RubiconJK
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I've not seen another until now Don.
Plomb tool picture thread - show your stuff!
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I've not seen another until now Don.
r_olson_06
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Nice finds guys. Never seen a Plomb brake spoon. I have several Protos but no Plombs.
Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrenches 3061, 3070,
Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrenches 3061, 3070,
d42jeep
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Fortunately, most of the rust was just on the surface and it responded well to Evaporust.
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3baygarage
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Great results. 
sdeeter19555
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Just found these in my stash...
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bmwrd0
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Just found these in my stash...
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Wow, I have never seen with pebbling quite like that 1163. If you get a chance, can we get better pics?
sdeeter19555
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Cleaned them up a little, these have sentimental value...
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RubiconJK
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Looks great. Best part of my collection are tools that mean something to me.
sdeeter19555
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If I knew what "era", I would know what part of his life these came from...I'm guessing just prior to opening his own garage when he worked for a dealership.
My guess is that he left his "professional" tools (Snap-on and MAC) with the garage when he sold it and his old tools (the pieces he bought at the dealership) became his shop tools.
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My guess is that he left his "professional" tools (Snap-on and MAC) with the garage when he sold it and his old tools (the pieces he bought at the dealership) became his shop tools.
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Private Lugnutz
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What are you seeing that's different, Beemer?
r_olson_06
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Very neat wrenches. I believe they were only made 1 year with the dual stamp.
Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrenches 3061, 3070,
r_olson_06
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I think the pebble panels look bigger due to it being the 2nd biggest DBE wrench from that era.
Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrenches 3061, 3070,
r_olson_06
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Made some headway. About 75% through the move.
1st pic is an overall.
2nd pic is the DOEs
3rd pic is the 1/2" and 3/4" sockets
4th pic is my favorite. 9/16" drive sockets with apparently very early markings and longer tangs.
5th pic is non WF series ratchets.
6th pic is pebble breaker bars and some extensions.
Still to finish is some more drive tools, 3/8" and 1/4" sockets, special sockets, and contract tools.
Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrenches 3061, 3070,
1st pic is an overall.
2nd pic is the DOEs
3rd pic is the 1/2" and 3/4" sockets
4th pic is my favorite. 9/16" drive sockets with apparently very early markings and longer tangs.
5th pic is non WF series ratchets.
6th pic is pebble breaker bars and some extensions.
Still to finish is some more drive tools, 3/8" and 1/4" sockets, special sockets, and contract tools.
Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrenches 3061, 3070,
Does someone have a DUAL marked Plomb Proto 1163 to compare it to. Those Plomb only pebble PANELS must have had a shorter production window than the Prvtv mfd usa Plvmb tool co. wrenches.
RubiconJK
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Looking great Roy.
Private Lugnutz
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Ah. Might could be what he was referring to. I don't collect Pebble Field, per se, and the only ones I have picked up are smaller wrenches.
RubiconJK
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Its been somewhat of a dry spell for me, but I finally found another addition to part of my WF collection. WF 47 - 11/16" 1/2" drive 12 pt socket. Still missing a couple but getting closer.
Also showing a recently found 5224 - 3/4" 3/8" drive 12 pt socket that is the nicest, like new condition Plomb socket of any size I have ever seen.
I'll also post a couple Proto LA sockets and another interesting (to me) Proto socket over on the Proto thread.
Also showing a recently found 5224 - 3/4" 3/8" drive 12 pt socket that is the nicest, like new condition Plomb socket of any size I have ever seen.
I'll also post a couple Proto LA sockets and another interesting (to me) Proto socket over on the Proto thread.
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r_olson_06
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Nice find on that WF. I am running into the same issue. Once the list is thinned down it gets hard to fill gaps. I think I am going on 6 months with out a pebble wrench addition. According to Stormking it took him 3 years to find his final wrench. 3 years!
Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrenches 3061, 3070,
RubiconJK
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Thanks. I guess this is when "patience is truly a virtue"! I think I have a pretty good eye for this stuff when digging around at sales in pails or boxes full of sockets, but I can't help but wonder if I've ever touched one of something I need and missed it!! Lol.
r_olson_06
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Haha glad to someone has the same perception I have. Mine is always I am at the wrong sale or just missed it at the swap meet.
