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I'm looking for companies that sell pole barn kits but have a few non-standard requirements. The building has to have a full 2nd story loft preferably with a gambrel roof. It also has to have wood siding and standard asphalt shingle roof. I have one company up in Massachusetts working up a quote for us which seems promising depending on price but everyone else seems to want to sell single story metal sided structures. The building will have to be 2 stories because the 2nd story needs to function as a hay loft. I need a place to store 3 to 400 bales of hay. I am looking for wood siding because it is a lot easier to fix if a horse kicks or backs into it. I can replace a board a lot easier than I can straighten a piece of metal. Finally I would prefer an asphalt roof over metal just for the looks. I could go metal but like a barn to look like a barn and not something modern. There are also less issues with an asphalt roof sweating and dripping on stored hay than a metal roof. If you know of any companies that sell kits like I am describing above let please let me know.

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That's a tall order for a "kit". You will probably have to source the rafters separately as well as the roof. I would just talk to your local lumber yard, they will have builders that they work with that could design and order the materials.
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Town requires stamped engineering drawings so designing one up at the lumber yard isn't going to work. I would be willing to have someone build the whole thing but suspect cost will be an issue. Looking for something 36x36 or so.

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Thanks but the first place only provides autocad drawings. They do not provide engineered stamped prints. The second place I have been in contact with and their standard buildings are all metal roofing and siding. Getting wood siding and asphalt shingle roofing the price went up exponentially because it was considered a custom design.

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You should probably start by finding a general contractor who can/will work with your needs and let him get the stamped plans that you need and offer a quote on the building.
If you are planning to do the construction then find and engineer or architect that designs such structures and shop the design to your local suppliers. Yes, the stamp will cost you a couple grand.
 

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Here's a novel idea. Maybe pick up the phone and call a few PB companies and ask them directly. But to me your requirements sounds like you'll need to stick build it.
 

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Generally, you won't get a "full 2 stories" with a gambrel roof. It won't give you ? 8' side wall the full light and width of the pole barn. As said, pick up a phone or drive do to your local lumber yard.....shouldn't be that hard to get a price. They will even deliver it for you.
 
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Generally, you won't get a "full 2 stories" with a gambrel roof. It won't give you ? 8' side wall the full light and width of the pole barn. As said, pick up a phone or drive do to your local lumber yard.....shouldn't be that hard to get a price. They will even deliver it for you.

I understand the Gambrel roof limitations. The 2nd floor will be for hay storage only so I don't need sidewalls. I need the hight so I can stand up and walk around though.

Relieved the quote back from the place in maas. They want 36k for just the kit. No site prep and no assembly. They just provide stamped plans and drop the materials off. Seems high to me. Was thinking that a pole barn without any electric or plumbing and built by me was going to be alot less than that.

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84 lumber around here used to make the kits anyway you want, custom trusses and all.

There was a thread recently on here where a guy built a gambrel style, his trusses where pretty cool, the inner rafter went all the way to top plate.
 
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Sounds like you need to adjust your expectations. I'm not sure that you fully understand the process. If you were building a house you would start with a set of plans to put out to bid. Why aren't you doing that for the barn?
 

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You do not say where you are.
But you sound like you are east coast.
Theses guys are in OR, but will mail plans anywhere.
And they are proud of their Gambrel roof look.

https://barnplans.com/
 

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Everything you ask for can be done easily with a pole barn, including the suggested monitor style barn. For a gambrel, you have a bunch of options:

Check out Starwood rafters. They provide unique gambrel trusses.
http://www.starwoodrafters.com/gambrel-rafters.html

Look at a web metal frame. Check out Perka for one example.
http://www.perkabuildings.com/steel-frame-models/

Any reasonable and experienced pole barn builder can get gambrel trusses and put them up with a second floor. Wood siding and asphalt are easy. They generally only require sheathing under the siding/roofing.

As for kits, I'd try someplace else. $36K for just a kit (unless really big) is too high.
 
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You do not say where you are.
But you sound like you are east coast.
Theses guys are in OR, but will mail plans anywhere.
And they are proud of their Gambrel roof look.

https://barnplans.com/

Sorry. Didn't realize I don't have it in my signature. I am located in Connecticut.

As stated above, a place like barnplans.com is sort of what I am looking for but unfortunately they don't do stamped drawings. Trying to get another engineer to stamp someone else's drawings is darn near impossible and our building department won't issue the permit without the stamp. I guess if I can't find a kit I will have to find an architect.

I was looking for a kit as I though this would be a fairly standard and simple building. I didn't want to go with a GC as I wanted to save some money doing it myself as well as not having to deal with the headaches of trying to get someone to show up on time and do quality work (see the other thread going on right now).

