im at 75/10. lucky to get 50/2.
Phone/Ethernet jacks
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im at 75/10. lucky to get 50/2.
wyliesdiesels
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you only get 50/2 on a hardwired connection speed test with nothing else running? I would call and complain!
theoldwizard1
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Concur, that does look odd. Where does the green connector come from/go to ?
The device is generically called a "residential gateway". In case it is a RF over glass gateway. The benefit is that any existing coax in a residence can be reused. Typical cable TV signals are so you can use any set top box, but you also require a modem for your internet.
From a "marketing" standpoint, they can call it "fiber to the home" (FTTH), but the bandwidth is much less than true "backbone fiber" used in commercial buildings. I have now idea what Google Fiber uses in CA.
The bottom line is, all FTTH go through some kind of "gateway" to connections that more common for consumer devices. We are a long way from fiber directly into your TV or PC.
wyliesdiesels
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It is an SC connector with single mode fiber coming out of the bottom of it going up to the white tube....
No that is NOT a gateway/router. It is a media converter used for fiber/RF instead of fiber/ethernet conversions. The whole Demarc box is called an ONT- optical network terminal.
It does not do any kind of routing or IP packet processing. It merely converts the light signal to RG signal and vise versa.
The gateway would be the all in one cable modem/router setup, which the OP doesnt have since he has a divorced modem and router.
I have business customers with RFOG service and they have an all in one Comcast modem and router which is called a "gateway".
wyliesdiesels
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let me describe my experience doing that via south park:
lol
ive never had a problem with them
There was a few times i was having speed issues, i called them up, they checked things out and fixed it.
sounds like you got the wrong support.
Plus comcast just upgraded my speed from 175 to 200 and i didnt even ask
I have had nothing but great support on comcast business for work.
at home its like a message pops up on their screen: we own the city this customer is in, he has no other choices, do whatever you want it's cool.
jeffmoss26
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ACTUALLY: a customer of mine has lots of fiber in their building.
They have a uverse gateway for the superintendent's office, security camera system, etc.
It has a direct fiber connection from the distribution panel, 4 ethernet ports out.
Trying to find a pic because I have only seen this once.
They have a uverse gateway for the superintendent's office, security camera system, etc.
It has a direct fiber connection from the distribution panel, 4 ethernet ports out.
Trying to find a pic because I have only seen this once.
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wyliesdiesels
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yeah Ive seen those. But they are only routers with a fiber connector. There are no modem guts in them since they dont need to sync with a DSLAM (DSL) or coax CMTS/ cable modem termination system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_modem_termination_system#Modular_CMTS_(M-CMTS)
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johnnyradiant
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That does look some what typical and I bet they all stand there pointing at each other as to whose fault it is that it is not neat and tidy. At first glance it looks a little cleaner than the area in my building. It all went south in my building once the cable company started doing internet and phone service, but they swear it was the original tel co's fault.
yatg
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waxy yellow buildup.
Typical. There was plenty of room in the box when it was installed and it was only a phone demarc, but over the years everybody decided to put their gear in there because it was convenient . And nobody every cleans up old unused wiring and equipment - "not my job".
jeffmoss26
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it's not even that old, it was built post-divestiture.
Jkcolo22
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So OP, what was the result of the electrician visit?
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He came in and ran a new line. Then relocated the jack to the office room. Very knowledgeable guy and even gave suggestions on mounting a switch in the attic to connect all the rooms in the future. Now I just gotta get my speed issue resolved with CenturyLink. Paying for a gig connection but can't seem to get passed 92 at best. My pixel phone hits 92 down on wifi obviously. My laptop can't seem to get passed 50 down. A tech is coming tomorrow to take a look, the tech support was convinced it's a bad line from outside to the jack, even though a brand new line was ran. I also double checked with a brand new cable plugged directly into the ONT and got the same speeds. So hopefully the tech tomorrow can fix whatever is going on outside. When I first got the service I was getting much higher speeds. But back to the post, the electrician was the best electrician I've met. Super knowledgeable, explained everything he was doing, gave great advice and only charged me $100 and left me about 20 feet of cable to make additional cables if I need
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Denwood
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Sounds like a great experience Glad you got it sorted.
Glad you got it sorted.you're paying for 1000 and getting 92 at best?
Yeah it just recently started I had thought it might be interference from all the appliances in the kitchen so I waited till the jack was relocated. Let's see what the tech says today
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stonesfan68
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I don't agree with much of this post. There's nothing obsolete about ethernet cables. Just because hotels don't use a network cable doesn't mean that it isn't worth it to have them in your house, it just means that the property management company didn't want to spend the money retrofitting the infrastructure.
