POE Lighting? Are we there yet?

[BB Sig]

I've got a few POE switches that I am planning on using for access points and cameras.

Is POE lighting feasible yet and if so, what brands do you have experience with?

Links that I will update as someone suggests or I find:

nuleds.com spicebox/

poelightingusa.com Looks like a re-seller. Nice link since it showcases what is available!
poelightingusa.com SUPER-SLIMTRIMLESS.pdf I like this light they have!

innovativelight.com/

Hubbell.com Usually means expensive!

pmmi-lighting Uses a RaspberryPi and Arduino!




Barry
North Florida

 

[mike93lx]

Quick check online indicated poe can deliver up to 15 or 30 watts, depending on what standard you have.

What do your switches indicate voltage and current output are?

 

[BB Sig]

PoE Standard IEEE 802.3af/802.3at PoE PSE
PoE Power Supply Type End-span
PoE Power Output Per port 56 VDC, 30.8 W (max.)
Power Pin Assignment 1/2(+), 3/6(-)
PoE Power Budget 440 W (max.)
PoE Ability PD @ 7 W 24 units
PoE Ability PD @ 15.4 W 24 units
PoE Ability PD @ 30.8 W 14 units

 

[rjacobs]

Ubiquiti has a few LED panels that I THINK are POE powered, but maybe not.

Whats the amp rating though of both Cat cable as well as what the POE systems can supply?

The new POE++(802.3bt) can supply 60watts

 

[tab2]

It may have it's day some day, but it doesn't seem to be yet.

The low voltage guys mention it once in awhile, but as some who builds offices space everyday, we always see LED 2x2s in acoustical ceilings and linear pendants with acoustical or open ceilings. A few downlights/cans here and there, but 2x2s are the bread and butter.

The fluorescent counterparts, which used to be significantly less expensive, are now the same price (sometimes more) and usually take longer to get.

 

[rjacobs]

https://unifi-led.ui.com/

poe powered

 

[Platonic Solid]

I have no experience with any POE brands. I've been waiting forever for this area to mature.

 

[sberry]

We figured some of this stuff out, got 3 13 watt that burn 24/7, can see our way around without switching, can get a coffee from my office with 1, if we put them on timer, motion, photo would take years to pay back just the materials which were a few dollars. Can screw them in to common Edison base, most all can be found free.

 

[Jagmandave]

POE? Really wish you guys would use words instead of acronyms, some of us are not in your trades but would like to understand what you're talking about without having to go to the google library on every thread..

 

[Quick240]

POE? Really wish you guys would use words instead of acronyms

Power Over Ethernet

 

[BB Sig]

POE? Really wish you guys would use words instead of acronyms, some of us are not in your trades but would like to understand what you're talking about without having to go to the google library on every thread..

Power Over Ethernet - powered lighting from a network "switch". With LED lighting using low voltage to power the light, the network switch can provide the power using network switch and cheaper wiring that a monkey can install.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_over_Ethernet



Barry
North Florida

 

[mike93lx]

POE? Really wish you guys would use words instead of acronyms, some of us are not in your trades but would like to understand what you're talking about without having to go to the google library on every thread..

If you don't know what poe is, you probably can't help give advice and a Google search would have been way faster than posting this

 

[theoldwizard1]

The USB Power Delivery specification revision 3.0 (part of USB 3.1/USB C) can provide up to 100W !!



The key word is CAN ! The default is the old 5V@2A. The new spec "defines a programmable power supply protocol that allows granular control over VBUS power in 20 mV steps to facilitate constant current or constant voltage charging." So you need a big enough supply (they exist) and you need some "smarts" on the end to "ask" for that much power !

Here is why USB Type-C is AWESOME and how you can use Power Delivery for your electronics!

 

[mike93lx]

The USB Power Delivery specification revision 3.0 (part of USB 3.1/USB C) can provide up to 100W !!



The key word is CAN ! The default is the old 5V@2A. The new spec "defines a programmable power supply protocol that allows granular control over VBUS power in 20 mV steps to facilitate constant current or constant voltage charging." So you need a big enough supply (they exist) and you need some "smarts" on the end to "ask" for that much power !

Here is why USB Type-C is AWESOME and how you can use Power Delivery for your electronics!

What am I missing? What does that have to do with POE?

 

[dave*99]

What am I missing? What does that have to do with POE?

Nothing. Nothing at all. Nada. Zip.

 

[rjacobs]

Yup, usb power has nothing to do with POE.

 

[Jagmandave]

If you don't know what poe is, you probably can't help give advice and a Google search would have been way faster than posting this

I wasn't looking to GIVE advice but rather learn. It only takes a second more to type the words rather than the acronym, then people understand what's being discussed rather than having to go off to Google to figure out what the acronym means.

That's a sort of reverse snobbery in my opinion "I know something you all don't" sort of thing.

 

[mike93lx]

Nothing. Nothing at all. Nada. Zip.

