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Vise gurus. I need some help from ya'll.
If you were to choose the most popular not **** vise, say 4" or so in size. Not too expensive, off the shelf vise. Use case is to hold mountain bike shocks, forks, seatpost mounts, motorsports shocks and sensitive parts for rebuilds and other precision work. What would it be? I've already covered the Craftsman Pro 4.5" (amazing) and Orange vise (not popular or cheap) because I have them. Maybe some modern Wilton variant? Full disclosure, I'm making use-case specific replacement soft jaws and want to make something with broad appeal.
 
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When you say “off the shelf”, can we assume you are limiting suggestions to only new vises?

Are you taking suggestions for a popularity pol or for actual use by a person who needs a good vise to get work done?
 
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When you say “off the shelf”, can we assume you are limiting suggestions to only new vises?

Are you taking suggestions for a popularity pol or for actual use by a person who needs a good vise to get work done?
Good questions.
Yes, off the shelf, meaning not a insanely lovely vintage or barn find like the post above ^. Holy ****.
I probably mean a good mix of popularity AND quality.
 

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Personally, I love the vintage vises from the top shelf manufacturers of old.

There are still many to be found at prices far less than a new Wilton bullet. But you have to either pay for a quality restored example or be willing to search out used ones and then rehabilitate it on your own time.

New? … I suppose Yost deserves a mention.
 
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So you want to produce some "gentle" grips to insert into a vise for bicycle work? Possibly selling them and your looking for a popular/common jaw configuration for a clip in, press on, etc. so that each side is retained on to each side of the jaws?
 

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I think they are now quite well known since PF made that youtube video, and they are made for over a century in Germany. I am very happy with my vintage Heuer and the brand new ones are exactly the same.


For custom jaws, you would need to go for the model with replaceable jaws. The nice thing is, they screw on from the back, not through the jaw, so the whole surface is usable. If you do not mind through-holes for the screws, the same jaws can be used on both sides or even on all four sides (I guess it can be done with regular vises too, but you typically need to go deep to hide the allen head, here it's just a threaded hole).

They are made of forged steel and are extremely versatile and will handle stuff like actual forging on them (you don't want to do that with a regular cast iron vise). At the same time, the screw in the centre pinches the "X" guides so you can take out any slop, making them also fairly high precision. And being forged steel, they get away with using a bit less material, leaving you more space around what you're working.

Particularly, the width of the guide and the spindle is very narrow relative to the width of the jaws. This is usually not so on cast iron vises. Here, a lot of the space "under the jaws" is unoccupied, so you can clamp in tall objects even like bicycle frames or shocks (especially the larger sized Heuer vises). Since the spindle is not inside the guide, but rather in between the guide and the jaws, tightning it down also distributes forces better (the spindles inside the guide are often a little bit underneath the guide, which means the clamping force is bending and cracking the moving jaw off of the guide - on the heuer, the clamping force is formed in the middle, above the guide, so it is a more favourable distribution and more of the force goes into what you're clamping instead of bending the guide).

They've got this funny ad on their site:

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I think most people on Garagejournal can relate to that!

You can also get all sorts of special supports for them, like a height adjustable lift-arm for the table, a collapsable lift-arm so it hides under the table when not in use, a rotary table, and even a lift stand you place on the ground and use without a table.

I bought a 140mm forged jaw version for 180€ about a year ago for the company (means it is without VAT here in Europe, otherwise it would be about 22% more if bought privately). I read the prices in the US are sadly much higher.
 
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I would guess this model sold by Ridgid, Capri, Fireball, Toptul, Yost, Garant, and about a million other names you've never heard of is probably the most popular new vise being sold.

Otherwise, I bet the Wilton Tradesman in your width of choice and it's clones is at least on the list. The Heuer mentioned above is popular as well, possibly more so in Europe?
 
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So you want to produce some "gentle" grips to insert into a vise for bicycle work? Possibly selling them and your looking for a popular/common jaw configuration for a clip in, press on, etc. so that each side is retained on to each side of the jaws?
Yes - exactly. I am 3d printing jaws made of nylon (think robot gripper arms) for use clamping sensitive things like shocks, forks and the like.

I don’t want to make clip on or magnets, rather complete replacement jaws.
 

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When you start talking precision and replaceable jaws my mind went to a milling machine vise. A Kurt style or one of its knockoff imports may provide you with a solution fitting your needs.

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When you start talking precision and replaceable jaws my mind went to a milling machine vise. A Kurt style or one of its knockoff imports may provide you with a solution fitting your needs.

lg
Milling vises are fantastic at holding things on a machine tool, but very bad at general shop vise tasks. I don't recommend a Kurt vise as a substitute for a bench vise, they're completely different tools.

The guys at Orange vise have made a precision bench vise that utilizes interchangeable jaws from your machine tool, and that's my recommendation if you want a high quality vise with modular workholding options. It's not cheap, however, and probably falls outside the scope of what OP wants to spend.



I use a 4" fixed jaw Wilton machinist's vise as my go-to vise. I also have a 6.5" Tradesman that is a very nice vise as well.
 

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Milling vises are fantastic at holding things on a machine tool, but very bad at general shop vise tasks. I don't recommend a Kurt vise as a substitute for a bench vise, they're completely different tools.
You are absolutely correct that a milling vise is not good for a general use bench vise. However I read that the OP is looking for a precision vise that will take jaws for a specific task, not general use. It MAY work for him, may not.

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You are absolutely correct that a milling vise is not good for a general use bench vise. However I read that the OP is looking for a precision vise that will take jaws for a specific task, not general use. It MAY work for him, may not.

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The OP is actually looking to produce soft jaws for vises, and is interested in figuring out what the most popular vises are so their jaws can be produced to serve the widest possible user base.
 

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The OP is actually looking to produce soft jaws for vises, and is interested in figuring out what the most popular vises are so their jaws can be produced to serve the widest possible user base.
It would be nice if the OP could say this. OP what is your goal here, your own use or to ????
 

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It would be nice if the OP could say this. OP what is your goal here, your own use or to ????
To be fair, I misread the OP as well.

They do say what they are doing, as well as mention the Orange vise that I linked haha.

That's what I get for skimming a post while eating lunch.
 

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Yost or HF Doyle wilton copy for a new vise. I was impressed with their size. I have the yost yost 750di, excellent all around unit.
 

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I bought a 140mm forged jaw version for 180€ about a year ago for the company (means it is without VAT here in Europe, otherwise it would be about 22% more if bought privately). I read the prices in the US are sadly much higher.

I bought my 140mm Heuer from Amazon Germany. Even with shipping costs included, the price was much lower than US retailers. It has been a fantastic vise.
 
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