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I have seen extended discussions of copper vs black pipe vs RapidAir lines.

Why wouldn't PEX be a viable alternative? I don't know the first thing about PEX, but it seems to be a much less $ alternative than copper or pipe.

Why wouldn't it be as good or better than RapidAir? Certainly, it seems less expensive and only it costs $28 per 100 feet. :see:
 
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I have seen extended discussions of copper vs black pipe vs RapidAir lines.

Why wouldn't PEX be a viable alternative?

Pex has also been discussed a lot but having only three letters it does not play well with the native search function here. Try using Google to search the Garage Journal site instead. I would start with [pex air site: garagejournal.com] without the brackets as a start.
 
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Pex has also been discussed a lot but having only three letters it does not play well with the native search function here. Try using Google to search the Garage Journal site instead. I would start with [pex air site: garagejournal.com] without the brackets as a start.

Thanks:beer: DP instead
 

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I checked into using regular pex for air about 8 years ago. At that time, one of the manufacturers said it's not approved for compressed air because it's never been officially tested for compressed air and it's never been tested for compressed air because that's not it's intended purpose.

That was then, this is now. Maybe there's something different available today. It's definitely worth checking into. And don't take anyone's word for it just because it seems like they know what they're talking about. There's lots of shadetree "experts" out there that may give you bad (or dangerous) advice and some of those experts are on this forum.

I wouldn't use it unless I saw documentation from the manufacturer or it was printed on the tubing. You might also check OSHA's website to see what they think.

Keep us posted if you find out anything.
 

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OP: Let us know what you find out. I'm in the same boat you are; leaning to black pipe. If you run into a page or web site with pictures of PEX air lines that have blown up, please by all means share them with us.
 

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I have seen extended discussions of copper vs black pipe vs RapidAir lines.

Why wouldn't PEX be a viable alternative? I don't know the first thing about PEX, but it seems to be a much less $ alternative than copper or pipe.

Why wouldn't it be as good or better than RapidAir? Certainly, it seems less expensive and only it costs $28 per 100 feet. :see:

I have put in a piece of PEX within a few feet of the compressor im my compressor room to try it out before I go all out in my shop.

The only thing I dislike is that IT IS NOT UV STABLE.. and the way I understand it is that as long as you keep it out of DIRECT SUNLIGHT and direct view of florescent lights you should be ok for quite a few years.... Once it turn cloudy, or brittle, the pex will is breaking down.. I guess that will be the time I will need to start replacing it them.. I understand that pex will not explode, and you will just get a split of tear in the line when it fails and you will have spewing out.

Here are a few pictures of what I am testing out using the standard pex fittings and brass compression fittings with a spare compression ring just floating loose on each end of the pipe just incase I have a leak at the fitting. The section I installed to the outside home made manifold is 1/2 pex with some galv. pipe to firm up the end at the quick disconnects. Later I will be installing 1" pex lines completely around my shop with 3/4" pex drops and in some areas I will be using 1/2 inch. All pressurized lines will be Blue and all drain lines will be Red pex. That is if I am satisfied with the test piece I have installed.

P. S. Check out the pictures below and Please excuse my mess as I am still in the progress of completing the install and construction on my compressor room trying to reduce the noise in and around my shop.

I wish you luck!
 

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PEX AL PEX I believe is stable for air. As for uv tolerant they do make PEX rated for outdoor but I am not sure if it is in the PEX AL PEX form.
The major issue with PEX is that (just like a rubber hose) it does not dissipate heat like metal pipe.
 

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This is one of those things that we really do not have enough information to answer. I am not sure, but I think the truck airlines are UV stable. That may be a better bet, because it does carry an air pressure rating, the fittings are easier to take apart and reinstall as well.
 

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They say that it has excellent UV stabilization and is abrasion resistant. Plus it comes in green and that is all that really matter. Of course having 1" diameter would be nice too, but ¾" is pretty good. I would say that if you made a decent after cooler you could use this and have a very nice air system as long as you don't grind too close to it!
 

