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Working on closing off oil galleries on a VW type 4 engine. Having a heck of a time finding what I consider to be a high quality pipe plugs. The case is aluminum so only steel plugs because aluminum ones don't like to come back out in aluminum. Sizes are 1/8", 1/4" and 3/8". Anyone recommend a really high quality finish steel pipe plug. Below is a photo of the 3/8th sample ones I had left over last case I did 10 years ago. The long one is too long. I think NPT is Ok although the taps are NPTF. The plugs get sealed with a Loctite teflon pipe sealant.

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The ones I get from Pioneer are very good quality. Your local Automotive Machine Shop might have them. Pioneer is a well known brand in the Machine Shop business. the 3/8 ones I have measure .653 (depending on where you measure it) x about .370 long
 

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I think NPT is Ok although the taps are NPTF.

NPT will work but it's usually cheap **** and totally dependent on the sealant. NPTF Dryseal from an industrial hydraulics/pneumatics or tube fitting line should be high quality. McMaster is probably easiest source.

Also NPT for a VW engine? Are these extra holes you're drilling & tapping yourself?
 
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NPT will work but it's usually cheap **** and totally dependent on the sealant. NPTF Dryseal from an industrial hydraulics/pneumatics or tube fitting line should be high quality. McMaster is probably easiest source.

Also NPT for a VW engine? Are these extra holes you're drilling & tapping yourself?

Bill - I will check out the ones at Pioneer.

Bob - yes but they were mostly anodized aluminum.

Bretny - thank you. I have a couple picked out there as potential candidates. Not sure I will use stainless. Coated steel is the recommended plug in an aluminum case like this. Aluminum or stainless work perfectly well in iron blocks.

Matt, the factory plugs are pressed in. They ones in the type IV engines (late North American buses, Porsche 912-E, VW 411-412, Porsche 914-4, and industrial engines for military applications) are notorious for popping out in cold weather, puking the oil, and destroying the engine. Because of the expense these days, and rarity of good parts for these 40 - 50 year old VW buses, many of us pop the plugs out, drill and tap when building a new engine. I'd guess that maybe 5 engines a year of this kind get built in the USA, and it is always a challenge to find things with the changing environment. What was available 6 months ago has changed. There are a few companies left that specialize in these engines but their quality is notoriously bad as they use the cheapest parts, solutions, and labor available.

The T4 engine case is aluminum. Some companies build aircraft engines from them. Coated steel is the recommended plug in aluminum. I've read stainless will work too although it has greater potential of corrosion than coated steel. Brass is not recommended due to corrosion potential. Aluminum on aluminum has the same expansion coefficient and seals exceptionally well, but I am told by those who have been there that once they are in, the next time the engine is rebuilt it is impossible to remove them without stripping them in order to clean the oil galleries because aluminum on aluminum galls. I may make a trip over to Hoses and Fittings etc to see what they have in Parker hydraulic fittings.
 
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If you are looking for shallow NPT plugs didn't some Ford engines (FE?) use them for oil galley plugs? If so, they should be available.
 

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If you can spot face the castings, and hex headed plugs wouldn't be in the way, parallel plugs with sealing washers would be a better solution. They don't weep or get stuck like taper pipe threads do.
 

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Do not use stainless. Ask any marine mechanic. Stainless and aluminum don’t get along.

Use either coated steel or brass.
 
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How many of each size do you need ?? By the way the pioneer ones work fine in aluminum blocks. Thats all we use.

7 ea hex head 3/8" NPT (or NPTF)
7 ea hex head 1/4" NPT (or NPTF)
5 ea hex head 1/8" NPT (or NPTF)

If you have them I'd be happy to pay market, and shipping for them. I suspect the Pioneer ones are what will work the best based on their photos.They go in oil galleries with Loctite thread sealant so NPT will seal just fine. Some of the NPTF ones are weird sizes or are square head. I need hex head.
 
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summit is out of one of the three sizes I need as to Pioneer packages - they don't sell Pioneer in singles. The others listed are mostly aluminum or very expensive chromed ones, or kits that lack what I need. Need steel. Went to order from another company today someone recommended, and I have to call them and set up an account first for them to sell me anything. This is getting really old.
 

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I am sure I have them. I will look in the AM. They only cost a few cents each. Are you sure you don't have a machine shop closer to you that would have them ? I will gladly send them to you across country :) Send me your e-mail in a PM and I will send you a picture in the AM.
 
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