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sdeeter19555
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If you note that photo has an 1162 Proto/Plomb dual marking...I would imagine the 1163 would be similar?
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Hi .I think that's my point. One would imagine they would be similar... Are they?
When Plomb went from Plomb FULL pebble to dual marked Proto Plomb tool co. with pebble PANELS there was apparently a short period inbetween where they produced Plomb with pebble PANELS. There's a smaller sample size of these and these posts made me wonder if the seemingly proportionately larger
panel on your 1163 was continued to the Proto Plomb versions or if it was scaled down a little. Yours just seems a little large but maybe it's because I don't remember the last time I saw one on that size.
sdeeter19555
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I posted it in a separate thread, was trying to figure that one out too...and with some help I did.
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sdeeter19555
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The panel for the 1162 is smaller...the size designation is smaller also.
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Bro, I'm not listening to this thread on the radio....I can see the pics. Again, just wondering if someone has a dual marked 1163 we can compare your 1163 to.The panel for the 1162 is smaller...the size designation is smaller also.
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bmwrd0
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The panel for the 1162 is smaller...the size designation is smaller also.
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Sorry it took so long to get back to this, but if you look at the duel marked wrench on left vs. the Plomb in the center, the pebble window size is different, the font in that window is different and most import, the font for the main script (the brand name and model number) is different. Also, that window has rounded corners as opposed to the square corners of the other two. And the proportions are different.
Private Lugnutz
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Got it, Beemer. Thanks. I'm not sure about a font difference, but I do see what you mean about the rounded corners, and Roy pointed out the size (of the panel) difference and MR. X has been getting after it...
My thoughts, FWIW...
An 1162 and an 1163 are very close in size (OAL, beam width). And let's remember that they even share an opening size: 1-7/16"! Even though Deeter's 1162 is a Plomb-Proto DBE wrench with pebbled size panels and his 1163 is a Plomb-only DBE wrench with pebbled size panels, they both have a pebbled size panel with a forged-in "1-7/16" marking. There's no physical reason the 1163 would warrant that much of a larger pebbled size panel. The size of the pebbled size panels on Plomb-Proto and Proto-only DBE's increase as the wrenches get bigger, to maintain the same proportional style consistency for the size of the pebbled size panel to the beam of the wrench. But that's not what's happening here I don't think.
A Plomb-Proto 1163 with pebbled size fields, as MR. X is asking for, would prove that.
But, conversely, so would a Plomb-only 1162 with pebbled size fields.
And taken to its logical conclusion, so would any two wrenches of the same size (1120 through 1164) from both Plomb-only and Plomb-Proto production runs.
So, who's got 'em?!
My money is on Plomb moving from the full-shank pebbled panel on Plomb-only wrenches in 1946 to the pebbled size panels on Proto-only wrenches in 1950 in two stages: Plomb-only with XL-sized pebbled size panels and then Plomb-Proto with much smaller size pebbled size panels.
My thoughts, FWIW...
An 1162 and an 1163 are very close in size (OAL, beam width). And let's remember that they even share an opening size: 1-7/16"! Even though Deeter's 1162 is a Plomb-Proto DBE wrench with pebbled size panels and his 1163 is a Plomb-only DBE wrench with pebbled size panels, they both have a pebbled size panel with a forged-in "1-7/16" marking. There's no physical reason the 1163 would warrant that much of a larger pebbled size panel. The size of the pebbled size panels on Plomb-Proto and Proto-only DBE's increase as the wrenches get bigger, to maintain the same proportional style consistency for the size of the pebbled size panel to the beam of the wrench. But that's not what's happening here I don't think.
A Plomb-Proto 1163 with pebbled size fields, as MR. X is asking for, would prove that.
But, conversely, so would a Plomb-only 1162 with pebbled size fields.
And taken to its logical conclusion, so would any two wrenches of the same size (1120 through 1164) from both Plomb-only and Plomb-Proto production runs.
So, who's got 'em?!
My money is on Plomb moving from the full-shank pebbled panel on Plomb-only wrenches in 1946 to the pebbled size panels on Proto-only wrenches in 1950 in two stages: Plomb-only with XL-sized pebbled size panels and then Plomb-Proto with much smaller size pebbled size panels.
