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Looking to replace my chuck on a Perles XS2100
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Will keyless chuck work on a hammer drill? That is what I have on my cordless Dewalt and it seems to work ok.
The one that I have now is slipping and the key wants to walk out. This drill was given to me over 20+ years ago. It works great other than whatever drill bit will slip both in spinning and moving into the chuck.
Also, not 100% sure if the key is even the right one.
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What specs should I be looking for to replace it?

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I tried taking a picture and blowing it up, but the engraving is just too worn. Looks like 3/8" 2x UNT

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You need a 3/8-24 replacement chuck, made for percussion drilling.
There are keyless chucks made for this.
Rohm and Metabo are the two main European manufacturers of this tyoe of keyless drill chuck.
Yukiwa Seiko is the major Japanese manufacturer of this type of chuck.
Jacobs used to be the main US manufacturer, but Zi’m not dure were the chucks are made now, or if they’re any good anymore.
With keyless chucks you have to be careful, since they come in different models that might be made or not made for percussion drilling.
Also,
Good keyless chucks gor hand held drills are a more recent thing, so older stock of early designs are still around, and some of the early designs didn’t work as well.
The other issue is most 3/8-24 drill chucks will only be made to hold 3/8”(10mm) max shank size drill bits.
There are some chucks with a 3/8-24 threaded arbor that are made for 13mm(1/2”) drill bits, but they’re sort of hard to find.
You will also likely need a “double sleeve” keyless chuck, unless that drill has an arbor lock for when the drill isn’t running, otherwise you’ll have no way to tighten the drill chuck.
Some drill chucks also have either a metal sleeve or a rubberized or plastic outer dleeve for tightening the chuck.
I prefer metal, but some people like plastic.

Rohm/Roehm of Germany makes a metal sleeved, double sleeve chuck, with a 3/8-24 mount, and 13mm chuck capacity, model# 1328314, that should work.
Also a model# 1328315 with a double plastic sleeve and 13mm capacity, and model# 1328322 with a double plastic dleeve, and a 10mm capacity.
These chucks are from Rohm’s “Extra80-RV” series of chucks.

Rohm also makes a “Supra SK” series keyless chuck, model# 249910 with a 3/8-24 threaded mount, and a 10mm capacity.
The Supra SK chucks are mostly machined solid steel, and have a higher concentricity , but the chucks are also heavier in weight.

Metabo is another drill chuck manufacturer from Germany.
They make similar lighter weight drill chucks to the Rohm Extra80-RV chucks, but I can’t find sny on their website with a 3/8-24 mount for a percussion drill, I presume they may have manufactured them in the past though.
They also make heavier machined drill chicks similar to the Rojm Supra-SK chucks.
The Metabo chucks are branded “Futuro Top”.
There are two 3/8-24 mount drill chucks from the Metabo Futuro Top line that should work.
Model# 636215000 with a 1/32”-3/8” clamping capacity.
And Model# 636225000 with a 1/32”-1/2” clamping capacity.

The Futuro-Top and Supra-SK drill chucks will need thread-locker to be mounted, since neither design is made to be able to use a threaded locking screw.
The other Rohm chucks should use a locking screw.

I didn’t look up Yukiwa Seiko, because ai find their website annoying.

Milwaukee used to rebrand the Yukiwa keyless chucks for the drills and oarts they sold in the USA( not the models sold in Europe) so you might be able to find an older Milwaukee chuck that will work.
Bosch rebranded either the Lighter Metabo or Rohm chucks as well( both look nearly identical, and one company may manufacture both)
Other Euro tool manufacturers likely rebranded the chucks as well.
Just check the model numbers before buying, cut and paste wasn’t working for me.
 
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First, thank you @neophyte. Your response was great. The big thing I need was the 3/8 x 24 thread. Between that and "right-handed" at least gets me the chucks that will "mechanically" connect. The heads up on the 13mm(1/2) vs the more standard 3/8" capacity is appreciated also. Thank you so much for the time you had to have spent on that reply.

My next question I don't think you can help, "how much do I spend on a 20+-year-old drill, that with my luck, as soon as I put the new chuck on the drill motor will die. :lol_hitti
 

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Depends on how much you use the drill. I have several 20+ year old drills, but I am not drilling dozens of holes a day with them, so I don't expect general failures, more like the grease drying out.

You can always salvage the chuck for your next drill.
 
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You can always salvage the chuck for your next drill.

I thought of that. Just that I haven't needed one in all my life. It's a good way to help me justify it to myself. :)


I pulled the trigger on a Rohm 666574 Key-Type Drill Chuck. I was scrolling through "other vendors" on Amazon and found this "used" one for $15. Going under the assumption "if it too good to be true, then it probably is"...

I just paid $15 to figure out what the catch is. :lol_hitti


I expect to get a message telling me that they can't fulfill the order. Oh, and BTW, it was with Prime Shipping deal.
Since I don't speak Spanish, the fine print probably says, "just an empty box"


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First, thank you @neophyte. Your response was great. The big thing I need was the 3/8 x 24 thread. Between that and "right-handed" at least gets me the chucks that will "mechanically" connect. The heads up on the 13mm(1/2) vs the more standard 3/8" capacity is appreciated also. Thank you so much for the time you had to have spent on that reply.