Keith
 

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Sorry. Didn't realize I don't have it in my signature. I am located in Connecticut.

As stated above, a place like barnplans.com is sort of what I am looking for but unfortunately they don't do stamped drawings. Trying to get another engineer to stamp someone else's drawings is darn near impossible and our building department won't issue the permit without the stamp. I guess if I can't find a kit I will have to find an architect.

I was looking for a kit as I though this would be a fairly standard and simple building. I didn't want to go with a GC as I wanted to save some money doing it myself as well as not having to deal with the headaches of trying to get someone to show up on time and do quality work (see the other thread going on right now).

Keith

What you want is not standard nor simple. In fact here in the Midwest I have never seen a barn like you want and I have been in hundreds. Dad and I baled 120,000 bales of hay and straw and delivered it all over the north half of the state of Indiana..

You want the old balloon or timber frame barn look/functionality but on a pole building frame. This mix mash just isn't real feasible.

As mentioned above, without the metal siding making a diaphragm, you need to add additional bracing or sheath the walls. The sheathing is much more difficult to replace if a horse kicks it than metal siding. Hell wood siding without metal siding takes more time to repair than metal. A sheet of metal can be out and back in 20 mins or so. With metal sided building you just place 2x6 oak boards up 4' high on the inside so the horses cant kick the metal. Owning 4 horses myself, I never let the horses against the outside of any building. Wood siding is also a favored treat of horses to chew on.

Good Wood siding cost many times more than metal siding. Good wood siding is almost impossible to find any more to boot as all the old growth is gone. Also wood siding needs repainting more often.

A metal roof is cheaper/longer lasting than a shingled roof, because it needs sheathing and underlayment. but the price difference is closer than the wood/metal siding.

Second, a full loft with that much weight capacity isn't typical Most old barns had full foundations, either in stone or wood. Many of the wood foundations were later replaced with concrete after the rotted out. Pole buildings are set on small concrete cookies and only designed to hold up the weight of the building. To hold up that much weight you are going to have to double or triple the poles for the additional ground support area. The poles themselves are not the limiting factor, its the support area below the poles.

Third, metal roofs were never an issue with hay storage. Every barn we had and sold to had metal roofs with no issue. Just make sure there is ventilation.

I am not trying to talk you out of what you want, I just don't think your estimation of how common/available/cost is very correct. I think 36K for a kit that can do all you want sounds in the ball park reasonable.

I personally like wood siding for animal barns because it breaths,(better for the animals but proper ventilation can be added to any structure) not because its better for the structure. We rebuilt our barn ends one of the last of the balloon framed dairy barns(1939), wood allows for much water ingress. It was old growth fir and was in good shape but the framing behind was severely damaged after 60 years. It was run horizontal because of the balloon framing. The vertical sided barns rarely had rot except near the ground due to rain splash and vegetation growing next to the wall.
 

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Second, a full loft with that much weight capacity isn't typical Most old barns had full foundations, either in stone or wood. Many of the wood foundations were later replaced with concrete after the rotted out. Pole buildings are set on small concrete cookies and only designed to hold up the weight of the building. To hold up that much weight you are going to have to double or triple the poles for the additional ground support area. The poles themselves are not the limiting factor, its the support area below the poles.

When you say "hay loft" it triggers a lot of extra expense in modern designers' pocketbooks. Obviously the entire country was filled with these at one point in time so its not that big of a deal. But, the concern of having literal tons of weight in the structure above you deserves consideration.

I think to do it economically you are going to have a lot of posts in the center, as mentioned, with large footings. Don't get set on a clear span as the beam & post structure is going to need a very large upgrade to the point you are going to need a structural steel fabricator. Towit, all of the old barns were filled with posts, some even put where a sag was noted along the way.

I would choose any material which doesn't require painting. You can tell in farm country who is doing well because their barns are freshly painted. That's very last on a farmer's list of spending priorities and so many look shabby as a result. You might be better off financially, but having to paint every 5 or 10 years stinks in my opinion.

Adding: here are some actual extension service barn plans.

https://www.ag.ndsu.edu/extension-aben/buildingplans
 
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Holly **** Matt! , that link is awesome! Lots of cool projects!

Warning: don't click on the misc. section! I have like 5 plans open right now!

Lots of good info Matt and Firebrick!
 
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Clear spans aren't needed or wanted. We are looking only for a 10' center aisle. On either side of the aisle will either be stalls or tack/tool rooms. We have a meeting with a local contractor that has built some barns in the area on Monday. Friends also gave us the name of another company that does gambrel pole barns. We will have to see how the prices compare.

Keith
 
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