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Pliers & Diagonal Cutters - Klein vs. Channellock

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Hey ya'll,

Anyone have any perspective on Klein vs. Channellock. Both seem very high quality. Klein is a little more money than Klein.

So does anyone have any solid reason to buy one over the other.
 
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Irwin power slot diagonal cutters are hands down the best I've used. They are easy to pick up at lowes and are made in germany


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Knipex > Klein & Channellock

If I hadn't already spent money on Klein & some Channellocks I would have bought all Knipex instead
 

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Channellock cutters aren't quite as hard as Klein Linemans and dykes, especially Klein's 2000 series cutters. The Channellocks are great for general purpose cutting but if any hard wire, screws ect is in store get the Klein 2000 series.
 

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I would say slip joints Channellock. Cutters strippers and crimpers Klein. Pretty much what's in my shop box and road bag. The 2000 series cutters are fantastic. Long nose I would say toss up. And the Knipex and Irwin recommendations are just like when you ask about tool boxes and specifically say I am not interested in the HF box people cant help themselves and keep on posting about it. Almost telling you that you are an idiot for not being interested in it.
 
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Well, I'm bias on this since I'm from Pa. But Channellock's have always worked without a fault for me and I'm still using their pliers I purchased back in the seventies.
 

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We try to point people down the best path. Of the two I'd say Klein. That said, Knipex is better than Klein or Channellock.

That's kind of a blanket statement. I would say from experience that Klein needle nose have superior gripping compared to Knipex. And I'm not the only one who will say this.
 

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That's kind of a blanket statement. I would say from experience that Klein needle nose have superior gripping compared to Knipex. And I'm not the only one who will say this.


I agree.

In the case of needlenose, SO>>Klein>>Chanellock>>Knipex>>HF.
 

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I love the Klein D2000 lineman and diagonal pliers. I prefer them to the other brands, even
Knipex. I prefer Klein strippers, as well.

For slip joint pliers, the SO Talon Grips are The best.

For groove joint pliers, Knipex Cobras and pliers wrench are much better than the other brands offerings.
 

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Irwin power slot diagonal cutters are hands down the best I've used. They are easy to pick up at lowes and are made in germany


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The Irwin branded NWS pliers are more $ than actual NWS pliers. Also, the power slot design does not open as wide as traditional diagonal cutters. I had a pair and returned them.

As far as pliers mentioned, most of the time I'd go Klein. I don't think Klein makes slip joint pliers, so Channellock is it. Their 2000 series cutters are better than Channellock. I also like Klein needle nose and lineman pliers.
 

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I agree.

In the case of needlenose, SO>>Klein>>Chanellock>>Knipex>>HF.

I have the SO and the Klein, I can go either way and be happy. I bought SO needle nose without a cutting section. I regret that.
 

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I didn't realize I was going to piss people off recommending a set of irwin cutters.


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I use to have all Channellock with a few Kleins. The majority of my tools were stolen and then I went Klein with a few Channellock. At the end of the day I prefer channellock pliers over Klein. I still like Klein nutdrivers the most though.

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OP,
It seems like a toss up between the Klein and the Channellock:
Both are high quality for the money
Both are made in USA
Both cost about the same, more or less

Maybe the question is: what are you planning to do with it? Pro use or home use?
Specific use information might get people talking about their success or failure with the tool in the situations you will be using it in. I think that is the information you are looking for. :thumbup:
 

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Pliers & Diagonal Cutters - Klein vs. Channellock

I recently had to put together a tool kit for some of my technicians to complete a specific project. The project required cutting a small hardened stainless strap. I tested every cutter I could get my hands on. Cost wasn't an issue. Labor savings quickly offset the cost of a good set of cutters. The Irwins were the clear winner. They even out performed the knipex mini bolt cutters. I bought 400 of them and distributed. I've not heard of a single complaint or failure. I'm a fan of Klein and own a lot of their tools, but they didn't hold up to the irwins. One pair of Klein cutters I tested failed on the first cut.

Here are a few of the ones tested.

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OP - I have the channel lock and are great for use around home like I have.
 

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That's kind of a blanket statement. I would say from experience that Klein needle nose have superior gripping compared to Knipex. And I'm not the only one who will say this.
Yeah, rereading, I was overly general. I was thinking of the cutters when I made the comment. It slipped my mind that pliers were asked about as well. I'm not a big fan of my Knipex needle-nose.

