Smokeshow69
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Ok, thanks. I know the cork liner I placed in it did add some height so i just laid the socket down.
Plomb tool picture thread - show your stuff!
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Ok, thanks. I know the cork liner I placed in it did add some height so i just laid the socket down.
AK4570
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Here's the majority of my Plomb goodness...
First is an almost complete 5400T that I pulled out of an antique mall in NE Ohio back in January. The PO misplaced the 5421, 5424, 5431, and 5434 but added deep sockets in 7/8, 1, and 1 1/8... unfortunately, they've had a pipe wrench used on them (the deeps).
You'll have to ignore the Craftys hanging out in the upper corner... I picked them at the same time.
I dug through a couple of bucket-o'-sockets in the same area of Ohio and came up with an additional 1/2, 9/16, and 13/16 all 1/2" drive as well as a 13/16 spark plug socket with the rubber intact (3/8") (unpictured)
The next pic is my first pebble... Again, please ignore the interlopers!
I've definitely caught the Plomb bug and will be adding as I track more down!
Best regards,
John
First is an almost complete 5400T that I pulled out of an antique mall in NE Ohio back in January. The PO misplaced the 5421, 5424, 5431, and 5434 but added deep sockets in 7/8, 1, and 1 1/8... unfortunately, they've had a pipe wrench used on them (the deeps).
You'll have to ignore the Craftys hanging out in the upper corner... I picked them at the same time.
I dug through a couple of bucket-o'-sockets in the same area of Ohio and came up with an additional 1/2, 9/16, and 13/16 all 1/2" drive as well as a 13/16 spark plug socket with the rubber intact (3/8") (unpictured)
The next pic is my first pebble... Again, please ignore the interlopers!
I've definitely caught the Plomb bug and will be adding as I track more down!
Best regards,
John
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burnin53
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Nice set,AK.
Love that box.
Love that box.
SilverDeck
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Managed to snag this this morning on "the 'bay": Plomb matchbook marked with the name of Plomb president Morris B. Pendleton. Likely he handed these out as promotional calling cards similar to what he did with J100 keychain screwdrivers that were marked on the back with his name.
For comparions purposes, I'm also attaching an image of a similar matchbook cover (not mine) that is marked with the name of a Los Angeles auto parts suppliers.
For comparions purposes, I'm also attaching an image of a similar matchbook cover (not mine) that is marked with the name of a Los Angeles auto parts suppliers.
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Private Lugnutz
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Very nice acquisition, SD.
I would date that to 1943 to 1947 and no later than March 1948, when Plomb eradicated the term Plomb Tools, Plomb Streamlined Tools, and all other instances where "Plomb" could be misconstrued as a brand name, not a company name, from their marketing, replacing it on that very same yellow triangle, for example, with only the company name, and spelled without plumb bob O's, in an effort to forestall the Plumb suit.
I would date that to 1943 to 1947 and no later than March 1948, when Plomb eradicated the term Plomb Tools, Plomb Streamlined Tools, and all other instances where "Plomb" could be misconstrued as a brand name, not a company name, from their marketing, replacing it on that very same yellow triangle, for example, with only the company name, and spelled without plumb bob O's, in an effort to forestall the Plumb suit.
Smokeshow69
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Nice work! I recently saw a proto los angeles match book on ebay canada that was similar. I didn't but it but did think it was cool!
bmwrd0
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Nice set! I love that it has the socket clips and the cross-bar.
AK4570
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Thank you, Sir!
I've got to admit that I had little sweaty palm reaction when I saw it on the shelf...
It's missing a handful of pieces but for $15, there was no way I was leaving it there!As you mentioned, I'm tickled the crossbar is there, and I'm looking forward to chasing down the remaining pieces... need to do a little spot-welding on the case corner as well.
Best regards,
John
d42jeep
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Thank you, Sir!
I've got to admit that I had little sweaty palm reaction when I saw it on the shelf...
As you mentioned, I'm tickled the crossbar is there, and I'm looking forward to chasing down the remaining pieces... need to do a little spot-welding on the case corner as well.
