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I'm in the market for a truck bed trailer. The 1/2 t ones are readily available, the 3/4 t not so much. I will be hauling water, 500+ gals. = 4,000+ lbs.

Do I need more springs on a 1/2 t, how many, and can they be added easily?

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Most half tons have a payload of well under 2000 lbs, and a rear gross axle weight rating of under 4000 lbs. 500 gallons of water, container, any other tools/equipment, and you are WAY over that.

Any reason you want a truck bed trailer for hauling a water tank? Seems like a dedicated trailer would be better suited for the load, and safer (lower, trailer brakes, etc). Just think of it this way, you are talking about setting the weight of a large car on the bed of a half ton.

Something like this would work
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/rvs/2034527755.html
 
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Any reason you want a truck bed trailer for hauling a water tank?

Something like this would work
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/rvs/2034527755.html

I'm trying to lower the cost of hauling water. Delivery cost me just over $0.04/gallon now. Can do it my self for less that $0.01 after buying a trailer and pump. Water source is about five miles away, don't even need tags!

Would love to have a nice trailer like in the link, but the "pay back" would be just too long so its just not in the cards as water hauling would be its only job. A neighbor has a car hauler type that I'm sure I could if needed, but haven't in last five years! Pickup bed trailers and pretty common and can be had for $300.00 or less. I think a 3/4t would work, just not as common.

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I'm in SW Colo and everyone hauls their water in my area. Pickup bed trailers are VERY common for this.

You have tons (pun?) or options. If you can't find anything but a half ton, then fine. Springs are EASILY added and I do this to ALL my trucks because a truck that sags w a load in the bed annoys me to no end. I added springs to my '05 Canyon, I added springs to my wife's '02 Silverado 1500, I added springs to my '95 F250 and I added springs to my '97 F250 Powerstroke. My '90 Bronco is leafs at all 4 corners and I've messed w those more than I care to think.

Do not worry about what the springs came from, leafs are leafs esp for a trailer. Ideally you should match width and most springs will be 2.5" or 3" wide (mostly 4wd Ford here). For a trailer you could probably put 2.5" springs in a 3" spring pack (but not the other way around).

Try to match arch but for a trailer again it's not that important.

Some center pins will be offset (Ford), some will be centered in the length of the spring (Chevy). No matter, it is perfectly permissible to cut springs (use an abrasive wheel) to whatever length you need. I wouldn't reco drilling spring steel, and for a booty trailer it's not worth the time. If one of the springs you add is a bit assymetrical front to rear, it's not a big deal for a trailer.

Get new u-bolts, any spring shop can do it. If you don't have a spring shop, look in the yellow pages. I order from Denver which is next day UPS even w standard ground.

You'll need a new center pin since your spring pack will be effectively getting thicker. If you can't buy locally (I never have) remove the existing center pin and figure out the diameter, then grab a Gr8 bolt of same dia and new length. If you don't have a lathe, chuck it up in a 1/2" drill, lock the trigger on and clamp the drill in a vise (not necessarily in this order LOL). Then take a grinder and grind the hex head down until it fits the hole in the spring perch on the axle. Some axles will not even require this and the hex head will fit fine as is.

This is the poor man's lathe LOL.

If this all sounds complicated, IT IS NOT. Leafs are extremely simple, and it will all make perfect sense once you get into it.

Have some c-clamps or Besseys on hand to clamp the pack together when you remove (and probably install) the spring pack center pin.

Now regarding actual axle strength, I think you'll be fine. People overload 1/2t trucks everyday. This doesn't mean it's a good idea, but there's a margin there. Plus your trailer will only be handling the weight, not dealing w the twisting forces of drive torque. If I had my choice I'd go w a Ford 9" only because it's not a c-clip axle, but otherwise a Ford 8.8, GM 10bolt or Chrysler 9.25 will be fine. Sometimes people remove the pinion, but then you need to cap the snout and do keep the axle topped off w gear oil.

I almost never add a single leaf given the work involved. I'd add two. If you get an identical donor pack, you can make a half-*** military wrap by taking the MAIN leaf and cutting the eyes so they form a half-round radius to cup the actual main leaf in your pack. This will give you the greatest increase in load capacity.
 

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If you are hauling 4k lbs, and want to use a truck bed as a trailer, you NEED a full-float axle.

Springs are an easy fix, just put air bags on it.
 

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IIRC the 10.25 has a GAWR of 5200 or 5400 lbs (not that I like the 10.25 but it's odd stuff that sticks in my head)..............I was curious what the Ford 9" might be rated at.............after some searching on the web it appears 3654. Of course you gotta deduct the weight of the trailer, I'm actually not sure what a p/u bed trailer might weight? 800 lbs?

http://73-79.com/about.php

Regardless, you wouldn't be overloading the axle by *that* much and I'd personally chance it. I'd be more worried about quality tires and make sure they're at max rated psi of course. You can of course get 16" wheels in 5 on 5.5 in which case you can run E rated tires but the cost of the wheels alone would outweight just swapping in a full floater.