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The beauty about pliers of all types is there's tons of good brands out there to choose from. I have my favorites and go to's from all the major players. If you limit yourself to only one brand then you're majorly handicapping yourself.

Tongue and groove pliers? Channellock of course. It's what they do best.

Slip joint pliers? Snap On 137ACF 3 position combination pliers.

Needle nose? Klein for heavy duty, Snap On for specialty.

Diagonal cutters? Short: Klein 2000 series or Snap On 388CF. Long: Knipex 10" Extra long heavy duty: Snap On 312CF

Linemans? Klein 2000 series or nothing!

Crimpers? Ideal 30-429

Strippers? Klein or Ideal Stripmasters.

These are a just few of my favorites and is by far not a comprehensive list!
 

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oh yeah, and avoid the knipex lineman pliers too. Cutting regular 8/32 screws, my kleins have lasted years with no damage, knipex left notches in the cutting edges right away. For euro pliers it seems nws does a better heat treat to me
 

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Re: Pliers & Diagonal Cutters - Klein vs. Channellock

I recently had to put together a tool kit for some of my technicians to complete a specific project. The project required cutting a small hardened stainless strap. I tested every cutter I could get my hands on. Cost wasn't an issue. Labor savings quickly offset the cost of a good set of cutters. The Irwins were the clear winner. They even out performed the knipex mini bolt cutters. I bought 400 of them and distributed. I've not heard of a single complaint or failure. I'm a fan of Klein and own a lot of their tools, but they didn't hold up to the irwins. One pair of Klein cutters I tested failed on the first cut.

Here are a few of the ones tested.

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Thanks for sharing your project......I dont know if there has ever been a more comprehensive tool test...That pretty much ends all the speculation
 

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Between the two, Channellock cutters are not the same quality as kliens. Also, Klein now has their heavy duty cutters to pick from also. The jaws on channellock will not withstand cutting hard material and surviving. The problem with channellock is they use the same metal for everything they make. There is no difference in hardness of jaws between any model. That's fine if you're cutting copper wire, and general things - but one hard item will ruin the cutters.

Just to note, the heavy duty Kleins are not in that line up. The Fantastico (NWS/Irwin) cutters are very high quality, but they are really only good if you have a very specific need to cut something that's very hard and very thin. The increased leverage comes at the cost of jaw opening, and the bottom throats of the jaws are very small. Not being able to fit what you're cutting all the way down to the throat sacrifices leverage, thereby defeating the purpose of those specific pliers. Also, yours hands need to do a lot more work with them since the handles need to be opened almost twice as wide to get the same jaw opening as standard high leverage cutters.

A common issue with Kleins pliers are their needing a lot of time for the joint to be broken in, and while smoother when new, the cutters sometimes will have an issue with the jaws skipping over each other when a lot of pressure is applied. This is why channellock uses a cutter and anvil design on diagonals. One cutter tip is wider and flatter than the other, so the jaws cannot skip over each other..

The best all purpose cutters, the "gold standard" if you will, are the Knipex. There is no slop in the joint, the joint is still butter smooth when new, the jaws don't skip, and they are some of the hardest rated cutters that will actually deliver what they promise. Also, they are a straight head design, unlike the heavy duty Kleins that are slightly angled. Another difference are jaw shapes. The Klein are a little less wide, and come down more to a point. The Knipex jaws are also a bit longer than the Klein, so it will cut wider material with a single cut. While both points are not a big advantage for most people, they are worth noting. I've never NOT been able to cut something with my Knipex against a flush surface. The Knipex I use are the 8" models. They get used and abused at work and the cutters still look new and are still very sharp. I own and have tried most brands people would consider buying, and they are my favorite by far.

I know it's a preference thing, but I really don't like the wide grips on the Irwin. Especially work with gloves on. They don't fit into small pouches either due to the grips.

Anyway, for cutting thin stainless straps, I've always found tin snips to be the best. I use my Knipex diagonals all the time though, and just grabbing a two or three layered stainless strap, they will start the cut and I'll just use the jaws to rip them open the rest of the way. The cutters sustain no damage, and it's the stainless straps that will usually destroy inferior cutters. I ruined a brand new pair of channellock diagonals within 2 hours of using them the first time with those.