Best regards,
John
Are there any markings on the crossbar? I would not expect to see any. I would like to see the manufacturers marks on the drive tools, if possible. Great set. Thanks.
-Don
AK4570
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Hi, Don.
I'm away from the tools until next month. I'll try to remember and get some good pics of the markings.
Thanks for the interest and best regards,
John
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I'm away from the tools until next month. I'll try to remember and get some good pics of the markings.
Thanks for the interest and best regards,
John
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Here is an opportunity, if you’re in the Gig Harbor WA area and want an 18” PLVMB Stillson.
No affiliation, and I’m about 2800 miles too distant for local pickup, LOL.
drivesitfar
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Lessor: it's about a 2 hour round trip plus a toll or ferry cost so i'm going to have to pass, but thanks for the heads up. also if you are checking for Plvmb wrenches and see some hand tools in PNW feel free to PM me cause I might be able to pick them up for you if I don't want them for myself.
I haven't been to an estate sale since long before Covid, but I don't miss the line ups at the door a bit. this auction style sounds interesting, but not sure i'd do it with every vendor cause I certainly didn't like all the companies around here.
I haven't been to an estate sale since long before Covid, but I don't miss the line ups at the door a bit. this auction style sounds interesting, but not sure i'd do it with every vendor cause I certainly didn't like all the companies around here.
From a small Indiana town Hardware store about 100 miles West of Louisville. All of the boards had very faded Proto stickers over the top of the Plomb ones. ( I know some on this board have already run into this) The Proto stickers were slightly larger top to bottom which explains the cleaner wood outline. I took a pic of a board with the Proto sticker still on and the Plomb just peeking out from a tear in the corner for documentation if anyone is interested.
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DD T/A
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You should return those. That what it says to do. 
r_olson_06
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Nice DOE board. How many did you pick up? Also what is the timeline of that sticker?
Looking for a Round Beam Plomb 1068 Double Box End Wrench
Smokeshow69
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Heck yeah, we are super interested to see the dual marked tool board logo
.... I am glad you got those... I thought you wouldnt be getting them for another month or so but sounds like those will be in the new owners hands in a few weeksRileysan
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The lineups are insane these days ... at least in Oregon. The sellers are only allowed X number of patrons indoors at a time and you have to wait until someone leaves. It's incredibly irritating!
bmwrd0
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It hasn't been as bad in the rest of Oregon, but I did my time in those lines the last couple trips to Portland. I usually try to arrive later so as not to deal with them, but no luck.
gpw_42
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Well played, Mr. X! When I was stationed in Korea, we used to love that movie. Now that I've been back in the States for....a while....it was probably because we were always at least a 6-pack in, by the end of the movie. Amazing how many actors/actresses there were in that flick who went on to much bigger careers.
Those Plvmb boards are awesome, nice score!
Lineups at sales here in NC sound pretty similar to Portland, at least early in the sale. Local sales here cancelled this weekend, as the cold/wet hit Thursday night (sales Friday and Saturday).
Thanks Roy. 3ish, (some hardware issues). timeline for tool boards sounds like a great project for someone on here.
Heck yeah, we are super interested to see the dual marked tool board logo
Here's some not great pics of the 2 other ones. Like I said, you can just see the corner of the Plomb sticker beneath the Proto one.
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drivesitfar
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Mr. X: did you take a road trip to pick those up in Indiana? or what is the preffered way to ship these odd shaped items?
Riley and all the guys from Oregon: is downtown Portland really as bad as it sounds on the news? while downtown is a construction zone and a ton more homeless camped in parks and on the sidewalks, i can still drive thru it, but it is a bit depressing.
no Plvmbs in a while so i'll get my Plomb love thru all of you for a bit.
Riley and all the guys from Oregon: is downtown Portland really as bad as it sounds on the news? while downtown is a construction zone and a ton more homeless camped in parks and on the sidewalks, i can still drive thru it, but it is a bit depressing.
no Plvmbs in a while so i'll get my Plomb love thru all of you for a bit.