All this is on the premise of hauling water locally, not going cross country on the interstate.
 

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The 10.25 full float is actually a 8k+ rated axle.

The only thing limiting it is tires, and more importantly the number of tires on the ground.

The single rear wheel 10.25 has a rating of 6250lbs
Dual rear wheel 10.25 is 8250lbs

BOTH ratings have to do with tires, as your average Load E tire has a rating of 3500 lbs or so.


A ford 9" is NOT designed to haul weight.
 
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Wow! Who knew how much there was to learn about axles and springs! Made my brain hurt just trying to learn! Luckily, I found a 3/4 ton trailer today.

If any one needs the topper (with a couple of broken windows,) it free, local pickup only!
Thanks for all the help!
Harold
 

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Looks like truck arm suspension or is that a shadow?

If it is, so much the better. Springs too soft get a pair of bags rated for what you're hauling. Air 'em up as needed.
 

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Wow! Who knew how much there was to learn about axles and springs! Made my brain hurt just trying to learn! Luckily, I found a 3/4 ton trailer today.

If any one needs the topper (with a couple of broken windows,) it free, local pickup only!
Thanks for all the help!
Harold

That looks like an excellent solution to your problem! Im glad you fond a 3/4 ton.

get a close up of one of the wheels, as well as the pumpkin (diff) and we can tell you more about the axle.

Just because it is a 3/4 ton doesnt mean it is a full float axle. But from what I can see, it looks to be a full float.

No matter, a good set of tires, and probably a set of air bags and you will be set.
 

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IDASHO -why so hung up on NEEDING a full floater? I know they are better, I won't argue that, but there are semi floating axles that would be up to the load. The 9.5" 14 bolt in my C2500 is rated at 6K, for example.
 
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OK, This is what I have. It is a Ford, not sure the year, but the topper has a '78 Reg. sticker, so I would assume it is earlier than that. The tires are thin and the coupler is not a class III so that will need replacing. Is that a truck arm suspension in the first photo?
 

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It's a full floater. That's an Eaton HO52, which has a drop out third member like a Ford 9". That bed would be from a '67-69 Chevy/GMC. My '69 Chevy pickup has the same rear axle and I have another that's going into my Jeep.

You might crack it open and see if it has a Detroit locker in it. Some of those axles had them from the factory. They are in demand amongst the rock crawler crowd and those axles can be shaved for ground clearance and are very strong.
 

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the bed in your earlier picture is a CHEVY ... not a ford ... and there are guys out there that are willing to pay very good money for those rust free trailing arms under that CHEVY bed.

www.67-72chevytrucks.com is a good place to check out if you decide to sell.
 
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... and there are guys out there that are willing to pay very good money for those rust free trailing arms under that CHEVY bed.

Now you have my interest, define "good money"
And, are they needed to carry a heavy load?
Inquiring Minds!

Have no idea where how I came up with Ford! Just been looking at too many bed trailers on craigslist, I guess!

Harold.
 

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IDASHO -why so hung up on NEEDING a full floater? I know they are better, I won't argue that, but there are semi floating axles that would be up to the load. The 9.5" 14 bolt in my C2500 is rated at 6K, for example.

Thats an easy answer.

For starters, bearings.

A semifloat axle relies on ONE set of bearings to support the weight of the vehicle on the spindle. They also use simple roller bearings, and rely on the axle shaft to keep the wheel and tire attached to the rear end. So, break an axle, and the wheel will come right off! :spit:

A full float utilized two large taper bearings to support the weight of the vehicle. And does not rely on the axle shaft to keep the wheel on. This is especially useful on a trailer. You can simply remove the axle shafts from the hubs, cut the axle from the cap, and reinstall the cap. Now you have a free-rolling wheel, that doesnt have to turn the axles or the diff. (dont forget to top of the fluid:))


My biggest reason though?

Ive NEVER had to service the bearings on a full floater. EVER. That includes a few 3/4 and 1-ton 200k+ mile fords that have lived very hard lives. My '96 F250 has seen 4k+ loads of roofing, gravel and such, routinely hauls around 2800lbs of camper and gear, and it never breaks a sweat.

Ive done plenty of semi-floats.
 
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OK, I'm in business! With 500 gallons of water, the bed is still 3 inches above the axle. Hope that is enough! Still tweaking the balance for proper tongue weight.

Harold
 

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Just curious , how often do you pickup water? Seems like $20 is a fair deal to drop off 500 gallons.

No doubt, the price was fair, but I'm retired and have too much time on my hands anyway!http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/images/smilies/bounce.gif

Driver delivers 2,200 gal. for $85.00 About 10/year.

I can haul it (550x4) for 16.25 (water $6, gas $10, Electricity $0.25

Capital invest approx $700 Payback, about a year! Then I save $50-60/month after that depending on how long the current tires hold out!

And now I can afford to give my trees enough water to grow, not just survive!http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif



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