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Planning my garage lights layout

exomic

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Hello,

I have a 19x18' garage with a ceiling height of 11'. Here's what's I was planning:

16x SYLVANIA STRIP1A/047UNVD850/48S/WH (5000k/6000LM) 4 rows of 4.
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https://assets2.sylvania.com/media/bin/asset-2701639/asset-2701639

Layout image:
Code:
https://ibb.co/XDt9ZyB

Based on the simulations it should be around 162footcandle at 2.5' work height. Is that overkill? Should the rows be in the same direction then the cars?
 
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Yes, that's extreme overkill. Half that would still be very very bright. A pro workshop should be around 90fc. A hobby shop could be around 50fc.
It doesnt really matter too much which direction you orient the fixtures. Go with your preference. For me, I prefer the ends of the fixture at the garage door entrance. This way, I'm not looking at the lights running across my field of vision when entering the garage.
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It’s hard to decide how much Footcandles to target without seeing it in real life. I heard 100fc up to 120fc was the best for garage so I guess I should reduce to that range.
 

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We all have opinions... I vote for the more the merrier!!!

It can really never be too bright when you are working on a project.

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I was planning on using a 0-10v dimmer so I can control the intensity. Just curious is a dimmer reducing only the light output or will it also help reduce the power consumption?
 
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exomic

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Using a lightloss of 0.8 it calculates 129fc at 2.5ft and 112fc at groundlevel.
 

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I have 20 4’ LED that are 5000k and a little over 5000 lumens in 750-800 SF and think it’s about right. I did wire them to 4 switches, all with dimmers, but honestly that was more switches and dimmers and thus more wiring than, in hindsight, was necessary.
 

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We all have opinions... I vote for the more the merrier!!!

It can really never be too bright when you are working on a project.

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Reminds me of the Tim Allen scene where he is in a Christmas decorating competition. As he is about to throw the power switch he says "Do not look directly at the snowman!" LOL

A lot of people here seem to want REALLY bright shops. I am planning on more modest lighting.
 

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Good lighting isn't done with opinions, it's done with data, experience and facts. There definitely are hazards when you have too much light. I know that it's fun to say that you can "never have too much", but actually you can, and it can be unhealthy. Working under 162 fc for long periods of time is not cool.
There is an organization of lighting scientists that have identified the optimal amount of lighting for every kind of space that you can imagine, so there is no need to guess or to get info from your cousin's sister's aunt.
A professional auto shop should be just over 90fc. That's pretty damn bright. If you're doing that kind of work in your garage or home shop, then shoot for that. Going over that is just wasting your money on buying too much light, dimmer or not.
BTW, a dimming control wasn't invented so that you can install way too much light and then dim it down to a normal level. They're made so that you can lower the lights when you're not doing the task that the space is designed for.

Most people dont know anything about different foot candle levels. It's just not something that they've ever dealt with. That's why the work has already been done for them by others that do know.
Just for reference:
A typical school classroom should be around 45fc. Same for an office building. That's normally plenty for a residential garage.
If you're just parking cars in your garage, then 25-30 is more than enough to let you work on the lawn mower from time to time.
Warehouses are around 10fc. Parking lots at night are typically under 2fc.

Even more important than the foot candles is that the space is evenly lit with good reflectance and limited shadows. That's where fixture spacing comes in. A good photometric report will help immensely in figuring out where to place your fixtures. This is also the reason that those "screw-in" deformable LED lights or corn lights are such a travesty.
The process should be:
1. Determine how much light, in foot candles, that you want or need. Dont guess. Find a reference. And ffs, DONT use lumens/square foot
2. Determine which type of fixture that you like aesthetically or that is the best solution for you, or that you can afford.
3. Using a layout tool, find the correct lumen package from that fixture that will satisfy #1 with good spacing to avoid contrast and shadowing
3a. Determine if there are any large un-movable objects that need to be designed around.
4. Do your best to fit these into your budget.
 

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16 of those sounds like overkill, but who knows. I put in 12 lights in a 30x40x19 shop with white ceiling, grey walls and polished concrete floor. They are 5k and 21,750 lumens each. It’s overly bright, but I routinely work under a welding helmet running a plasma and need the extra light to see the lines to cut. I hit 1 switch and 3 lights come on and it’s plenty bright for general work.
 

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Because every garage having it's unique layouts and furnishings. IMHO, I all depends on what you plan to do in that garage with what ever is in the garage.

60 years ago I was asked "How many hot cakes does it take to cover a Dog House?"
The answer is unobtainable with the lack of information given.
How big is the dog house? What size are the Hot Cakes?

Just too many unknowns to arrive at a Solution.
 
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