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Pennsylvania getting another garage

railroadjim

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Hi all,
I've lurked on here a few times over the years, and now finally joined.

I'm a car / motorcycle guy who has been accumulating stuff for a big detached garage. Unfortunately, that means that the two car garage on our house is JAMMED with stuff, only leaving functional room for my motorcycle and tractor.

The good news is that I have a building permit for a 26'(w)x46'(d)x12'(h) pole building garage. The bad news is that I've had this permit since 2009, and haven't been able to build the thing since I was unemployed for ten months with the house on the market, and all that other fun stuff. But, I got a local job and the garage project is back on. I wanted to go three cars wide, but due to zoning regulations (side-lot setback), I gave up some width but increased the depth. I should be able to fit in four cars and still have some room to work.

I had some quotes done in 2009, but need to redo the whole process. I'm using Google SketchUp to draw the garage so I have something to send out when I get quotes.

Being a car guy, I will eventually put in a lift, so that's why I'm going with 12' ceilings. I don't want any additional storage, or a second floor, but I do want a functional lift area, so I guess I need 12' ceilings, unless you guys have a better idea.

I'm planning to have a single, large (20') wide garage door in front, a human entry door on the left side by the front, and a smaller garage door on the left side by the rear to get the tractor in and out. I'm still debating if I want any windows or not. If I do, they'd only be on the left side of the garage, away from everyone else.

I plan to have the pole building finished with metal roofing, and the side walls will be Tyvek covered OSB and vinyl siding. (I'm thinking of doing the siding myself.) I want it to be insulated, but I'm not sure how much I'll have the builder do. I think they can do some sort of initial covering under the roof and I'll probably do the rest.

My lot is rather flat, but there will still be some site excavation that needs to be done. There's probably about 2' of rise from the front to the rear, and again, I'm not sure if I should rent equipment or have the pole building people do it. From my quotes back in 2009, it seems to be rather expensive to have them do it. I do plan on trenching for the electricity myself and plan to start that soon.

I'd like to plumb water to the garage, but I think it would be a real pain to get it out there, since I'd likely have to drill through my house's concrete basement wall to get the job done, and I've never done that before. I can route the electricity above the concrete walls, but my understanding is that water piping should be well below ground at all places in the run. Plus, the garage won't be heated at all times, so I'd have to worry about freeze ups too.

Anyways, I'll probably post up in the general forum some specific questions that I have, but feel free to share you input with me here. I'd also appreciate any input about specific Pole Building builders in Eastern Pennsylvania.

Jim
 
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Wingnut65

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Welcome to GJ, Jim. Be careful how much you browse around here... The more you surf, the more your plans will change from what you have now. But your garage will be better than what you are planning now...

Good Luck on your build.
 

malibu101

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Welcome neighbor! Sounds like you have some great plans ahead!
Whereabouts in eastern PA are ya? I'm near the Lehigh Valley about an hour northwest of Philly.
On the water- When I ran electric to the garage I thought about taking water out too, knowing that I'd have to drain it for the unheated winters. Plus with the compressor in the garge reverse blowing it would be easy. Anyway, I didn't.
Now instead of just running a short hose around the garage to wash cars I now have to pull out a 75' and a 50'. Not to mention the pleasure of a quick hand washing without walking back to the house.
My opinion- if I had to do it over again (dig the trench) I'd take water even if only for use during the summer months.
 
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railroadjim

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Welcome neighbor! Sounds like you have some great plans ahead!
Whereabouts in eastern PA are ya? I'm near the Lehigh Valley about an hour northwest of Philly.
On the water- When I ran electric to the garage I thought about taking water out too, knowing that I'd have to drain it for the unheated winters. Plus with the compressor in the garge reverse blowing it would be easy. Anyway, I didn't.
Now instead of just running a short hose around the garage to wash cars I now have to pull out a 75' and a 50'. Not to mention the pleasure of a quick hand washing without walking back to the house.
My opinion- if I had to do it over again (dig the trench) I'd take water even if only for use during the summer months.

Hey Malibu,

I'm just south of the Lehigh Valley area, in the Upper Perkiomen Valley. I'm about ten minutes South of Emmaus, so not too far from you.

Interesting observation about the water. I'm just not sure if I should do it or not. I read that the newer plastic piping is more tolerable of freezes, but I'd still have to blow it out in the winter. It's the "drilling though the poured concrete wall" part that has me spooked. I really don't want to screw with those walls if I can help it. Unless, I could just run the water line above the concrete wall like the electricity, since I'd have to blow the lines out anyways.....

Did you get your garage built, or did you do the work yourself? (I don't have the time, or equipment, or friends that I'd need to built it myself....)

Jim
 
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Matt M PA

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In the Perkiomen Valley? We lived in Pennsburg for awhile, and we still have family in Perkiomenville and Lansdale.

Me? I'm just outside NE Philly near Newtown.

Welcome...just beware....the guys (and girls) here are enablers!
 

Neuswede

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Hi Jim:

Just another enabler here...South of you in Lebanon County.

My best advice is if you are thinking about it (water, etc.), then do it. Trenching equipment is cheap enough, good excavators are available, and their knowledge is better than gold. Thus far, my build has been flawless, because I bit the bullet and brought in some great guys, and who are very reasonable.

For the water, I had the same issue...drilling a foundation wall for the waste line (garage will have a bathroom and shower) and water line. I chose to use PEX with insulation, run through a 3 inch PVC pipe. I set it well below the frost line, as should you. Should be no issues with having to drain it, except maybe in the coldest spells we sometimes get around here.

For the lift, take your height (or the max. operating height of the lift, plus the tallest vehicle you might work on (measured at the lifting points) and if it clears under 12', you're good. More height may be required depending on what you are working on. 12' will do everything I need it to do, but your results may vary.

My build philosophy is that this one is the last move and the only build left in my lifetime. I'm only going to do it once, do it right and build with my future needs in mind. Develop your own and let it guide your decision making process.

Good luck!

Marc
 
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railroadjim

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Good to hear from some fellow Pennsylvanians. :)

Thanks for the input guys. I can't say that I really need water in the garage. Actually, part of me would rather not have it, since I've seen how bad water damage can be.... The existing hose outlet on the house will only be about 25' away from the front of the detached garage, so it should be too bad to run a hose if I need it.

Marc, thanks for the tips about roof height. I think that 12' should be plenty for me. Although I don't really want storage up there, part of me thinks it will be a waste to just have all of that left as open space.
 

Neuswede

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Good to hear from some fellow Pennsylvanians. :)

Thanks for the input guys. I can't say that I really need water in the garage. Actually, part of me would rather not have it, since I've seen how bad water damage can be.... The existing hose outlet on the house will only be about 25' away from the front of the detached garage, so it should be too bad to run a hose if I need it.

Marc, thanks for the tips about roof height. I think that 12' should be plenty for me. Although I don't really want storage up there, part of me thinks it will be a waste to just have all of that left as open space.

Jim:

You're welcome. Good luck in your planning process. Please let me know if you need any guidance or help.

Marc
 
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