Wired connections are faster and more secure than wifi, and the hard wired connection doesn't drop out or fade with distance from the feed source. I hard wired most of the rooms in my house and we don't have any connection problems with simultaneously streaming 4K video on multiple televisions.
True, modern mobile phones and laptops don't need a hardwire for most things, but I'm sure glad that I had Ethernet cables installed when there were four of us in the house attending separate video meetings.
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wyliesdiesels
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Unless your attic temps dont get high, putting network equipment in an attic is a bad idea.
Even then, that's the last place I'd want any gear. You'll kick yourself if you go that route.
I have a utility closet in the garage I was thinking would work. Also thought about in the garage close to the entrance to the home. Utility closet has the tankless, and duct work. Plenty of room for a small network setup.
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wyliesdiesels
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Perfect! A utility closet that gets hot. (Sarcasm)
FYI network equipment really needs to be in a cool room.
FYI network equipment really needs to be in a cool room.
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E430Driver
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As mentioned before, never put switches, modems or routers in a attic or garage. You want air conditioned space and airflow. A closet is fine but put a louver high up on the door and leave some breathing space around the equipment.
A Central Location is important, because likely one of your devices will be the WiFi router. Router is also important, most nowadays have at best 5 ports (8 if you are lucky). You want a 16 port gigabit capable switch.
So get you a spool of Cat 6 (1000ft), another spool of RG6 Cable and run 2 wires to every possible location you can think of and a run of RG6 to every location you might EVER put a TV. TVs usually have a PS or XBox sitting right next to them, maybe a media player as well, there's 4 connections right there. So for your main TV location I'd do 6 runs. It ***** having to use extra switches everywhere or being forced to use WiFi when you need your setup to run wide open with very little latency. Don't forget each corner of your house for security cameras. So that brings us back to your router/switch setup... Get a 16 port switch that does POE (power over ethernet).
I've used MonoPrice to get cable, ports, plugs, etc.. from in the past, wired my parents house, my sisters house and my girlfriends house with it. Better to have a unused port/cable sitting there than needing to pull cables, yet AGAIN, or to plug a 4 port switch w/yet ANOTHER wall wart sucking ac/dc power off your meter 24x7. They add up. I think my cost to do a entire 3 bedroom house was around $400 in materials and my time. Things are a lot cheaper now. Cat 6 Keystone is $1.20, fully shielded ones are only .25 more... Thats cheap. It's all China stuff, even the stuff from Home Depot and Lowes.
We ran everything to a central closet, put a 3 Gang Box in, 3 Gang Decor face plate with 16 ports on it. We even color coded some of the jacks. We had a separate 1 Gang face plate with a 2 port plate for the incoming cable and incoming POTS (plain old telephone service). Every room had at least a 1 Gang/2 port face plate installed. And everything was Cat 6. Fully Gigabit Ethernet ready. Just not worth messing with installing Cat 5 stuff anymore. Sure some pulls were unused, but we didn't ever need to plug a extra switch in to hook up a 2nd device.
Here's a quick picture for reference. Dragged a few items out from the box sitting here ready to go into my new (old) house. I started out with a less expensive tester, but kept looking and found a good Craigslist deal on a Fluke CableIQ ($300/$1200+ retail 8 yrs ago at that time) after the parents house and haven't looked back. Even the cheap ones will get you a quick good/bad reading. The tester, wire cutters, fish tape, drywall saw, a good punch down tool for the jacks, and a couple other common tools is all that's needed to get professional results. And all of our wiring runs were hidden in the wall cavity except for between the devices sitting on the shelf or the ones we could mount directly on the wall. How clean you do it is up to you. Helps if the walls are accessible from the attic for the runs, outside walls are a pain. Also allows you to pull all the old 4 conductor POTS wire off from around your house and old RG59/RG6 cable too. Really cleans up the outside. Gets everything into the Attic or Basement (wherever your wires run internally).
A Central Location is important, because likely one of your devices will be the WiFi router. Router is also important, most nowadays have at best 5 ports (8 if you are lucky). You want a 16 port gigabit capable switch.
So get you a spool of Cat 6 (1000ft), another spool of RG6 Cable and run 2 wires to every possible location you can think of and a run of RG6 to every location you might EVER put a TV. TVs usually have a PS or XBox sitting right next to them, maybe a media player as well, there's 4 connections right there. So for your main TV location I'd do 6 runs. It ***** having to use extra switches everywhere or being forced to use WiFi when you need your setup to run wide open with very little latency. Don't forget each corner of your house for security cameras. So that brings us back to your router/switch setup... Get a 16 port switch that does POE (power over ethernet).
