Plomb tool picture thread - show your stuff!

[rickhigginshtbr]

Estate sale finds! Sort of.

So I hit up an estate sale 3 weeks ago because I spotted these in the pile of wrenches. Went over and only found the smallest one (the 3050). Was partially bummed, but got a lot of other goodies too. Last night, the other 4 pop up on Facebook a mile from where the estate sale was. I get there today to pick them up, first words out of my mouth we’re “you beat me to that estate sale down the street a couple weeks ago”. The guy laughed, said yea, told him that was the main reason why I went to it to begin with. And brought them home, making him a nice profit.

No, not for sale, don’t ask


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[r_olson_06]

Estate sale finds! Sort of.

So I hit up an estate sale 3 weeks ago because I spotted these in the pile of wrenches. Went over and only found the smallest one (the 3050). Was partially bummed, but got a lot of other goodies too. Last night, the other 4 pop up on Facebook a mile from where the estate sale was. I get there today to pick them up, first words out of my mouth we’re “you beat me to that estate sale down the street a couple weeks ago”. The guy laughed, said yea, told him that was the main reason why I went to it to begin with. And brought them home, making him a nice profit.

No, not for sale, don’t ask


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You tease. I have been looking for the 3061 for 3 years now. If ever want to sell it or trade it let me know!!! That is some nice big Pebble DOEs. Good work.

Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrench 3061

 

[Oldtuleguy]

That's where I keep my proto penens stuff

 

[Smokeshow69]

That's where I keep my proto penens stuff

Very nice corporate pressteel roller!


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[Oldtuleguy]

Thanks smoke. Had a lot of fun refinishing it.

 

[bmwrd0]

OTG, I have that same stack in my basement hoard. Well, the roller is silver-colored anyway.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Very nice stack!

 

[RagTopTA]

Anybody have any info or comments?\
Gotta be Plomb...

I have quite a few Paschalll hammers. I believe Plomb bought Paschall in 28. they also made the P&c hammers as well.

 

[twertsy]

Few more shots. Sockets follow same numbering scheme.

Neat set OTG.........

 

[RagTopTA]

Heres my Plomb,Paschall hammer drawer! so what do we know about Fleet Hammers? I have one somewhere... I was thinking it may have been Paschall as well...

 

[r_olson_06]

Heres my Plomb,Paschall hammer drawer! so what do we know about Fleet Hammers? I have one somewhere... I was thinking it may have been Paschall as well...

That is quite a bit of hammers. That brass one looks mint!

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[r_olson_06]

I have finally finished out my 1/2" drive board with the addition of this 1-1/16" deep with the cross bar hole.

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[RagTopTA]

I have finally finished out my 1/2" drive board with the addition of this 1-1/16" deep with the cross bar hole.

Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrench 3061

Yea I dont think it was ever really used. that Board looks awesome!!

 

[RubiconJK]

I have finally finished out my 1/2" drive board with the addition of this 1-1/16" deep with the cross bar hole.

Nice job Roy. Congrats.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I believe Plomb bought Paschall in 28.

According to page 232, Vol 17, of the periodical Western Machinery & Steel, it was 1926. But the 1928 catalog (No. 8) was the first Plomb catalog in which a Paschall hammer appears (p. 22), accompanied by a notice that Paschall Tool Co. was now owned by Plomb, which is probably where you got the 1928 date from. It is a fender hammer, by the way, not a ball-pein. I've seen it said here many times that Plomb acquired Paschall for their ball-pein hammers, and that's what the Proto website says, as well as the Van Atta Brothers website, but the catalogs don't bear that out. In fact, there were no ball-pein hammers in the 1928, 1929, or 1931 Plomb catalogs. The Paschall hammers in those catalogs are body hammers. As far as I can tell, the Paschall ball-pein hammers appear for the first time in Catalog No. 11 (1932). Throughout the 1930's and 1940's catalogs all the ball-pein hammers are Paschall brand, and all the body hammers are routine Plomb. The last catalog to feature Paschall ball-pein hammers is No. 19-A, which I date to NET 4/43 to at least 1/44. None of the 19-R catalogs in the public domain (4th Printing, Reprint) include Paschall hammers and I have dated those to 1944/1945 through at least 3/1948.

Paschal was plombs hammer branding. Part of the original law suit was plomb agreeing not to make hammers with the plomb name on them as plumb was making ball peins then.

Do you have a document or reference source for this, Smoke? I am not challenging you, I am curious and would like to read further. If it's the Proto website or the Van Atta Brothers website, I have seen those, but they don't provide any document or reference source. What I find strange is that none of the court proceedings and reports I have read from the 1947 Plumb suit, the 1948 Plumb contempt of court filing, and the 1949 Plomb appeal mentions anything about hammers, Paschall, or prior rights agreements. The language pertaining to tools is generic, diverse and inclusive of any and all tools, not precise and exclusive to hammers or even striking tools as a type, which Plumb was primarily known for.