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This is one of those things that we really do not have enough information to answer. I am not sure, but I think the truck airlines are UV stable. That may be a better bet, because it does carry an air pressure rating, the fittings are easier to take apart and reinstall as well.

Truck air lines are nylon.

Truck air lines are great for ease of installation, BUT every truck I have had including this new 2015 International I got a few months ago and the previews Volvo's have been plagued with air leaks at the fittings and I have never been able to get rid of them and they keep coming back. I loose about half of my air pressure in about 4 to 6 hours. I hate the push on fitting like the plague!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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I have used the truck air lines for some of my shop air. Some of the push on fittings don't work too well when subject to vibration. I've never had any trouble with the ferrule type fittings. I would recommend having an aftercooler somewhere near or on your compressor to get the air temperature down as cool as possible. This will minimize the condensation in the air lines, and also keep the air at a safe operating temp for the air lines. You cannot get them too hot. I saw a guy try to use the truck air lines plumbed between the compressor pump and air tank. It lasted about 10 minutes before it melted. My compressor measured 350F+ at the outlet of the compressor pump. After my aftercooler it measured about 10F above ambient.
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Truck air lines are great for ease of installation, BUT every truck I have had including this new 2015 International I got a few months ago and the previews Volvo's have been plagued with air leaks at the fittings and I have never been able to get rid of them and they keep coming back. I loose about half of my air pressure in about 4 to 6 hours. I hate the push on fitting like the plague!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Our motorhome has lots of the apparent industry standard push-on fittings. I'm on a forum for similar motorhomes and one of the first tasks after buying one is to go through the motorhome and replace all the push-on fittings with "DOT compression fittings" (that use the feral referenced above). Our M/H was 15 years old when we bought it last year and many of been replaced, and I've replaced some more. What I do not understand is that manufacturers like that of your Volvo continue to use these second class fittings on a vehicle. Sure the DOT compression fittings are more expensive and labor intensive, but the results are so much better!
 

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I have used a 3/4 red PEX line from my shed to garage Hose reel approx 20 ft. now going on 7 yrs, Installed in attic no UV exposure. No problems, No leaks, no nothing. Plenty of air
i think it's rated for 150 psi water. So if air pressure is less @ 100 psi then what's the problem,,.
Used only for airing up tires.

In my shop I use 1/2 PEX to connect my copper air lines to hose reels. Due to angles Again no problems.
 

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I just ran air in my garage in 1/2" PEX surface mounted...2 drops and one hose reel mounted on the ceiling. Easy, inexpensive, no leaks so far carrying 100 PSI. I'll check back in after 5 or 7 years and report :D:D:D
 

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I just ran air in my garage in 1/2" PEX surface mounted...2 drops and one hose reel mounted on the ceiling. Easy, inexpensive, no leaks so far carrying 100 PSI. I'll check back in after 5 or 7 years and report :D:D:D

You'll have no problems.
 
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Just don't run it near your welding and cutting stations.

LOL. A few years back I accidentally speared a hole into a coil air hose hanging behind the bench with the still nearly glowing tip of a TIG welding rod.

Oops. Thankfully it was inches from the end, so I just shortened the hose.
 

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I too ran pex earlier this year and report zero issues. In past garages, I've ran black pipe, copper and I am a huge pex fan now. Its endless in the configurations you can do, flexible, great assortment of fittings, and its super cheap.
-zero regrets!
 

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We have hundreds of feet of 1" PEX used as airlines in our plant, OSHA has no problem with it.

I wonder if it is ignorance or if it is really OK? I would think that if it is not rated for air pressure and they know about it, they would start writing it up.
 

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We have hundreds of feet of 1" PEX used as airlines in our plant, OSHA has no problem with it.
I don't think that's really something osha would look at. It's really more of a code issue that would fall to the insurance or plumbing inspector, isn't it?
 

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the difference between 100psi of air and 100psi of water?

air compresses and water not so much

100psi of compressed air stores more energy than 100psi of 'compressed' water


break an airline with 100psi of air and a water line with 100psi of water.


good luck
 

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I don't think that's really something osha would look at.


