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red vette mike

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I wanted a bathroom in my garage and I plumbed it for same. I knew getting the waste water from this site behind my house was going to be a problem. There is not enough "fall" so I am going to have to put in some sort of sewage pump in order to pump the waste water to the front. The city inspector might let me put in some sort of 'treatment' system that treats the waste and them pumps it to sprinkler heads some place in my yard (my house sits on 3 acres). Any of you good folks had any type of similar problems? I would appreciate any advise. Using a 'guided boring' machine has been mentioned. I sure that ain't cheap.
Mike
 
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red vette mike said:
I wanted a bathroom in my garage and I plumbed it for same. I knew getting the waste water from this site behind my house was going to be a problem. There is not enough "fall" so I am going to have to put in some sort of sewage pump in order to pump the waste water to the front. The city inspector might let me put in some sort of 'treatment' system that treats the waste and them pumps it to sprinkler heads some place in my yard (my house sits on 3 acres). Any of you good folks had any type of similar problems? I would appreciate any advise. Using a 'guided boring' machine has been mentioned. I sure that ain't cheap.
Mike

I assume that you have a conventional septic system for the house?

Ask them if you can put in a 500 gal 2 chambered tank at the garage and use a pump to move the grey water to your d box. It's normally cheaper to pump water than......

William...
 
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red vette mike

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W-Cummins said:
I assume that you have a conventional septic system for the house?

Ask them if you can put in a 500 gal 2 chambered tank at the garage and use a pump to move the grey water to your d box. It's normally cheaper to pump water than......

William...

William: I am on the City sewer system. The garage additon is in the rear of my house and I need to get the wastewater to the front to tie in to my existing sewer pipe. I can likely do some sort of 'guided bore' (but I am sure this costs mega bucks) or I can trench around the west end of the house (probably 250 ft-that ain't going to be cheap either). I hope the city inspector will take pitty on me and perhaps let me put in a treatment system.
I am nearly through so I have to come to grips with the situation. I have not bought or put in any fixtures in the bathroom yet so one idea is to not do it at all. However, I have two floor drains in the garage (for washing cars) and I would still have to get that water out. (The inspector doesn't know about those two drains and I think I will keep him in the dark about them).
Mike
 

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it shouldn't be that expensive to rent a ditch witch and dig the trench. then you could use a regular sump pump to pump the waste.
 
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Nothing wrong with a lift station. Run the pipe as far as you can then dump into a concrete or plastic cylinder burried in the ground. You can place it right up by your house so you can run electricity to it really easy and also not have a big 36 inch concrete lid out in the middle of your yard. From there it is pumped up to the top and continues on its journey to your sewer line. I would go that route myself. The ariation systems are kind of a hastle. Here in illinois you have to have a service contract which costs money itself. And that contract basically states that every 6 months it must be pumped, cleaned, and serviced. Its not enforced, but it will be soon. Plus a lot of other regulations are coming that will basically generate revenue for the IEPA. If something like that is happening in this redneck state I can't see it being to far from coming to all the others.
 

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I would get a trencher and trench to the house and tie in to the house line. Probably your best bet so nobody finds out about your floor drains in the garage. Probably your less expensive option also as you dont have to build a pump station or treatment station of any kind.
 
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red vette mike

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red vette mike said:
I wanted a bathroom in my garage and I plumbed it for same. I knew getting the waste water from this site behind my house was going to be a problem. There is not enough "fall" so I am going to have to put in some sort of sewage pump in order to pump the waste water to the front. The city inspector might let me put in some sort of 'treatment' system that treats the waste and them pumps it to sprinkler heads some place in my yard (my house sits on 3 acres). Any of you good folks had any type of similar problems? I would appreciate any advise. Using a 'guided boring' machine has been mentioned. I sure that ain't cheap.
Mike

I have 2 drains on the floor of this garage. I did it so I could wash cars inside.
Evidently you are not suppose to let waste water from an operation like this (washing you own car) go through the public sewer system? Where can this water go? Can it go through an in-ground treatment plant? Or, are you just not suppose to do this at all? Looks like too many rules to me.
Thanks for any advise.
Mike
 

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What do commercial car washes do I wonder? Common sense to me is that this is no different than washing a car in the driveway (non-commercial) and you should be able to discharge it into the ground in some fashion. But guess things don't often work that way.

I'm trying to figure out how to put a bathroom in the garage I'm planning and tap into the house drain line so I don't have another sewer tap fee, same with the water supply. Problem is everything is going to be a real long run, might now work out. I wouldn't be opposed to just building a storage tank in the garage and filling it from time to time, I assume there are some bacteria issues and all with that though.
 

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Most commercial carwashes are required to recycle the water. We designed a truck wash for a facility and had to have sediment filters, treatment, and recycling of 90% of the water.

It can be a bit ridiculous that you can wash a car in the driveway and just let the water run off but washing it in the garage and going down a drain is treated completely differently because it becomes a "drainage system" at that point. The concern is that other things will get dumped down the drain whereas you aren't going to pour your used motor oil out on the driveway...
 

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Man, you're getting into dangerous territory here. Gray-water systems are usually very difficult to get approved, and require constant inspections. A new sewer tap is probably out of the question as well. What you probably need is a 'chopper pump' to raise the waste up to the level of your existing sewer tap. This is not a big deal; here in Austin there's a number of areas where the houses are lower than the street (where the line is), so they've used chopper pumps for years with no trouble. You're gonna spend a lot on trenching no matter WHAT you do, so you've got to decide how bad you want this extra facility. And it sounds like you're within city limits (and codes), so you're gonna have to have a plumber do a lot of the work anyway ($$). But if you have a plumber do it, and something goes wrong, he'll fix it. If YOU screw it up, you could be in for a real (stinky) treat. Not to mention the venting requirements; VENTING was the biggest issue with my installation, not the drain. There's a whole host of code rules for drains and venting; not an area I'd want to guess about.

My house was built in 1922, and a couple years ago I started having slow drainage. A plumber came out, took the toilet off, and ran a camera down into the drain. The problem? The drain line was made of stuff called 'Orangeburg' (after the town where it was made), which is basically cardboard tube soaked in tar. After eighty years, it starts to fall apart. They replaced the whole shebang with PVC, and it's unlikely I'll ever have to think about it again. Apparently Orangeburg was used all over the country for MANY years, I think they finally quit using it when PVC came on the scene in the seventies.

I've never had any qualms about running my own supply lines, but I am VERY reluctant to mess around with drain lines; I'll hire a professional to do it. The consequences of a leaky supply line? wet face and floor, so what. The consequences of a leaky drain line are FAR more severe...

Good Luck!

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