Also worth noting for the OP, many of the cutters in that lineup are for electronics, not really what I think most people are looking for. Some others are end nippers, not really something that will replace diagonals either.. one is a terminal crimper, another are ring nose pliers, another are bolt cutters, and one is either a cable or coax cutter. While it's a nice picture, there are only 3 "general sized" diagonals most people would consider buying as a dedicated diagonal cutter. Of those, one is the NWS/Irwin which I already mentioned, another is a 6" (I think) Knipex twin force I believe they are called, which will exhibit similar restrictions as the Irwins, and the last looks to be a well used pair of standard Kleins.

For home and general use, channellock will be fine, and they are more budget friendly too. For professional electrical use, Klein and Knipex will be better choices across the board.. when it comes to pump pliers and diagonal cutters especially, the Knipex alligators / cobras and diagonals offer some real advantages.. for automotive stuff I think the channellock pliers are fine too. I have channellock at home, and Knipex for work.. those are the choices I made based on my experiences using the tools. I don't own the Knipex needle nose pliers, but I believe they are designed to let the jaws flex opposed to Klein or channellock that use rigid jaws for those.
 
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I would go with knipex over channel lock and Klein for diagonal cutters and pliers

I bought a set for general cutters for tire repair at the shop first use chipped away cutters the metal used is not quite the same as knipex

And pliers I seem to like the slim cobra over channel lock tounge and groove and snap on 47acf talon grip are very good for general pliers my go to for general pliers
 

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Re: Pliers & Diagonal Cutters - Klein vs. Channellock

Thanks for sharing your project......I dont know if there has ever been a more comprehensive tool test...That pretty much ends all the speculation



I'm sure there has been more comprehensive tests. This was just my experience. Your welcome.


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Channellock cutters aren't quite as hard as Klein Linemans and dykes, especially Klein's 2000 series cutters...
That's more the information I was seeking. Anecdotally it seems that the Klein stuff may have been a bit harder, but I've never had the two side by side to really compare.
 
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...And the Knipex and Irwin recommendations are just like when you ask about tool boxes and specifically say I am not interested in the HF box people cant help themselves and keep on posting about it. Almost telling you that you are an idiot for not being interested in it.
I get it...I know they're just happy with their choices and trying to help; my comment was more just kinda busting their humps.

And I'm okay with HF stuff too, there's a time and place for it. For some tools, I think HF is much better quality than the tool snobs give them credit for. Over the past 20 years HF's quality has improved drastically during a time when Craftsman's quality and reputation has been going into the tank.

I have pliers, cutters, and slip joint pliers from HF and for the price I have to say, I'm getting WAY more than what I'm paying for. For my portable tool boxes, I'm very happy and confident with HF's better tools.

But there's a time and place for higher quality American made stuff too, and Channellock and Klein quickly come quickly to mind because those are some US made tools you can actually find on the shelves.

I have some Klein cutters, and Channellock pliers, but I've never tried CL cutters or Klein pliers. Guess I need to take them for a test drive.

What I love about Channellock & Klein is they are available on the shelves of many tool sellers, and I think their prices are VERY competitive.
 
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Well, I'm bias on this since I'm from Pa. But Channellock's have always worked without a fault for me and I'm still using their pliers I purchased back in the seventies.
Agreed. I have a 40 year old pair of CL slip groove pliers, and while they're not pretty to look at, they're every bit as tight as they day I first got them.
 
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OP,
It seems like a toss up between the Klein and the Channellock:
Both are high quality for the money
Both are made in USA
Both cost about the same, more or less

Maybe the question is: what are you planning to do with it? Pro use or home use?
Specific use information might get people talking about their success or failure with the tool in the situations you will be using it in. I think that is the information you are looking for. :thumbup:

Kinda how I see it also. Klein is as much as 30% more expensive on some tools vs. Channellock...but I doubt they're 30% better. In fact, on many tools it really appears to be a toss up completly.

And you're right, both are VERY well priced for the quality they deliver...that's refreshing where US made tools are concerned.

I'm not a pro at all. Work on my cars when they need it. Mostly I'm a gunsmith & machinist, not a mechanic. I work on motorcycles for fun and find it very enjoyable even though I'm not much of a mechanic.

