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Permatex RTV Questions

iiibdsiil

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So what's the proper way to use RTV? How long should you let it sit before you put the two pieces together? How long should you let it cure before you fire up the engine? Is there any science behind it?

How clean does the surface need to be? What do you recommend cleaning it with? I'm assuming brakekleen would work fine, but who knows, maybe it leaves a residue or something.

Thanks in advance guys!
 
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yamaha

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Do not let RTV "skin over".
Maximum working time of RTV is 10 minutes. Parts should be assembled within
preferably 5 minutes. The assembly being worked may be filled with coolant or oil immediatlely after applying the sealant and torquing the bolts.
The sealant will be fully cured in 24 hours.
I have ran engines (if that is what your using the RTV on) hundreds of times within an hour of assembly. No probs,great stuff :beer:
Hope this is usefull info.
 

yamaha

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Oh ya, use a alcohol type of cleaner. Methal hydrate. This will ensure proper bond of RTV to surfaces.
Use a razor blade to clean the surfaces .
NEVER use a aluminum oxide type sanding disc or paer to clean surfaces, this abrasive material is fine enough for an engine oil filter not able to trap and will cause bearing damage.
 
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gerry

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RTV scares me! I've seen industrial engines destroyed because of overzealous RTV use. The stuff forms little beads and gets in the oil system. Another bad point is that it gives off aceatic acid as it cures. If you use it in an enclosed area, like I did to seal up the side mounted dizzy on a Triumph motorcycle, the acid fumes get trapped in the enclosed are and rust everything up solid. Ruined a set of points and the centrifugal advance unit like this once. If you use RTV, be careful how you use it.
 

ranger_dood

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If you read the tube of RTV, it will state the usage directions. What's been said already is true, though...

You must mate the parts within 10 minutes, but the sooner the better. Fully cured in 24 hours... I'm usually just able to rub the old stuff off, but it depends on the surface you're working with.
 

Roadster

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yamaha knows his stuff. I will add a few comments for additional info.

First, RTV stands for Room Temperature Vulcanizing. It cures when exposed to air, and it cures fastest at room temperature (i.e., 72 deg F). The colder the environment, the longer it will take to cure.

Second, RTV compounds come in many different colors. High temperature resistant compounds are most likely red due to the addition of iron oxide. Other colors (black, white, blue, or translucent) do not indicate any brand or physical charactertics.

Third, sealing surfaces of the mating parts must be cleaned with a chlorinated solvent, such as carbuerator spray cleaner, brake cleaner, or alcohol. (Do not use petroleum-based cleaners such as mineral spirits, because they leave a film onto which the RTV will not stick!) Cleanliness of mating parts is very important. All materials (nylon, sheet metal, cast iron, and aluminum) are equally susceptible to leaks if the surface has grease and oil contaminants. Surfaces must be kept as clean as possible when assembling with RTV.

Fourth, during application, RTV often requires (depending on the brand) an initial cure time of 15 minutes after the bolts are torqued to allow for the RTV material to skin over. (Never let the material skin over before joining the mating parts.) In an automotive engine application, follow-up the installation with an engine warm-up of 15 minutes. During this 15-minute run, the parts should be inspected for leaks. This should be followed by a shut-down of approximately 45 minutes, called a soak, before the engine is operated under normal conditions. The initial skin-over allows for a set of the RTV to prevent liquid lubrication systems from leaking, and the warm-up provides heat in order to accelerate the curing process. The 45-minute soak period allows a thicker skin build-up in areas of excess RTV bead thickness and further reduces the chance of any of the excess falling off. The longer the soak, the better, and overnight curing is recommended when possible.
 
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