and last year Lowes started carrying them.
I use Carpenter pencils but only when doing formwork or rough layout on concrete.
 

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For unknown reasons, pencils are absorbed into my work spaces leaving no trace. Every year right before school opens all the office supply places have penny sales where you can get a box of adequate pencils for a penny or $.09 or something ridiculous. So i get a few boxes and over the next year they all disappear. Rinse and repeat. When I felt extravagant, BEROL Black Warrior pencils were pretty good. Haven't bought any in a while so they, like most others, may now be junk.
 

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Your problem is solved, just buy a kit and make one. This pencil uses 5.6mm lead, if you break it you need serious help LOL. I make pens and pencils and found this kit a while back, I use it quite a bit out in the shop, and the lead is darker so its generally easier to see than some of the other wood pencils out there.

Its called a Wood Worker's Pencil or a Shop Pencil depending on where you buy the kit from.



 

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normally im either sharpie, fine sharpy, carbide scribe or pen. yes i said pen. the standard parkers seem to be able to leave a nice Visible line an most materials. My workspace is not always optimal for light and I can always see then pen. Of course i still use pencil wen it comes to finish carpentry where there is a chance of bleed through.

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the pen.is mightier
 
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