Since I'm a weekend warrior, often I'm very happy with a higher quality piece from China. I'm often VERY impressed with the quality that comes out of Taiwan, and I can easily settle for Taiwanese tools.

But there are some hand tools that I just want US made quality. Pliers, screwdrivers, combination wrenches and ratchets...these I typically demand be US made. For sockets, I have found that you have to go SK or truck brand to walk away with something better than Pittsburgh Pro sockets...they are WAY better than they ought to be for what you pay for them. Still, even though their sockets are excellent, I just love seeing made in USA.
 
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Re: Pliers & Diagonal Cutters - Klein vs. Channellock

I recently had to put together a tool kit for some of my technicians to complete a specific project. The project required cutting a small hardened stainless strap. I tested every cutter I could get my hands on. Cost wasn't an issue. Labor savings quickly offset the cost of a good set of cutters. The Irwins were the clear winner. They even out performed the knipex mini bolt cutters. I bought 400 of them and distributed. I've not heard of a single complaint or failure. I'm a fan of Klein and own a lot of their tools, but they didn't hold up to the irwins. One pair of Klein cutters I tested failed on the first cut.

Here are a few of the ones tested.

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THANK YOU for your reply....

So I asked about Channellock or Klein because I can often find one or the other in town. I don't recall seeing the Irwin's though. I just did a quick Google and I'm seeing many in the price range typical of Chinese/Taiwan imports. Does Irwin have imported tools and a line of US made? If so, what are the US made ones called?

Again, thank you for your response; very useful information.
 

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As far as tounge and groove/pump pliers/channel locks go imy favorite ones are actually some NOS Napa professional brand pliers that I picked up for ten dollars a piece at a farmers appreciation tool sale in the spring. I wish I would have bought everything they had. They did say just because they don't sell Napa professional ones anymore they'd swap them out under warranty for the Carlyles. I don't know the COO for the Carlyle version (I'd guess Taiwan) but the Napa Professional ones are American made. I can't stand the Irwin/Vise-Grip channel locks almost entirely because of their unfamiliar ergonomics.

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Re: Pliers & Diagonal Cutters - Klein vs. Channellock

The Irwins were the clear winner. They even out performed the knipex mini bolt cutters.

For the record, the "Irwins" are re-labeled NWS cutters.

Buy the NWS version instead of patronizing Irwin.

I don't buy anything Irwin since they off-shored Vice Grips to china, closed the American factory, put a lot of people out of work and decimated a local economy.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26531610/
 
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Re: Pliers & Diagonal Cutters - Klein vs. Channellock

THANK YOU for your reply....



So I asked about Channellock or Klein because I can often find one or the other in town. I don't recall seeing the Irwin's though. I just did a quick Google and I'm seeing many in the price range typical of Chinese/Taiwan imports. Does Irwin have imported tools and a line of US made? If so, what are the US made ones called?



Again, thank you for your response; very useful information.



Your welcome.


The Irwins are readily available at Lowes.

https://m.lowes.com/pd/IRWIN-8-in-Cutting-Plier/50289489

It might be worth looking into the NWS branded version, but it's nice to be able to pick the Irwin ones up at lowes.


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For slip-joint: Channellocks.
For smaller gauge wiring: Klein yellow handles ( one of Kleins best set of pliers ).
For strength ( needlenose ): Snap On.
For sidecutters: Knipex ( hands down ).
Linemans: Klein.
 

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I have a drawer full of blue handles, and one old enough to not have blue handles. Some of them are relatively new, and some are hand-me-downs from my grandfather. I love them.

I've used the others, and they seem good enough as well.
 

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Re: Pliers & Diagonal Cutters - Klein vs. Channellock

For the record, the "Irwins" are re-labeled NWS cutters.

Buy the NWS version instead of patronizing Irwin.

I don't buy anything Irwin since they off-shored Vice Grips to china, closed the American factory, put a lot of people out of work and decimated a local economy.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26531610/

The ViseGrip plant was shut down when Irwin Tool and the related companies were owned by Newell Rubbermaid. Newell Rubbermaid did the same thing to a number of other brands they aquired. Since then, Stanley Black&Decker has purchased Newells Irwin Tool division and related brands. Stanley is supposedly going to bring some manufacturing back to the USA.
 
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