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bmwrd0
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So, to go back to this picture, the one I initially commented on, if you look at the two dual marked wrenches, they have a common font on the main section of the beam; ie the maker's name and model number. But if you look at the contested middle wrench, it has the font that was common before and during the war.Just found these in my stash...
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I'm thinking that this was a late '41 wrench with a design that was put on hold/scrapped when the war started. I believe it was you Lugz who has stated that Plomb went to the pebble at the end of the war, producing the non-chromed versions. Then we have the dual marked versions, which have the small, square pebble field. As seen in this picture.
Because, why would they go back to this old font when they have already changed it?
So you're saying that you think, instead of the Plomb only PANELS being produced between the full pebble Plombs and the Proto/ Plomb PANELS that they came (well) before the full pebble Plombs. Is that right?
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twertsy
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That's what I read. Sure has the wartime font stamping. But, no date code.....
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bmwrd0
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Yes, that is what I am thinking.
And if they had a date code, it would save us a whole heap of trouble!
And if they had a date code, it would save us a whole heap of trouble!
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Private Lugnutz
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Hmm. I see what you're saying and that's interesting. A little odd, though, also, since they were already making ratchets, hinge handles, flare nut wrenches, and puller bodies with full pebble panels (i.e., the forged-in Plomb branding on a pebble field as a complete die) since 1944. Why wouldn't they apply the same approach to the DBEs (and ostensibly, to the DOEs and combos) in 1946? This theory would mean they first made wrenches with forged-in opening size pebble panels only, with stamped branding, then full pebble panels with forged-in branding and opening sizes, then they went back to forged-in opening size pebbled panels only and stamped Plomb-Proto branding.
I'd have to go review all the various pebble variants.
Todd,
During my Pebble Plomb Period Timeline study, you did some ad research to confirm my catalog analysis and conclusions that Plomb started making some pebbled tools (again, drive tools and flare nut wrenches) as early as 1944. At the same time, you looked into wrenches and discovered ads as early as 3/46. Do you still have the ads? Were they full pebbled panels or what?
I'd have to go review all the various pebble variants.
Todd,
During my Pebble Plomb Period Timeline study, you did some ad research to confirm my catalog analysis and conclusions that Plomb started making some pebbled tools (again, drive tools and flare nut wrenches) as early as 1944. At the same time, you looked into wrenches and discovered ads as early as 3/46. Do you still have the ads? Were they full pebbled panels or what?
I appreciate your original theory bit but at the risk of saying something dumb let me just think out loud here...your theory is Plomb panel, Plomb War, Plomb full peb, Plomb/Proto dual panel, Proto LA. panel?.....hmmm. "why go back to the old font when they had already changed it?" maybe they decided to go to panels so they'd have the flexibility to change the stamp quickly depending on certain events beyond their control which the full pebble design wouldn't allow and so the easiest thing to do was manufacture the wrenches with just the pebbled panels and a blank shaft
and then just go with the old font until... This doesn't mean your timeline couldn't be right but it might explain going "back to the old font'.
and then just go with the old font until... This doesn't mean your timeline couldn't be right but it might explain going "back to the old font'.
Private Lugnutz
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I figured that since we are saying pretty much the same thing.
The "certain events" which might cause a blank shank was the Plumb lawsuits still hanging over their heads. And there is much precedence for it in how they handled the adjustables and pipe wrenches. Everything was forged in by J.P. Danielson except the branding. That was always stamped. Plomb on one side, Proto on the other. They must've been tired of grinding! HAHA
But it's an interesting dilemma. I'm waiting to hear from Todd and what the pebbled wrenches in the early 1946 ads looked like.
The "certain events" which might cause a blank shank was the Plumb lawsuits still hanging over their heads. And there is much precedence for it in how they handled the adjustables and pipe wrenches. Everything was forged in by J.P. Danielson except the branding. That was always stamped. Plomb on one side, Proto on the other. They must've been tired of grinding! HAHA
But it's an interesting dilemma. I'm waiting to hear from Todd and what the pebbled wrenches in the early 1946 ads looked like.