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Cat5e vs Cat6... when it comes to pulling it, terminating, and testing it it’s just not wort it to pull the cheaper stuff . A box of 1000’ Cat6a shielded cable is just so inexpensive these days. $220. I would throw the Cat5 away or just use it for patch cords.

Yes you may not get Gig level speeds TO your house but having the switches INSIDE it will be noticeable with 4K video, maybe you’ll run a media server or be transferring files etc.. it’s just makes things so much more responsive. It’s not like the number of connected devices is diminishing over time....


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What are real world numbers on the actual noticable differences? Are we talking quality or transfer speed time? I'm actually quite patient so if it's gonna be say up to a minute faster, that isn't a deal breaker for me personally

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CAT6a STP/shielded is way overkill for anything but A/V

I buy CAT6 UTP for about $100 wholesale 1000’....

Why pay double for CAT6a when its really not needed?
 
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In my situation I think cat6 is even overkill for my situation. I figure since I have a up to 940 connection with lets say a 80% is real numbers with everything connected the cat5e should be more than enough. The only hard wired devices I could think of would be my desktop, sons pc, the two dish receivers and possibly the nintendo switch. The rest of the home is totally fine on wifi. Plus I have majority of a 500' roll of the southwire cat5e solid copper wire. I do not even own a 4k TV lol
 

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The main advantage of Cat 6 over Cat5e is for PoE devices and even then it's negligible. In almost any residential or light commercial environment its very unlikely that you would be running anything more than a 1Gbs switch. Cameras are all 100Mbs. Cat5e has always been able to handle 1Gbs connections, same as Cat 6. Cat 6 is 23ga copper, vs Cat5e 24ga. You can now find Cat5e in 22ga, specifically for dealing with high power PoE devices.

It's very rare to transmit AV signals, what all these streaming devices are doing is receiving IP Ethernet signals and transcoding it to h.264 or some other video/audio format at the device. The Cat6A, usually shielded in this case, comes in when you are transmitting that raw h.264 or MPEG signal. Cat6A is the standard for 10G networking and although Cat 6 can work for it too in some circumstances, the 6A is designed to take into account alien cross-talk. Because in networking environments, you will have large bundles of cable running together for long distances, the potential for interference between cables becomes greater, 6A is designed to help minimize that.

In the spirit of GJ, go ahead and run 6A shielded, because if you're going to do something, might as well over do it, then over do that. If you're dealing with a home/workshop/small business that actually would need it, then chances are you're not looking to save a buck on a cheap roll of cable or which jack to use...
 

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My poe devices are working just dandy on cat5e. cameras, APs all for years now.

there is 0 reason to run cat6a in 99.999% of homes. but this is GJ. i would only run 6a and 12 strand fiber to every wall in the house. even the half bath.
 

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Well, I do transfer large video files over my network. GoPro 4K footage is h265, some of the lower res is too but even with 1080p/h264 it’s easy to fill up 4 or 5 128GB cards over a single weekend out then download to my computers 2TB drive. When it’s full I eventually need to transfer over 1TB at a time to a networked remote hard drive. Taking 20 mins vs 60+ is much nicer and the rest of my network doesn’t slow to a crawl. And eventually, once done with it, I slap a drive in and transfer it to a offline backup drive. Then there’s also a 8TB WD network drive/media server so i can watch those videos on any of the 3 HDTVs or 2 iPads in my house. Add to this my security camera footage is all 4K now. That system is wireless, but I’d like to go wired as the latency *****.

My point is, for the savings vs the time invested, if one were to go about wiring a house up, and wanting to get the most out of it, 100 vs $200 for the raw CAT6 is the way to go at this time. Especially if you are paying someone by the hour for the install and want it to be future proof. Gigabit switches and routers is the norm now not the exception. Even if you are not maxing your home network out it will feel and be more responsive.