Yup, usb power has nothing to do with POE.

I wasn't looking to GIVE advice but rather learn. It only takes a second more to type the words rather than the acronym, then people understand what's being discussed rather than having to go off to Google to figure out what the acronym means.

That's a sort of reverse snobbery in my opinion "I know something you all don't" sort of thing.

Then just ask. Why would you expect someone to spell out a very commonly used networking term? Or just Google it. Takes roughly three seconds and you can learn way more than just what an acronym stands for.

 

[BB Sig]

I don't mind questions that pertain to the subject of the thread! Now USB in a POE thread... that's down right rude!

Barry
North Florida

 

[cybrdyke]

For as long as the lighting industry has been chattering about POE, you would have expected it to be much further along...but it's not. Sure, all the big manufacturers have POE capable products, but they're not yet mainstream sellers and it's not obvious that they ever will be. There are multiple issues with POE lighting, but the biggest might just be that the longer it takes for POE to come to fruition, the more likely that newer technologies will emerge and pass it by. Right now, we see POE lighting in certain high dollar new construction projects, trophy projects if you will, where high end BMS (building management systems) are being used to optimize building efficiency. For a while there was a huge market trend toward creating "green" buildings and high level BMS was popular. It seems like today those trends are declining except in those trophy jobs. Bean counters dont have the backbone to spend money on expensive building control systems that will only create a very long return on investment.
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[wssix99]

Keep in mind that PoE power still travels over two 22 gauge wires... (We still have to contend with those physics.)

 

[mike93lx]

Keep in mind that PoE power still travels over two 22 gauge wires... (We still have to contend with those physics.)

That's probably why it is at 56v and not 12v

 

[sberry]

I like technogy but there is a point it just be omes gadgets.. I was on a job they didn't want to run another wire, they work half a day to skip 30 mins of work and 10$ wire so they could add 50$of gadgets and another remote to use a light switch every trip up and down the stairs.
Got to wonder how long that will last?

 

[mike93lx]

I like technogy but there is a point it just be omes gadgets.. I was on a job they didn't want to run another wire, they work half a day to skip 30 mins of work and 10$ wire so they could add 50$of gadgets and another remote to use a light switch every trip up and down the stairs.
Got to wonder how long that will last?

It won't ever go away, barring nuclear winter and starting civilization over

 

[sberry]

I have came around a circle to some extent with utilities and some tools. I used to try to use every fitting they ever invented. I am a lot more inclined to use a ball valve if it's convenient enough.

 

[BB Sig]

I like technogy but there is a point it just be omes gadgets.. I was on a job they didn't want to run another wire, they work half a day to skip 30 mins of work and 10$ wire so they could add 50$of gadgets and another remote to use a light switch every trip up and down the stairs.
Got to wonder how long that will last?

That 's one of the reasons I am interested is it is something to tinker with! It's going in my horse barn retrofitted into a workshop and office. I'm an IT guy so running Cat 6a is easy enough and I already have 5 older POE+ capable switches that are practically brand new. I'm already going to deploy POE devices in the shop so why not go all the way?

What scares me is that none of the companies will give pricing on the internet!

Some of what I've been looking at over the last few days:

nuleds.com spicebox/

poelightingusa.com Looks like a re-seller. Nice link since it showcases what is available!
poelightingusa.com SUPER-SLIMTRIMLESS.pdf I like this light they have!

innovativelight.com/

Hubbell.com Usually means expensive!

pmmi-lighting Uses a RaspberryPi and Arduino!

 

[gte718p]

If I was building from scratch, I would absolutely go this way. Probably Ubiquiti or pmmi. The control options are just amazing. You have a switch, a timer, remote switch, dimmer, 3 way 4way 10way switches, zone control, task lighting, mood lighting, and motion controlled lights all built in. If you find your switch location is now behind a piece of equipment, it is two seconds to plug a new one in.

 

[BB Sig]

If I was building from scratch, I would absolutely go this way. Probably Ubiquiti or pmmi. The control options are just amazing. You have a switch, a timer, remote switch, dimmer, 3 way 4way 10way switches, zone control, task lighting, mood lighting, and motion controlled lights all built in. If you find your switch location is now behind a piece of equipment, it is two seconds to plug a new one in.

The only thing I don't like about PMMI is they use a relay board to power the lights not a network POE switch. Ubiquiti looks like a winner but you have to use their equipment to get the benefits. Their POE light is only $135! Their combo Router/POE 8 port switch is $380.

 

[Platonic Solid]

Their POE light is only $135!

Is that sarcasm? $135 for 2300 lumens isn't exactly a bargain.

 

[American Locomotive]

With LED lighting becoming the norm, I can see tradtional 15A lighting circuits going away in the next 15 years. It's just a waste of copper and way too m7cj duplication in terms of power supplies.