We were heading up to Louisville anyway so the detour was a great excuse to go thru Nashville first. As for shipping,...Man, it would be a total hassle if boards got damaged in shipment. I'd be really hesitant to rely on someone to do it right....anyway, just missed the snowstorm......close one.
drivesitfar
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MR. X: sounds like a nice trip. stay safe down there in the land of PLVMB.
since Fastenal raised it rates cause too many poorly pallet shipping claims (I never had an issue and they'd get some stuff from Seattle to the east coast in 3 days) I haven't shipped anything in years now.
I hear Ebay has some sort of shipping deals if you are a seller, but if I shopped Ebay I'd have to get a divorce cause i'm sure if she also saw boxes showing up besides what I already bring home it's all over and no shouting.
cheers
since Fastenal raised it rates cause too many poorly pallet shipping claims (I never had an issue and they'd get some stuff from Seattle to the east coast in 3 days) I haven't shipped anything in years now.
I hear Ebay has some sort of shipping deals if you are a seller, but if I shopped Ebay I'd have to get a divorce cause i'm sure if she also saw boxes showing up besides what I already bring home it's all over and no shouting.
cheers
If I lived in the "land of PLVMB" that would have been a serious roadtrip and I sure wouldn't have had room in the car for the boards.
I'm just too lazy to deal with any non standard size shipping. Wish I wasn't.
drivesitfar
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sorry I wasn't talking about the boards i was talking OREGON in general cause it seems like there is more Plvmb there than around Los Angeles where the Plvmb factory was located. in fact rumor has it that you and the GJ boys have tried to buy it ALL.
both my grand dads were loggers and they both had a few Plvmb tools, but mostly CRAFTSMAN up here cause I think Boeing gave the guys and gals SEARS gift certs in their pay each week.
both my grand dads were loggers and they both had a few Plvmb tools, but mostly CRAFTSMAN up here cause I think Boeing gave the guys and gals SEARS gift certs in their pay each week.
Hi. One side of my family is Friday Harbor and then Alki Beach. I'll be in Portland by late Spring for a couple of months but I live in Atlanta. It's interesting that Plomb didn't have a bigger presence in Seattle. I know Cragin Tool sold Plomb I think their old building is still their down on 1st Ave South by the stadium.
drivesitfar
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about a mile south of the stadium was the big SEARS store that my dad used to take us about every week (he worked at Boeing). AND my parents bought a home in 1963 they still live in about 2 miles from Alki where I used to walk to baseball practice and to play at the beach.
I have found a few Plvmb things here, but there is not nearly as much as Craftsman and SK.
sorry I thought you lived in Portland, Oregon area.
you do get around it looks like and i've loved seeing some of the stuff you've collected.
best of luck on your trip out here this spring.
I have found a few Plvmb things here, but there is not nearly as much as Craftsman and SK.
sorry I thought you lived in Portland, Oregon area.
you do get around it looks like and i've loved seeing some of the stuff you've collected.
best of luck on your trip out here this spring.
Private Lugnutz
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Technically, it says "RETURNABLE ON DEMAND." When "the entire interest and good will of the business" was transferred from the Plomb Tool Company to Pendleton Tool Industries, Inc., and from PTII to Ingersoll-Rand, and from IR to Stanley, and then to Stanley Black & Decker, it included all property. So, unless Stanley Black & Decker asks for those boards back in a public notice, I think MR. X is entitled to them.You should return those. That what it says to do.
Hard to say how old the boards are. The O’s in the proprietary stamp on the back are round, but that’s not a branding, and the O's are plumb-bobs (‘PLVMB TVVLS’) on the original sticker, so no earlier than mid 1930’s.
The Proto sticker was almost certainly put on in 1949. These re-stickered boards are awesome historical artifacts of their massive re-branding campaign at that time. That is the second Proto TM ('PROTO'). It was registered on September 5, 1950. Plomb submitted the application for it on December 18, 1948, after they had shut down to re-tool for the ill-fated, short-lived, dual-marked Prvtv-Plvmb tools line, produced in 1949. The first Proto TM, which only appeared on paper products (ads, brochures, catalogs, stickers, packaging, etc) in late 1948, had the plumb-bob o's ('PRVTV’).
