Pioneer 12k Mini Split - $699 @ Home Depot

[Git]

Pioneer 12,000 BTU 1 Ton 19 SEER Ductless Mini Split Air Conditioner Heat Pump Variable Speed DC Inverter+ System 110/120V WYS012AMFI19RL-16 - The Home Depot

Pioneer - e/o Ductless Mini Split Air Conditioner Heat Pump Variable Speed DC Inverter System - featuring a curved design to help redirect air flow from your central forced air systems.

www.homedepot.com

$55 shipping or pick it up at the store. You have to add it to your cart to see the $699 Price

 

[Mandres]

Looks like a good deal. Is there a downside to running a 110v system? The 220v model is a couple hundred more.

 

[Git]

Total electrical consumption would be the same. On the Home Depot page, someone from the 'Pioneer Support Team' indicated this unit would require a 20 amp breaker. I am not an electrician but I would think 12/2 romex and you would be good to go?

 

[Swervyjoe]

Is a diy system? I dont know much about them, but I have installed 2 Mr Cool diy units

 

[Git]

DIY - No.

'Syberia' recently made a post on his mini split install. I thought it was very informative:

Finished installing my "non-DIY" mini split

Took me about two weeks of working on it inconsistently, multiple trips to Home Depot, and a few days of waiting for some 90 degree flare elbows from Amazon to arrive after I linked the original line set trying to bend it too tightly, but I finally got my 24k Mr. Cool Advantage up and running...

www.garagejournal.com

 

[Mandres]

According to the description the lineset comes precharged, so I guess you would need to make the connections and vacuum down the line before releasing the coolant?

 

[Git]

According to the description the lineset comes precharged, so I guess you would need to make the connections and vacuum down the line before releasing the coolant?

The outdoor unit is precharged - I think you mistyped your reply?

But, Yes, you are right. Usual procedure would be to pressure test with nitrogen to check for leaks, vacuum the lines and then release the coolant.

"R410A pre-charged outdoor unit, accommodating line lengths up to 25 ft. long"

You could buy the appropriate tools, or what I did when I installed my Mr Slim several years ago was to have a local Mitsu contractor come out and do the start up for me. I paid $300, but at the time I also did it to maintain the factory warranty. That was 6 years ago, and I never had a problem since.

 

[HaiKarate]

I just installed a Pioneer mini split last week. Installation went ok and product seems fine - however shipping issues aplenty getting the effing thing here via UPS. Don't sweat the non-DIY moniker - it is far from rocket science for anyone with an ounce of mechanical ability/understanding.

 

[Swervyjoe]

Sounds good. Thanks

 

[rice rocket]

So the Pioneer is precharged at the outdoor unit, and the Mr Cool is charged to the end of the lines, is that correct?

I pulled up the manual and it looks like the Pioneer says to pull a vacuum on the lines before filling, the Mr Cool looks to be completely plug and play?

 

[motorcycle79]

I am not familiar at all with the mr cool but I can’t believe the lines are precharged. How would u shorten the lines or hook up. the refrigerant would leak out at hookup.

 

[InsaneEd]

So the Pioneer is precharged at the outdoor unit, and the Mr Cool is charged to the end of the lines, is that correct?

I pulled up the manual and it looks like the Pioneer says to pull a vacuum on the lines before filling, the Mr Cool looks to be completely plug and play?

The MrCool "DIY" has precharged lines, but the MrCool "Advantage" needs the lines vacuumed. The difference is the DIY is quite a bit more expensive.

 

[gamp945]

I am not familiar at all with the mr cool but I can’t believe the lines are precharged. How would u shorten the lines or hook up. the refrigerant would leak out at hookup.

From the little bit I've learned about the Mr. Cool, you are correct that you CANNOT SHORTEN THE LINES after hookup. If you look at the large number of "influencers" installing these on youtube (with the assistance of Mr. Cool), you will see that they leave the lines a mile long whether the installation calls for it or not. Aside from being an eyesore, I believe all this extra line length (which is typically rolled into a coil) will have a negative impact on system performance and longevity. But I know very little about HVAC so maybe I'm wrong.

 

[loganb]

From the little bit I've learned about the Mr. Cool, you are correct that you CANNOT SHORTEN THE LINES after hookup. If you look at the large number of "influencers" installing these on youtube (with the assistance of Mr. Cool), you will see that they leave the lines a mile long whether the installation calls for it or not. Aside from being an eyesore, I believe all this extra line length (which is typically rolled into a coil) will have a negative impact on system performance and longevity. But I know very little about HVAC so maybe I'm wrong.

Check out the HVAC section here and read up on them, there are a large number of members here on GJ who have the Mr. Cool DIY set and have been very pleased. The factory instructions state to keep the extra lineset coiled and the warranty supports it when installed properly so why mess with something that's not broken. If it's an aesthetic concern buy a unit that's not "precharged" and the lineset can be made to the exact length then commissioned.

 

[wkndwarrior29]

You guys might want to check your electric company for rebates, I just ordered the 12k 21 seer pioneer unit for 1070 shipped from Amazon and expect to get around 650 back between the tax credit and a 400 rebate through my electricity provider. It might be worth ordering a slightly higher energy star rated model.