I've used MonoPrice to get cable, ports, plugs, etc.. from in the past, wired my parents house, my sisters house and my girlfriends house with it. Better to have a unused port/cable sitting there than needing to pull cables, yet AGAIN, or to plug a 4 port switch w/yet ANOTHER wall wart sucking ac/dc power off your meter 24x7. They add up. I think my cost to do a entire 3 bedroom house was around $400 in materials and my time. Things are a lot cheaper now. Cat 6 Keystone is $1.20, fully shielded ones are only .25 more... Thats cheap. It's all China stuff, even the stuff from Home Depot and Lowes.
We ran everything to a central closet, put a 3 Gang Box in, 3 Gang Decor face plate with 16 ports on it. We even color coded some of the jacks. We had a separate 1 Gang face plate with a 2 port plate for the incoming cable and incoming POTS (plain old telephone service). Every room had at least a 1 Gang/2 port face plate installed. And everything was Cat 6. Fully Gigabit Ethernet ready. Just not worth messing with installing Cat 5 stuff anymore. Sure some pulls were unused, but we didn't ever need to plug a extra switch in to hook up a 2nd device.
Here's a quick picture for reference. Dragged a few items out from the box sitting here ready to go into my new (old) house. I started out with a less expensive tester, but kept looking and found a good Craigslist deal on a Fluke CableIQ ($300/$1200+ retail 8 yrs ago at that time) after the parents house and haven't looked back. Even the cheap ones will get you a quick good/bad reading. The tester, wire cutters, fish tape, drywall saw, a good punch down tool for the jacks, and a couple other common tools is all that's needed to get professional results. And all of our wiring runs were hidden in the wall cavity except for between the devices sitting on the shelf or the ones we could mount directly on the wall. How clean you do it is up to you. Helps if the walls are accessible from the attic for the runs, outside walls are a pain. Also allows you to pull all the old 4 conductor POTS wire off from around your house and old RG59/RG6 cable too. Really cleans up the outside. Gets everything into the Attic or Basement (wherever your wires run internally).
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ripperd
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However, they do make industrial temperature rated stuff, so it isn't impossible. If it is the easiest way I would have no issues with it. A plain unmanaged switch is unlikely to EVER need to be touched once operational.
It will cost you though. Rated -40 to 167 F:
https://www.automationdirect.com/ad...hernet_switches/unmanaged/gigabit/se2-sw8ug-t
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wyliesdiesels
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I only use that grade of equipment when there is no other cooler place to put it. Why waste money when other better locations to put equipment are available?
Well I was definitely planning on getting an industrial switch, the electrician explained how the industrial ones are able to handle higher temps.
I do not have a problem with wifi but certain devices and consoles with dedicated network ports just work best with a wired connection.
I wouldn't say I would have "network equipment" in the attic, unless you call a single industrial switch too much to have up there.
Unfortunately the CenturyLink tech never showed today and rescheduled for tomorrow[emoji1696]. He cleaned the fiber replaced the ONT and said he is gonna try a new run of fiber from the street to the hose. I have a huge roll of cat5e and debating on using that to run to each room rather than get a new roll of cat6e. Seeing at best my speed will be 940 according to CenturyLink the cat5e should be good for the time being. If in the future I suppose I can run the cat6e since I have plenty of attic access and I could tape the new wire to the old and fish it easily.
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I do not have a problem with wifi but certain devices and consoles with dedicated network ports just work best with a wired connection.
I wouldn't say I would have "network equipment" in the attic, unless you call a single industrial switch too much to have up there.
Unfortunately the CenturyLink tech never showed today and rescheduled for tomorrow[emoji1696]. He cleaned the fiber replaced the ONT and said he is gonna try a new run of fiber from the street to the hose. I have a huge roll of cat5e and debating on using that to run to each room rather than get a new roll of cat6e. Seeing at best my speed will be 940 according to CenturyLink the cat5e should be good for the time being. If in the future I suppose I can run the cat6e since I have plenty of attic access and I could tape the new wire to the old and fish it easily.
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Denwood
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I wouldn't sweat the Cat5e vs 6. We ran 10GbE (which is not supposed to work on 5e) quite reliably in my commercial building for distances in the 100 ft range. That's 1000MB/s of data..about 10x faster than what folks are using commonly these days in business.
Problem is I only have the one jack in the whole home, without doing another home run to the ONT, I try to keep the holes from outside the home to a minimum. I suppose I could cut the cable in a central area of the run and use a coupler to redirect it to another room. Modem would definitely not be located to the attic for obvious reasons, only the switch
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wyliesdiesels
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I doubt you will ever come close to maxing out a 1Gbps connection.
You’d be hardpressed to find a server that doesnt have traffic shaping limiting upload bandwidth.
Hell i cant even max out my 200Mbps connection and Ive tried with a lot of the servers ran by big tech companies downloading large files.
This push to get people on 1Gbps connections is silly.