 

[RagTopTA]

Yup thats what I thought Lugz! I wonder... did Paschall ever put out any kinda of catalog of their tools before being acquired by Plomb? I did see a Paschall body/fender hammer on eBay a while back and failed to get it. I was a bit mad I forgot about it and it went way cheap.

 

[Randall3rd]

Here are some bigger sockets I came across. Largest is 2”.

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[r_olson_06]

Nice job Roy. Congrats.

Yea I dont think it was ever really used. that Board looks awesome!!

Thanks Guys!

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[Private Lugnutz]

Yup thats what I thought Lugz! I wonder... did Paschall ever put out any kinda of catalog of their tools before being acquired by Plomb?

I don't know, but they did advertise in trade journals. All of the examples I found were locked, though, so I couldn't actually see or read them. I will do an unlock request with Google Books. Their biggest claim to fame seems to have been a milling attachment for a lathe, which Plomb advertised in a few early catalogs.

I just went though a whole mess of the lawsuit articles I saved away for my Lawsuit Tools thread to make sure I didn't miss anything, and the only references to Plumb prior to 1947 that I can find is to Plumb's legal actions to scuttle Plomb's attempt to trademark their name in 1926. (Which, by the way, also contradicts the "history" reported on the Van Atta and Proto sites implying that failure to trademark the name was just an oversight by the three founders who were focused on their craft.)

 

[btrnuthatch]

While I enjoy everyone's exploits, I don't post much. But since I never expected to find a "O" / rope socket, I decided to share. It's not in the greatest shape but I suppose a wizard (not me) could clean it up to respectability -- 1/2" drive, 8 pt.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Great find on a rare socket

 

[r_olson_06]

While I enjoy everyone's exploits, I don't post much. But since I never expected to find a "O" / rope socket, I decided to share. It's not in the greatest shape but I suppose a wizard (not me) could clean it up to respectability -- 1/2" drive, 8 pt.

Nice find on the socket.

Looking for the following Plomb Pebbles Wrench 3061

 

[Catfishdan]

Just a few new goodies from the flea today. A wf-76 universal, a 3030 doe, a 5/8” proto LA line wrench, and another S.R. Socket. His one is 3/8” drive 1/2”.

 

[Catfishdan]

Here’s a set I’ve been working on that is slow going. 1/2” DD sockets with the plain finish. I’ve got DD-14 through DD-7 except for the 10 and 11. I threw the rope braid in there because it’s an oddball DD 10&1/2.

 

[r_olson_06]

Here’s a set I’ve been working on that is slow going. 1/2” DD sockets with the plain finish. I’ve got DD-14 through DD-7 except for the 10 and 11. I threw the rope braid in there because it’s an oddball DD 10&1/2.

Nice ropes. I tried for the set on the bay but went too rich for me. Hope someone here snagged them and will post them up.

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[Smokeshow69]

According to page 232, Vol 17, of the periodical Western Machinery & Steel, it was 1926. But the 1928 catalog (No. 8) was the first Plomb catalog in which a Paschall hammer appears (p. 22), accompanied by a notice that Paschall Tool Co. was now owned by Plomb, which is probably where you got the 1928 date from. It is a fender hammer, by the way, not a ball-pein. I've seen it said here many times that Plomb acquired Paschall for their ball-pein hammers, and that's what the Proto website says, as well as the Van Atta Brothers website, but the catalogs don't bear that out. In fact, there were no ball-pein hammers in the 1928, 1929, or 1931 Plomb catalogs. The Paschall hammers in those catalogs are body hammers. As far as I can tell, the Paschall ball-pein hammers appear for the first time in Catalog No. 11 (1932). Throughout the 1930's and 1940's catalogs all the ball-pein hammers are Paschall brand, and all the body hammers are routine Plomb. The last catalog to feature Paschall ball-pein hammers is No. 19-A, which I date to NET 4/43 to at least 1/44. None of the 19-R catalogs in the public domain (4th Printing, Reprint) include Paschall hammers and I have dated those to 1944/1945 through at least 3/1948.


Do you have a document or reference source for this, Smoke? I am not challenging you, I am curious and would like to read further. If it's the Proto website or the Van Atta Brothers website, I have seen those, but they don't provide any document or reference source. What I find strange is that none of the court proceedings and reports I have read from the 1947 Plumb suit, the 1948 Plumb contempt of court filing, and the 1949 Plomb appeal mentions anything about hammers, Paschall, or prior rights agreements. The language pertaining to tools is generic, diverse and inclusive of any and all tools, not precise and exclusive to hammers or even striking tools as a type, which Plumb was primarily known for.

Lugz- I think it was the vanatta brothers web site but I can’t remember? It has been along time since I checked. I do like the discussion and references that are being discussed! Always good for the hobby to double check our sources as we have uncovered some of the incorrect holdings about plomb over the years.


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[DD T/A]

Latest finds. Old school 1236 and a beat up 3041

 

[d42jeep]

My only Plomb find for the week was this Chrome 3/4” socket.
-Don

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Lugz- I think it was the vanatta brothers web site but I can’t remember?