I agree, unless there was a problem.

I was an industrial manager for 37 years and never saw OSHA do a "Let's look around and see what we find wrong" type inspection. In my experience, they usually have something specific to look at and it's triggered by a complaint or accident.

Do a little searching on the OSHA website and you'll find their policy on pvc for compressed air and some accident information. The pvc was probably in use for a long time, until it failed and the injuries got their attention. I'm guessing PEX will be the same way.
 

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The other issue is that no manufacturer (to my knowledge) has studied the affects of the oil in the compressed air on the PEX tubing.

Why take the risk with your safety to save a few dollars?

RapidAir is specially formulated to withstand the temperature and pressure swings of compressed air. It won’t blow up in your face like PVC does. If you want to use a flexible pipe system then use RapidAir or an equivalent. Save your eyesight and other bodily parts from harm- or someone else’s body parts if you don’t care about your own.

As an alternative, go to a compressed air distributor and buy aluminum piping. It is every bit as good as copper, uses compression fittings that some manufactures warranty to be leak-free for 10-years, and is very easy to install versus hanging and threading (relatively) heavy iron pipe, or sweating copper. The aluminum doesn’t corrode, either.

I can buy a 16-foot stick of Infiniti 20 mm (~3/4- inch) aluminum pipe for $33. A metal 90-degree elbow union costs $19, and a metal equal tee costs $27. (RapidAir fittings are nylon and are about half the cost.) Yes, the fittings are expensive, but again they don’t leak, install using an adjustable wrench, and can be reused if you need to make a change. The average garage install won’t cost that much, and let’s not forget the time saved by not soldering or threading pipe or repairing leaks.

Do a search for these brands for more information:

Infiniti (industrial, uses all metal fittings)
RapidAir FastPipe (consumer grade)
Transair (industrial, uses plastic fittings)
Airnet (industrial, plastic fittings)
 

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I went with black iron, I ended up spending way more money than I ever thought that I would. I am going to have to add to it and redo parts of it when I reconfigure my shop. I had to have help setting things up and it took a while to cut and thread. I am now thinking that the rapid air is the way to go. I wish I had just spent more time thinking about labor time and all the little fittings that I needed.
 

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The difference is that the air line has quite a bit more potential energy stored up in it.

I imagine its the same amount of potential energy that is released when your rubber hose bursts which happen all the time in our shop. Usually where the hose bends at the fitting.
 

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I believe the wall thickness of 1" pex is almost 1/8"

It's going to hold a lot of PSI.
 

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The other issue is that no manufacturer (to my knowledge) has studied the affects of the oil in the compressed air on the PEX tubing.

Why take the risk with your safety to save a few dollars?

There is ZERO risk.

PEX is very soft, and it won't shatter. If it failed (and the only failure I saw was a line that ended up with superheated steam in a boiler application - and it was a tear). I am not a FEA expert, but have used PEX for years in plumbing and hydronic heating applications and I have never seen a failure that would worry me. From an amateur point of view, copper is scarier.

No need to use PEX AL PEX as the reason it is used is to prevent oxygen permeation for systems that have cast iron boilers.
 

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a rubber hose is elastic and will absorb some of the energy and will not be as violent as a catastrophic failure in a material that is less elastic.

potential energy and the amount of time it takes to expend that energy along with the number of pieces of shrapnel will help you calculate the degree of injury
 

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The auto repair shop I work at still has all its original pex air line that was put in when built in 1998 with no issues. I installed pex in my home shop two years ago.
 

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a rubber hose is elastic and will absorb some of the energy and will not be as violent as a catastrophic failure in a material that is less elastic.

potential energy and the amount of time it takes to expend that energy along with the number of pieces of shrapnel will help you calculate the degree of injury
Pex is very elastic in comparison to pvc, copper, or black pipe. I have seen it rupture under air pressure on a line that was in direct sun for a few years, it held 150psi for more than 3 years if I recall properly.

It split and did not shatter. It may not be the best airline but i don't believe it's s safety risk like pvc.
 
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