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Please - Could you help rating some drill bits?

losvre

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Hello all,

I am working on some car/ bike projects and often I have to drill out broken blts/ studs of high tensile strength, e.g. 10.9.

Could you please rate the following drill bits?

Also, have you heard about Phantom drills, phantom.nl? I bought a 4 mm dia and it is quite good.

I will provide some feedback after testing 2-3 brands I already have.

Dormer
Titex
Izar
Ghuring
FEW
Phantom

Many thanks
Nik
 
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larryforce

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I personally use the mac cobalt drill bits, mainly because my dealer will warranty them against breakage, which to me is a huge benifit
 

woody 73

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The Dormer and the Ghuring are top notch bits and they do not come cheap; I have not used the other brands. I find buying tons of used bits and keeping them sharp go a long way but your results may vary.
 

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Sorry to disagree with another poster so fast, but the Dormer are not that great!

20 years ago yes, and if you find the old British Made bits they will be fine, but the modern outsourced ones are dreadful - no life and they chip, bend or break easily!

Other British made drills seem to be fine, such as Presto, as are the German made Guhring!

The secret with drill bits seems to be finding a good supplier who supplies factories and machine shops! I'm lucky to have one, and all the bit's I've sourced there seem to be top end, even if it's a make I've never heard of!
 

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Hmm. Re reading my post above it's not very helpful!

Let me share some drilling experiences, which might be more useful!

A good few years ago, I had to regularly drill some small holes through steel castings about 1/2 inch thick! If anybody has ever tried to drill castings you'll know it's tough on drills as you get all sorts of hard spots, not to mention a 'skin' either side!

Anyway, I was given a load of new cheapo drills (Chinese or Taiwanese I suspect) which was a bad mistake! I could only manage 3 or 4 holes max before the drill broke, and that's using a decent drilling machine, at the correct speed, with everything jigged, and being uber careful!

I sourced some Eastern European drills locally (Polish if I recall) and these were better, managing 12 or so holes before breaking, and usable if I stopped after 10, but it wasn't an enjoyable process. The things felt crunchy all the time, as if they were on the verge of breaking!

I ended up using the one old Dormer drill I had in the correct size, and it was superb, cutting the remainder of the 200 holes without any issues! Felt good and was still usable afterwards!

So, decent drill bits are the way forward!

Dormer were good, maybe even the best, and I treasure the old ones I own, but they are no good now. The last one I tried was not even Eastern European 12 hole quality, and when I complained they suggested I needed one made from a higher grade of unobtainium, which I clearly didn't, given how the old ones performed!

So, what do I use now!

For metal drilling I have various other British makes such as Cintride and Presto, and all seem to be fine! I have also bought drills through MSC who used to offer U.S. made Cleveland drills which seemed to be as good!

I currently buy from a specialist supplier (Drill Services, Horley U.K. for the Brits here) and anything they supply me seems to be great. There is a lot of Guhring there, but also Spanish made, Japanese, and even South African if memory serves. No complaints!

For most jobs I use regular HSS bits. I wouldn't consider 10.9 particularly high tensile so I'd use them for that too, but just as important as the steel is the setup! Generally, when I'm drilling I'm using a bench drill or jig borer and everything is nicely controlled! Working on studs and suchlike, probably with a handheld tool is a much bigger ask and a much bigger risk of heating the drill, so I'd consider a Cobalt drill!

Use Cobalt anytime there's a risk of getting the thing too hot! Most if the makers listed above offer Cobalt as an option! Most also offer TiN coated too. These have a longer life and are fine for smaller drills you can't be bothered to sharpen, but I don't bother otherwise - and a TiN coated crappy drill bit is no better than any other crappy drill bit!

Finally, make life really easy by adding a squirt of cutting fluid! MSC, or any drill supplier, will have some. The drill cuts better and has a longer life with it!
 
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Ghuring, Sandvik Coromant, Iscar, and Seco are the top line. We have those at my machine shop and I am able to use the ones that are too dull for precision work.
 
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losvre

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Hi guys,

Thanks for the input so far, please keep feeding.

I have left handed drills for this specific reason but when a bolt is there over 15 years it does not really do much, I keep trying though. Almost in all instances I have to use the battery drill, so no bench.

I am talking about top drills that I would like to buy. I am in UK at the moment but visiting US in a couple of months and if ther is a superior bit I would like to know so I can buy.

My feeling for Dormer is mixed ( I also buy from Drill-service in Horley) with some very good and some not good at all. Actually the black oxidised, older one seems the best together with A002 HSS TiN, so far.

I have heard good things for Norsemen Magnum Super Premiums.

After watching some videos I am also thinking to get the following Prototal, anyone experienced these ones?.

http://www.prototal.ca/en/drill-bits?start=6

Thank you
Nik
 
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