Thanks. I may try to do some more digging.

 

[Username already in use]

My only Plomb find for the week was this Chrome 3/4” socket.

That pre-War Plomb chrome was really nice.

 

[Outlawmws]

According to page 232, Vol 17, of the periodical Western Machinery & Steel, it was 1926. But the 1928 catalog (No. 8) was the first Plomb catalog in which a Paschall hammer appears (p. 22), accompanied by a notice that Paschall Tool Co. was now owned by Plomb, which is probably where you got the 1928 date from. It is a fender hammer, by the way, not a ball-pein. I've seen it said here many times that Plomb acquired Paschall for their ball-pein hammers, and that's what the Proto website says, as well as the Van Atta Brothers website, but the catalogs don't bear that out. In fact, there were no ball-pein hammers in the 1928, 1929, or 1931 Plomb catalogs. The Paschall hammers in those catalogs are body hammers. As far as I can tell, the Paschall ball-pein hammers appear for the first time in Catalog No. 11 (1932). Throughout the 1930's and 1940's catalogs all the ball-pein hammers are Paschall brand, and all the body hammers are routine Plomb. The last catalog to feature Paschall ball-pein hammers is No. 19-A, which I date to NET 4/43 to at least 1/44. None of the 19-R catalogs in the public domain (4th Printing, Reprint) include Paschall hammers and I have dated those to 1944/1945 through at least 3/1948.


Do you have a document or reference source for this, Smoke? I am not challenging you, I am curious and would like to read further. If it's the Proto website or the Van Atta Brothers website, I have seen those, but they don't provide any document or reference source. What I find strange is that none of the court proceedings and reports I have read from the 1947 Plumb suit, the 1948 Plumb contempt of court filing, and the 1949 Plomb appeal mentions anything about hammers, Paschall, or prior rights agreements. The language pertaining to tools is generic, diverse and inclusive of any and all tools, not precise and exclusive to hammers or even striking tools as a type, which Plumb was primarily known for.

Yup thats what I thought Lugz! I wonder... did Paschall ever put out any kinda of catalog of their tools before being acquired by Plomb? I did see a Paschall body/fender hammer on eBay a while back and failed to get it. I was a bit mad I forgot about it and it went way cheap.

I don't know, but they did advertise in trade journals. All of the examples I found were locked, though, so I couldn't actually see or read them. I will do an unlock request with Google Books. Their biggest claim to fame seems to have been a milling attachment for a lathe, which Plomb advertised in a few early catalogs.

I just went though a whole mess of the lawsuit articles I saved away for my Lawsuit Tools thread to make sure I didn't miss anything, and the only references to Plumb prior to 1947 that I can find is to Plumb's legal actions to scuttle Plomb's attempt to trademark their name in 1926. (Which, by the way, also contradicts the "history" reported on the Van Atta and Proto sites implying that failure to trademark the name was just an oversight by the three founders who were focused on their craft.)

Lugz- I think it was the vanatta brothers web site but I can’t remember? It has been along time since I checked. I do like the discussion and references that are being discussed! Always good for the hobby to double check our sources as we have uncovered some of the incorrect holdings about plomb over the years.


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Thanks. I may try to do some more digging.

Lugz, Here is a thought - Maybe It was per the early agreement between Plvmb and Plumb to not make/brand hammers Plvmb, and then Plvmb pushed things? But it might make sense that the Paschall was the "proto Empire" hammer brand?

So a peak at court docs might avail something?

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Maybe It was per the early agreement between Plvmb and Plumb to not make/brand hammers Plvmb, and then Plvmb pushed things? But it might make sense that the Paschall was the "proto Empire" hammer brand?

This, in far less interrogative terms, is essentially what the old Ed Buidinot Plomb site (now hosted by the Van Atta Brothers website) claims. Also what the Proto History website claims. My questions and concerns about that have been re-quoted several times now, so I won't bother repeating myself again.

So a peak at court docs might avail something?

Yes, that's what I meant when I said I will be trying to do some more digging. Notlob, an attourney by trade, was supposed to be trying to use his resources to try to locate as many as he could, but he has been incommunicado for some time now.

 

[Provincial]

Just to be accurate, it is the Van Natta website.

http://www.vannattabros.com/plomb/plombtool.html

 

[Username already in use]

1946 Plomb employee "Handbook for Plomb People"
Cover:

History:

Plant:

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Nice literature!

 

[Smokeshow69]

Nice literature!

Yes! Agreed. Wondering where he got that hand book?


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[Username already in use]

Nice literature!

Thanks! ~45 pages of company policies...

Yes! Agreed. Wondering where he got that hand book?

eBay of course...

Foreword by Morris Pendelton:

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Rule #17: Never leave the premises with tools, even if they're in the "seconds" bin.

 

[tym]

Thanks! ~45 pages of company policies...


eBay of course...

Foreword by Morris Pendelton:

I thought the intent of (any) company was to make moolah for the shareholders and C-suite?

That said, my current employer delivers similar platitudes...

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Not much has changed there!