You’d be hardpressed to find a server that doesnt have traffic shaping limiting upload bandwidth.
Hell i cant even max out my 200Mbps connection and Ive tried with a lot of the servers ran by big tech companies downloading large files.
This push to get people on 1Gbps connections is silly.
Yeah that was my reasoning on leaning towards just using the cat5 I have. Hell at my old place I was getting 12mbs and maybe 20 on wired. I also grew up on 56k dial up. As far as I'm concerned 100mbs is godspeed for what I use it for lol. I am however not a happy customer if I am paying for a 940 connection and not even getting close to half. If that is the case I'll drop to the plan priced accordingly to the speed I do actually get close to
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That’s what they said about Cat5 not that long ago. My house built in 1999 is wired with CAT5. We have 2 computers and 2 iPhones, but currently seeing 32 devices on our network. Even if I’m not filling the pipe via WAN, there’s still a lot of bandwidth being used on my intranet. My vote is if you are going to go through the hassle of wiring your house, do it with the fastest cable you can afford. Streaming 4K was unfathomable 5 years ago. Now we have 1 GB/s available in our houses. This last week Australian researchers were able to pull 44.2 TB/s through existing fiber. Before long, 1 GB/s will feel like dial up.
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Supra88T
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Very interesting to see how things are done in other areas. Here for a residential service we just run fibre straight into the modem which had a slot for a gbic(which is the ONT in this case). Right now they're offering 1.5gb....not that anybody in a house would even use 100 to its capacity.
Business is different, it's to an alcatel or Huawei ONT and then cat5/6 to the wan port of the modem. Or if it's a data circuit then it's usually into a 9145 or something similar then into a router.
Either way, the ONT is basically always indoors up here. I have never seen one installed outside like south of the border, just the slack box.
On a side note, for the OP...as others have said, networking equipment of any kind in a hot attic would be a terrible idea. On top of that, you have to assess your actual needs to see if its worthwhile running the cables. It depends on the size of the house, possible deadspots etc. Its not that hardwiring is obsolete - I mostly do PBX work and it's all hardwired - rather that it is becoming more obsolete in residential environments. Yes you want a 4k pvr hardwired if possible. Yes some people put POE cameras everywhere and need cabling...But for your average household, the modem ends up in the basement or on the main floor, you plug a multiple handset phone into the pots port of the modem and all your tv receivers are wireless..
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Business is different, it's to an alcatel or Huawei ONT and then cat5/6 to the wan port of the modem. Or if it's a data circuit then it's usually into a 9145 or something similar then into a router.
Either way, the ONT is basically always indoors up here. I have never seen one installed outside like south of the border, just the slack box.
On a side note, for the OP...as others have said, networking equipment of any kind in a hot attic would be a terrible idea. On top of that, you have to assess your actual needs to see if its worthwhile running the cables. It depends on the size of the house, possible deadspots etc. Its not that hardwiring is obsolete - I mostly do PBX work and it's all hardwired - rather that it is becoming more obsolete in residential environments. Yes you want a 4k pvr hardwired if possible. Yes some people put POE cameras everywhere and need cabling...But for your average household, the modem ends up in the basement or on the main floor, you plug a multiple handset phone into the pots port of the modem and all your tv receivers are wireless..
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Denwood
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Nope, bits vs bytes.
10GbE will move ~ 900 megabytes per second (in my real world tests) assuming everything is fully optimized on the network card settings, you’re using SMB3 on Server 2012R2 and Windows 10 or better..and disk arrays (or PCIe SSD) at both ends can handle that data rate. Remember 8 bits to a byte. A bit=b and a byte=B in the nomenclature.
For the non technical, our 10GbE network allows transferring all the data from a 128GB PCIe SSD drive in about 2 minutes. The system I built allowed shared 4K video editing with some very large files. There are few home users with those needs
To confuse things network speeds are generally expressed in bits/second while file storage and file sizes are usually expressed in bytes. A gigabit internet connection would allow a max of about 118 megabytes/second transfer.
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E430Driver
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Cat5e vs Cat6... when it comes to pulling it, terminating, and testing it it’s just not wort it to pull the cheaper stuff . A box of 1000’ Cat6a shielded cable is just so inexpensive these days. $220. I would throw the Cat5 away or just use it for patch cords.
Yes you may not get Gig level speeds TO your house but having the switches INSIDE it will be noticeable with 4K video, maybe you’ll run a media server or be transferring files etc.. it’s just makes things so much more responsive. It’s not like the number of connected devices is diminishing over time....
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Yes you may not get Gig level speeds TO your house but having the switches INSIDE it will be noticeable with 4K video, maybe you’ll run a media server or be transferring files etc.. it’s just makes things so much more responsive. It’s not like the number of connected devices is diminishing over time....
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