 

[mellowdave]

I have this unit in my garage. Mine is two years old and aside from a very noisy interior fan at one year, replaced under warranty, it’s been fantastic. Keeps the whole garage to 68 degrees year round, and I’ve seen zero impact to my electric bill.
install was simple, but I have pretty good experience with various AC systems. I used a vacuum pump to prep the line set and interior unit, thought the main system is indeed pre charged. Once you’ve achieved and maintained full vacuum, you simply open the valve on the outdoor unit and you’re ready to go.
As to the 20 amp requirement, I ran this unit on a shared 15 amp line for quite a while during a restructuring of my service which ultimately freed up a 20 amp circuit. I had ZERO issues doing this, it never once tripped the breaker, or caused any problems.
Texas requires a shutoff adjacent to the unit, and I’m sure most states are the same there. Those parts as well as any other electrical supply things aren’t included, so factor in another hundred or so bucks for those parts.
YMMV, but I recommend the system heartily.

 

[Hellpig]

mellowdave,
Garage dimensions and ceiling height?
Thanks

 

[beemerphile]

Has anyone here used a line flushing kit to turn a non-DYI into a DYI?

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Pioneer...order_confirmation_recs-_-NA-_-314537728-_-N&

 

[rice rocket]

Spending $35 on a can of "dry air" is foolish.

You can get a set of gauges and a vacuum pump for $60-70, and you can use it to service your car AC and whatever else you might run into. That would be my preference.

 

[welder275]

GIT,

Thanks for posting this deal. I pulled the trigger on one and it came in today. Or at-least I picked it up today. I am going to install in my cargo trailer.

 

[alex2929]

this deal is back alive but cheaper yet. I just ordered a 220v model. free shipping too!

 

[240sxguy]

this deal is back alive but cheaper yet. I just ordered a 220v model. free shipping too!

I see it's the low temperature model as well. Schweet.

 

[zeekh]

I'm Curious how well this would work in my area. Gets pretty cold here (Albany NY) not sure if it would keep my garage warm enough. May 2 12,00 BTU units for a 24' x 44' garage with 10' ceilings?????

 

[rice rocket]

Depends on your insulation too.

The 1.5 ton units were 20% off as well, that's what I went with.

 

[zeekh]

Depends on your insulation too.

The 1.5 ton units were 20% off as well, that's what I went with.

Not insulated now but will be by next winter. Going with R21 in walls at least R30 in ceiling

 

[NC Fabricator25]

I ordered the 18k unit, also the Turbro stainless steel mounting bracket for the outdoor unit, that was marked down from $85 to $35, seemed like a no brainer for an easy mounting solution.

I’ve been using a 5,000btu window unit in my 1,600sf shop for years but they only last a few years and then it’s another $150 for a replacement, and I’m sure the Pioneer mini split will be more efficient. And yes, it’s undersized for the square footage and climate in North Carolina, but my shop is insulated, mostly shaded, and partially build into a hillside, so it’s less about the temperature and more about the humidity control. With no AC the temps get into the mid 80’s on the hottest of days and with the little window unit it keeps it in the upper 70’s. Coupled with the low humidity, it’s comfortable at that temperature.

I’ll be curious to see how this unit does. Link to the Turbro mount:

Turbro Stainless Steel Mounting Bracket

 

[gamp945]

I ordered the 18k unit, also the Turbro stainless steel mounting bracket for the outdoor unit, that was marked down from $85 to $35, seemed like a no brainer for an easy mounting solution.

I’ve been using a 5,000btu window unit in my 1,600sf shop for years but they only last a few years and then it’s another $150 for a replacement, and I’m sure the Pioneer mini split will be more efficient. And yes, it’s undersized for the square footage and climate in North Carolina, but my shop is insulated, mostly shaded, and partially build into a hillside, so it’s less about the temperature and more about the humidity control. With no AC the temps get into the mid 80’s on the hottest of days and with the little window unit it keeps it in the upper 70’s. Coupled with the low humidity, it’s comfortable at that temperature.

I’ll be curious to see how this unit does. Link to the Turbro mount:

Turbro Stainless Steel Mounting Bracket

The 18K unit that you purchased has a variable speed compressor and ramps down all the way to 4,075 BTU. So if your 5K window rattler controlled humidity well, the mini-split will do even better.

 

[rice rocket]

I ordered the 18k unit, also the Turbro stainless steel mounting bracket for the outdoor unit, that was marked down from $85 to $35, seemed like a no brainer for an easy mounting solution.

I’ve been using a 5,000btu window unit in my 1,600sf shop for years but they only last a few years and then it’s another $150 for a replacement, and I’m sure the Pioneer mini split will be more efficient. And yes, it’s undersized for the square footage and climate in North Carolina, but my shop is insulated, mostly shaded, and partially build into a hillside, so it’s less about the temperature and more about the humidity control. With no AC the temps get into the mid 80’s on the hottest of days and with the little window unit it keeps it in the upper 70’s. Coupled with the low humidity, it’s comfortable at that temperature.

I’ll be curious to see how this unit does. Link to the Turbro mount:

Turbro Stainless Steel Mounting Bracket

I think it's fake on-sale. Same price everywhere, but if it works, it works.