Pole barn engineer stamp

[Daddydavesr86]

I will try to make a long story short.
Building go in woodford county ky. 20x24x10 not that big of a building.
Im having a pole barn built by the amish.
Local supplier and amish with very good reviews and refrence who i will be using.
Prior to buying package and signing a contract i want to get my permit approved.
I told building package supplier that inspector requires building to meet section 327 of ky building code. Which is for pole barns.
Supplier gave me a very detailed set of plans for the building.
Ensure me they build to code and more.
Im paying more with this company because of understanding code and reviews and refrences.
I summit plans and inspector.
Tells me there are 3 issues.
1. Site location needs to be moved 5 foot from property line. The inspector told me 2 feet. I plan for 4 feet. I have to move 1 foot because wall on that side has to have fire proof drywall inside and outside of the wall.
I ask if there is anything else other than drywall that would be considered fire rated. Inspector said no.
Ok move building over 1 foot solve problem.
2. Holes have to be drilled 5 feet with 9" footer. Plans call for 4 foot holes 9" footer. So post is 3 foot 3 inches in ground.
So drill hole deeper problem solved.
3. Man door on side has to be middle of wall from 8 foot to 16 foot. Due to bracing with 2x6s from wall to truss.
I ask what can i do to add more bracing to accomadate the man door at the 2' location. Inspector just said good question but code does not anwser that.
He suggested get stamp drawings i can put door where ever.
Im building pole barn for simple garage stamp drawings add cost. Not sure being told around $1000.

Long story but looking for advice. Im on a budget streching to get pole barn with everything else. Garage doors, concrete, electric. Now added expense.

With all this expense should i go with a stick built building. Im told i need a set of plans to get accurate quotes that satisfy local code.

I just have to be careful how much i spend. Looking to sale 8 years. Live good school district for kids. But once my son is in middle school im moving in the county with some land. I live in county now just in a subdivision.

 

[larry_g]

When I bought my building kit it was supplied with stamped drawings and I required that the supplier run the permitting process so they could deal with these type of issues. They should be acquainted with the permitting process and have the pull to streamline the process. For me it was a painless process and I only paid for the permit fee.

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no neat sig line

 

[MrSurly]

I strongly recommend getting a pole barn specific engineer to stamp your plans. This means, of course, that he will also CHANGE the plans in some ways to make sure that the building will have the stated integrity. This also means that if there's a custom location for a door, he'll make sure it's viable and once he stamps it, the city will have no objection as their purpose and preference is for someone else (the engineer) to shoulder the liability. My own building plan was very basic, provided by a local Craigslist barn guy, so minimal is the word.
The city, in my case, had no pole barn guidance so they simply wouldn't allow one built unLESS it was stamped.
While I hated the extra expense (I think $750(?) I came to appreciate his input *even though* he added to my building costs by spec'ing
bigger and more material. In hindsight I'm *GLAD* that I know my building has a legitimate 130 MPH wind rating. I only think about it every time there's a storm. That peace of mind provided is well worth the price of admission.
The engineer was (I think) in Kansas. I will find his info if you'd like.

 

[Tman]

Build pole barn. Inspect. Add door later.

 

[Daddydavesr86]

Build pole barn. Inspect. Add door later.

Simple. I like it.

 

[rburke65]

I don’t understand.....inspector said you need a one hour fire wall....to keep fire away from what?

 

[65ranchero]

I don’t understand.....inspector said you need a one hour fire wall....to keep fire away from what?

I have the same question !
How can there be FP dry wall on the outside of the wall?
Is the building location that close to the next dwelling?

 

[dcg9381]

"He suggested get stamp drawings i can put door where ever."

A suggestion doesn't mean you have to do it that way...
Your supplier didn't give you a stamp, so you're kinda in the same position with or without the door. A door on a pole barn should be as simple as a it is in residential.. This is all about the inspector.

 

[billconner]

I have the same question !
How can there be FP dry wall on the outside of the wall?
Is the building location that close to the next dwelling?

Its probably one hour to protect buildings - existing or future - on adjacent property. Not uncommon. A 1 hour wall usually requires fr gwb on both sides (among other details) not to mention to protect this buildings framing from structure fire on adjacent property.

Make sense?

 

[welder4956]

You need to take the inspector's comments back to the supplier. They likely have someone that can review and stamp the drawings to meet code.

 

[nashbalto]

I would suggest to make the permit process part of your contract with the supplier, and responsibilty for any changes to be their responsibilty.

I had a similar situation with a fencing contract. I have a next door neighbor who was not happy about my soon to be installed fence.

In the contract, the fence contractor was responsible for the survey, layout, and permit as well as full install. I also put language in that the contractor was responsible for ensuring that the install was in accordance with the survey, and that the fence contractor they would be responsible for making corrections at their cost.

The survey and contract language cost me a $600 adder to the $13k job.

You do not want the risk of change orders from the county inspector. You will get charged 2-3 times by your supplier contractor what those changes might cost you up front.

Are you dealing with 2 entities? Supplier and erector?

In the future, $1,000 might seem cheap compared to potential cbanges. (Make sure you add the language for any changes not meeting county codes). This is the only time your supplier will be motivated to make the sale.

Cheers,
Nashbalto

 

[moddedstang]

Wow, someone that has a worse inspector/inspections than I did. My posts had to be 24" wide holes, 4 feet in the ground and a 12" footer below. I personally believe that because I live in a city and it is a pole structure, my inspectors had no clue what they were looking at/inspecting to stated I had to do the maximum. I quit asking questions. I also was going to use the amish until the city started pressuring for who was building it.

I am highly confused about the door. What that has to do with the knee bracing is crazy. The knee brace usually will be 3' below ceiling attached from the post
to top of truss chord. Your door will be below that and even if it wasnt, it could be attached on the opposite side. My city wanted me to get stamped drawings only if I wanted to tie it to the house. I declined.