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Plumbers, do PVC fittings "go bad"....

bandit067

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Guys, finally bought the place next door and have been cleaning up. The PO, before he died, was a plumber and I have found literally hundreds of PVC fittings of all sizes, not used, laying all over the place. Bucketfulls laying out at the edge of the woods, in the dirt all along the edge of the trailer, I mean, most have been out in the weather for at least ten years..maybe.

I have picked up most of the them and soaked the dirty ones in water. I think I could use them for non pressurized drain lines ok, but what about using them in pressurized water lines.
If their cleaned and "sanded" would the PVC glue still provide a good, lasting, joint "melt".....
 
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Falcon67

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I've had spare PVC fittings in a big box for many years and never had a problem using one on a pressure line like water at 50 PSI. But they were stored indoors. Stuff laying in the yard for years would be suspect IMHO.
 

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I've noticed that even installed in a home and used a number of years they become brittle over time. Not a plumber, just wish I made the same money they do. :lol_hitti
 

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older PVC will degrade from UV light and seriously compromise its strength. I think most newer stuff has UV inhibitors.

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rlitman

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I believe that white plumbing PVC will degrade in the sunlight and become brittle...

Yes indeed. UV causes chalking of white PVC pipe, which can affect the glue up (though I wouldn't expect as much chalking INSIDE a fitting). It can also cause brittleness. PVC also leaches plasticizers over time even in the dark by reacting to numerous chemicals (especially oils), which also increases brittleness.

As for whether or not the old fittings are good, the best I can say is to try them...
 

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Guy's; read the PDF I linked to. It basically says it's OK to use.

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Rod N

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If there are that many I would sell them on Craig's list and use the money to buy the few new ones as the need arises.
 

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My personal experience is two part. PVC does get brittle across time whether or not it is exposed to light. Sprinkler systems that my dad installed when I was a kid are now surprisingly easily broken when encountered with a shovel. As a result, I never use 1/2" pipe, and the couple times I have installed new residential water mains, I have gone 1.5" just so there is a bit more plastic there.

The second bit of wisdom, not all PVC is created equal. I have seen fittings stored in a drawer in the garage start to yellow over time. I have seen fittings in use but exposed to sun, in a period of just a couple years, become so brittle they shatter if you hit them with a hammer, leaving the underlying pipe undamaged. That shouldn't be possible. As a result I only buy fittings from recognized brands such as NIBCO, DURA and LASCO. LASCO is my long time favorite. I take the same approach to the pipe itself. Touch enough of it and you can tell, some just doesn't feel right. Fortunately, I really haven't seen the bad stuff in a while. Maybe we got smart and stopped importing it.

In your specific situation, if it was outdoors, I'd relegate it to use in sprinkler systems (which is what I do with my older parts) and perhaps drains, as you suggested. We don't use PVC for drains here, so I don't come across larger fittings very often.

Basically what it comes down to for me, if the quality of the work matters, why would you want to risk trouble with an unknown fitting? Fittings are cheap compared with the potential headache of a failure.

I should add, there are three types of pipe that I deal with here. The traditional white PVC without UV inhibitors and the grey (typically for electrical work) and 'pinky beige' varieties with UV inhibitors. The 'pinky beige' is much less common but used for above ground, generally temporary, sprinkler systems and water supply lines. I only mention it because it could easily be mistaken for 'sunburned' white. There is also purple for recycled water, but I doubt you'll be coming across much of that.
 
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manwithtools

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Simple answer - Yes.
Complicated answer - It Depends.

Does that help?

Seriously, the amount of UV exposure and the type of "PVC" has a great impact of the variable "go bad".

They will get brittle with expose to UV, the effect is quite variable.
 

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Even brand new PVC is not suitable for pressurized water supply lines.
 

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Even brand new PVC is not suitable for pressurized water supply lines.

Actually it is for cold water and they also have CPVC for hot and cold, both are terrible choices for anything other than drains and vents in my opinion having had to tear open wall to repair CPVC failures.
 
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bandit067

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Thanks Guys, some good info. I have an office/ kitchen area in my shop framed up and will be adding additional plumbing work soon. Not sure why Gerald O said pvc not suitable for cold water use, they use it a lot here down south. I have used it in the past but have changed over to using PEX in my new shop. I am sure I can use some of these fitting for drain use and will see how they 'glue up". Anytime I install plumbing I pay attention of how accessible the piping is in case of problems in the future. Easier in a shop than a house. thanks again....
 
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