My next question I don't think you can help, "how much do I spend on a 20+-year-old drill, that with my luck, as soon as I put the new chuck on the drill motor will die. :lol_hitti

I thought of that. Just that I haven't needed one in all my life. It's a good way to help me justify it to myself. :)


I pulled the trigger on a Rohm 666574 Key-Type Drill Chuck. I was scrolling through "other vendors" on Amazon and found this "used" one for $15. Going under the assumption "if it too good to be true, then it probably is"...

I just paid $15 to figure out what the catch is. :lol_hitti


I expect to get a message telling me that they can't fulfill the order. Oh, and BTW, it was with Prime Shipping deal.
Since I don't speak Spanish, the fine print probably says, "just an empty box"


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Most corded drills seem to be made in China now, and the quality may not be what it used to be.
Metabo still makes some drills in Germany, as does Fein.
Makita may still make some of there corded drills in Japan.
I think Hilti shifted their production to China to a factory shared with Panasonic, although the quality is supposedly still good.
If the Perles drill has lasted till now, it was probably very well made, and might be worth overhauling rather that replacing if anything goes wrong.

As far as the chuck goes,
Better Fein drills usually come with the Rohm Supra SK chucks, but the drills can cost $300-$400 a piece.
The better Metabo hammer drills come with the Futuro Top chucks.
The chucks like the Rohm Extra80-RV chucks are standard in many cases on “professional” drills from Europe, like Milwaukee and Bosch.
Milwaukee used to, and may still use Yukowa chucks, and least for the past several decades.
Replacement cost for the Milwaukee keyless chucks has always been 40%-50% of the cost of the drills from what I recall.

As for chucks, you can always remove them and use them on other drills, or sell them to someone on Ebay, as has been mentioned above.

Perles was supposedly the company that did the manufacturing on the “Swiss Made” Elu tools, and Elu was considered one of Europes top power hand tool manufacturers.
The manufacturer is still around as Hidria Perles, and may still manufacture tools for Black & Decker/Dewalt, who purchased Elu and rebranded a bunch of the tools to Dewalt( like the DW625 plunge router)


As far as keyed chucks go,
Metabo or Jacobs or Yukiwa or Rohm are probably fine.
Most people probably want keyless chucks, so the keyed chucks can toutinely be found at decent prices.
As far as I’m aware, no power hand tool manufacturer uses ball bearing keyed chucks as standard on their hand tools, and that would be the step up in quality.
I think Rohm is the most readily available 3/8-24 chuck with a 1/2” capacity at the moment.
 
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Wow, it shipped. I can't wait to see what it actually looks like.
There still has to be a catch.

Although it has progressed more than I thought it would. I really expected to see a notice that they made a mistake.
 
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Depends on how much you use the drill. I have several 20+ year old drills, but I am not drilling dozens of holes a day with them, so I don't expect general failures, more like the grease drying out.

You can always salvage the chuck for your next drill.

RTM you got me thinking and while I was waiting on the chuck, I thought I would refresh the grease. When I took the gearbox apart the grease was clean and not too dry, but I went ahead and refreshed it. Since the grease was clean, I did not use a solvent, just wiped with a rag and used air to clean out the bearings. I was impressed at the machining. There was only one brass bearing and the tolerances were so good, you had to be really square to slide a shaft into the bearings. For documentations here are some before and after pictures.

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UPS delivered the chuck last night. Looks really good. For being used, it is hard to see where and add that it was only $15, so far I am pleased. Looks like a little rust pitting along the sleeve's side. But the body doesn't have a scratch. It makes me wonder if it was not protected enough and rusted either in shipment and/or sitting on the shelf. The packaging looked original.

Anyway, the proof in the pudding will come with a test. That might be a few days from now till I get outside. Till then ...

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This picture is off of the Rohm website.
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UPS delivered the chuck last night. Looks really good. For being used, it is hard to see where and add that it was only $15, so far I am pleased. Looks like a little rust pitting along the sleeve's side. But the body doesn't have a scratch. It makes me wonder if it was not protected enough and rusted either in shipment and/or sitting on the shelf. The packaging looked original.

Anyway, the proof in the pudding will come with a test. That might be a few days from now till I get outside. Till then ...

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This picture is off of the Rohm website.
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Nice looking chuck.
Most Keyed Rohm chucks have a cross hatched knurled outside with a black finish.
That looks similar to the outer sleeve design Jacobs used to use.
 
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Nice looking chuck.
Most Keyed Rohm chucks have a cross hatched knurled outside with a black finish.
That looks similar to the outer sleeve design Jacobs used to use.

Real happy for the money I paid. While I was piddling with it, I did replace the cord and grommet. Also, opt for a new chuck holder. So much for electrical tape. :)


Final product.
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Real happy for the money I paid. While I was piddling with it, I did replace the cord and grommet. Also, opt for a new chuck holder. So much for electrical tape. :)


Final product.
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Think your link is bad, try to take out the s of https, but dang that's a long link
 
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Think your link is bad, try to take out the s of https, but dang that's a long link

Just tried to fix it, you can PM me if it is still not working. I have it on google photos and sometimes I copy the link that is not in the shared folder.
 
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