I never thought I’d be transferring large files like now. I remember the days of dial-up and DSL when I digitized my entire CD collection as disc images and shared my music to every device in my house. Lossless files. Those 350-700MB CD files were HUGE at the time, you could get away with WiFi, especially as WiFi kept getting faster. 802.11a to b felt so fast. Nowadays those file sizes are small. Video files will put your network to the test. I downloaded some Amazon videos for offline viewing for a trip to my iPad and the space they consumed was quite large. Ate up my 128GB in very short order. A full bandwidth Netflix or Amazon 4K file will pump a 12-20GB+ file (90GB for a 4K HDR movie) to your house and to the device if its capable of viewing in 4K. Unless it hits a bottleneck, throttles the incoming file and downres to a lower quality. If I pay for 4K then I want 4K not 1080p! This is the new “norm”. Also I don’t want to sit there watching YouTube pause and buffer. ***** watching a welding video in 480.

If you are never selling your house, don’t have a hdtv, don’t stream in HD, still use your tv antenna, only do AOL and are still on MySpace, maybe even CAT5 is overkill. ;)


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My poe devices are working just dandy on cat5e. cameras, APs all for years now.

there is 0 reason to run cat6a in 99.999% of homes. but this is GJ. i would only run 6a and 12 strand fiber to every wall in the house. even the half bath.

0 reason to run wire in 99.999% of homes ..........but........the discussion, argument or opinion of the day.

I don’t have any devices that have or need a PLUG/WIRE.
 

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Don't confuse file transfer speed with network throughput. The bottlenecks are usually in the devices themselves. Copying files from one medium to another is slowed by many things internal to the devices. SSD drives are faster but they still have to communicate with the controllers. Same with ethernet cards to convert and put onto a network. Faster network speeds isn't necessarily about increasing any single devices speed, it's more about dealing with more traffic from more devices.
 

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0 reason to run wire in 99.999% of homes ..........but........the discussion, argument or opinion of the day.

I don’t have any devices that have or need a PLUG/WIRE.

we can disagree:

POE powered security cameras

AP back hauls.

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For cameras I was actually looking at the eufy ones that supposedly have phenomenal battery life

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POE is the only way to go.

On the cable thing, I have several commercial sites running POE 4K cameras, all on Cat5e. They only have 100Mb ports.

We also ran our 10GbE network on Cat5e (at full speeds) but with cable runs under 130 ft.

In other words, if I had a few boxes of Cat5e on hand and was wiring a house, I'd have no hesitation using it...even if running 10GbE for shorter distances.
 
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Wanna talk about f'ing weird. Well at least to me anyways. So as typical the cable was b wired and only giving the 100/100 connection. Tech wired it in a format and got it to register 1000/1000. If anyone has input on this as to why it would make a difference i would like to know. So I changed the original line to the a format and definitely saw an increase in speed. So the wall jack is a format and the cable running to the modem is b but everything works. Should I maybe make an a cable to go from jack to modem? Curious if it will change anything. I hate to have to make everything a wired since b is pretty much the norm. But like I said it doesn't make sense to me since as long as the wires are terminated the same on both ends of a cable it should transmit the same. Am I missing something here?

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I get the ends needing to be the same n the patch cable also. So if the home run is wired a is there any issues with the patch going into the modem being wired in b? It's working fine at the moment, I'll make a short a patch now to see if it makes any difference. Also would the modems switch ports also need to be in a or will b work just fine?

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10/100 uses only 4 of the 8 conductors (2 pairs) in an ethernet cable. 1000 uses all 8. If some of the unused conductors aren't connected properly, then the cable may work fine in a 10/100 environment.

Home ethernet stuff is all autodetect for transmit/receive these days. As I recall, we were still using crossover cables on the Cisco stuff at work when the $30 home ethernet switches were all autodetect.
 
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I'm beginning to learn that if you are going with cat5e cable all the components need to be cat5e also. The components for the cat6 are slightly larger for the thicker gauge wires. Since cat6 is the norm now that is what most components are that are readily available. It would make sense why the cat5e wires aren't getting terminated properly since the proper connectors aren't being used

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The rj45 connectors the keystone's the couplers basically anything you would connect to has to be the same as the cable you are using. Maybe not much so for the couplers but definitely the rj45s n keystone's as they are created for a particular gauge of wire

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