The 1949 merchandising program was serious, with legal ramifications. So serious that Plomb had a methodology in place to check on their distributors. They were sending cards out that hardware stores were supposed to return certifying that they had “covered or replaced obsolete trademark decals and signs with new PROTO TOOLS labels.” Delinquent stores were being re-contacted. Between “signage” and ads, they had “160,000,000 appearances” of the word “Plomb” not connected to “Tool Company” to convert. There’s no way to know for sure how long they were into the “twelve-month program” when tin medic’s Proto Tool News issue (Sep-Oct 49, Vol. 3, No. 5) was published, but given the reminding tone of it, it clearly wasn’t the first issue. My hunch is that the twelve months referenced is directly related to the year they were given to comply with the court order – which was end of February 1949 to end of February 1950. See my Lawsuit thread, post #5 for more.
Smokeshow69
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I couldn't agree more..it would be interesting to start a study on the evolution of plomb/proto tool boards... And dont forget the super cool P&C counter top variations before the merger. There is a "plomb/proto tool board thread" on here that had a bunch of boards from MontanaFordMan that were in a fire in his families hardware store... I was posting progress and updates of my replicas i created on there but no one was responding to that thread so I just stopped posting there and just was posting on here.
Smokeshow69
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That photo is good enough to see what lies underneath. How cool is that board!?!? I can't wait to see it in person.
Smokeshow69
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Drives- downtown Portland is a hell hole... it was a hell hole before last summer and with the events that proceeded, it is even worse. The city government has allowed a few individuals to dictate the environment that the rest of the law abiding citizens have to live in or to conduct them selves in. Businesses are leaving downtown because of how the city did nothing last summer in lieu of last summers anarchy... As usual, the only folks who pay for or are impacted by these things are the good citizens who pay their taxes and conduct themselves as adults.... The city is a wreck with trash, grafitti, homeless folks, etc. Not that I went down town much before but now I just avoid it. At the risk of sounding politicial- this is the same city government that canceled the swap meet , out doors which could be planned safely, but yet let riots go on for months in a pandemic
.... I could write pages on the current events of the city but I going to hold back 
RubiconJK
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Nice pick X! Congrats.
drivesitfar
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Smoke: while this thread isn't the place to talk about this stuff I agree that the SILENT MAJORITY need to stand up and be counted and put the criminals back in their places (which are not the front row of our nice cities using them like they wish for free).
best of luck with yours and we've got a similar situation up here.
speaking of SWAP MEET is it going to happen this April or is everything still locked down cause you guys always seem to come up with PLVMB stuff there?
ALL: have a great day everybody!!
now I know someone in my area must be selling some PLVMB today so I think i'll see if I can find some while i'm wiring up some heat and lights in my little garage.
best of luck with yours and we've got a similar situation up here.
speaking of SWAP MEET is it going to happen this April or is everything still locked down cause you guys always seem to come up with PLVMB stuff there?
ALL: have a great day everybody!!
now I know someone in my area must be selling some PLVMB today so I think i'll see if I can find some while i'm wiring up some heat and lights in my little garage.
d42jeep
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I am in favor of minimizing political commentary on the Garage Journal. I now avoid the Garage Gazette for that reason.
-Don
-Don
drivesitfar
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D42: AGREED!! I don't use other forums cause this one is just easier for me to use even though some of them have great people on them.
GJ is far from perfect, but i've grown to know a lot of you in your posts and some in person and it's a great place to talk about tools, DIY and our stuff.
let's always do our best to make this the place where we come to smile and learn and teach and use PM or emails to discuss how to fix the world!
GJ is far from perfect, but i've grown to know a lot of you in your posts and some in person and it's a great place to talk about tools, DIY and our stuff.
let's always do our best to make this the place where we come to smile and learn and teach and use PM or emails to discuss how to fix the world!
Rileysan
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Unfortunately, the big swap meet at the Portland Expo Center and Portland International Raceway have officially been cancelled already.