POE lighting makes a lot of sense. PoE doesn't even need to be "smart". You could have a PoE lightswitch that just has a 56vDC output to whatever light source in the room. The light switch just needs to negiotiate with the PoE power source and that is it.

POE? Really wish you guys would use words instead of acronyms, some of us are not in your trades but would like to understand what you're talking about without having to go to the google library on every thread..

PoE is power over ethernet, and it's the industry standard term for it - not just for "people in the trades". It's not a big deal to look things up.

 

[Countyroadtrailers]

With LED lighting becoming the norm, I can see tradtional 15A lighting circuits going away in the next 15 years. It's just a waste of copper and way too m7cj duplication in terms of power supplies.

POE lighting makes a lot of sense. PoE doesn't even need to be "smart". You could have a PoE lightswitch that just has a 56vDC output to whatever light source in the room. The light switch just needs to negiotiate with the PoE power source and that is it.


PoE is power over ethernet, and it's the industry standard term for it - not just for "people in the trades". It's not a big deal to look things up.

Surprised he didn't comment about the USB reference since it's actually an acronym, I mean if we aren't supposed to use acronyms......people forget how often something in common place usage are acronyms.

 

[jkeyser14]

My entire office was rennovated 2 years ago. The switches and lighting in the office area is all POE and is automated with scheduling, motion sensors, etc. I believe it is ubiquity. The only complaint I have is that the POE dimmer switches are finnicky.

 

[Zippers]

I think that using PoE would be a good idea, but the complexity of implementation and the novelty of technology will not allow you to quickly deal with the problems that arise. On the other hand, it's just cool) The main thing is not to forget to conduct timely service. Many accounting applications work very strangely on old computers, in the sense of their power should be enough, but the calculations take too long. Therefore, it seems logical to use auxiliary tools or the so-called boosters to speed up work, and I advise you to try. You must immediately weigh for yourself the pros and cons because you should pay attention to the pro version, their price varies from 10 to 50 dollars.

 

[Ron_J]

POE? Really wish you guys would use words instead of acronyms, some of us are not in your trades but would like to understand what you're talking about without having to go to the google library on every thread..

Thanks for asking. I was assuming it was some type of "smart light" but only from reading between the lines.

I suppose if someone is seeking answers to a question regard a topic that goes by a certain acronym, the ones that don't know what the acronym means won't be of much help to them.

But, typically and acronym is only used after it is defined in it's first use.

Power over Ethernet (POE) Lighting?

Then again, this is just a forum and all grammar rules are thrown out the window, unless you use their rather than there, or god forbid misspell something.

 

[mike93lx]

Thanks for asking. I was assuming it was some type of "smart light" but only from reading between the lines.

I suppose if someone is seeking answers to a question regard a topic that goes by a certain acronym, the ones that don't know what the acronym means won't be of much help to them.

But, typically and acronym is only used after it is defined in it's first use.

Power over Ethernet (POE) Lighting?

Then again, this is just a forum and all grammar rules are thrown out the window, unless you use their rather than there, or god forbid misspell something.

Why should everyone have to assume every acronym needs to be defined here? Why is this "it's first use"? Again Poe is not some obscure acronym. Anyone that has worked with networking or surveillance camera systems would know it, at a minimum

This really isn't hard.. Google even provides a definition without having to click on a link... https://lmgtfy.com/?q=Poe+acronym

 

[Ron_J]

Why should everyone have to assume every acronym needs to be defined here? Why is this "it's first use"? Again Poe is not some obscure acronym. Anyone that has worked with networking or surveillance camera systems would know it, at a minimum

This really isn't hard.. Google even provides a definition without having to click on a link... https://lmgtfy.com/?q=Poe+acronym

Because it's customarily done? But like I said, this is a forum, and not a professional paper, or report, so most rules are thrown out the window.

I also said, if you didn't know what POE was, then you were probably going to be no help to the original question. But for those of us just hanging around trying to learn something new, it would have been helpful.

 

[BB Sig]

As the OP I did not have a problem with that question and gave the definition...

I'll try to do better next time!

 

[ripperd]

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. POE switches still are not cheap and having to home run every light isn't helpful either. Especially in the residential sense where things are very cost sensitive.

It seems similar to the "smart home" stuff where lights and radios and tv are voice controlled. Honestly, I think thats a fad, and I'm a pretty technological person. I'd rather use a light switch than have to say "alexa turn off the island lights". Geofencing does have its merits though.

 

[Tracs]

As the OP I did not have a problem with that question and gave the definition...

I'll try to do better next time!

What does OP mean? I shouldn't have to google it. I expect people to spell everything out of me....

 

[Ron_J]

What does OP mean? I shouldn't have to google it. I expect people to spell everything out of me....

Touche. Smart ***.

BTW...it's "spell everything out FOR me", not of me. (yes, I'm intentionally being a **** now)

To the OP, I apologize if my post got this off track.

This topic does interest me though.