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oldironfarmer

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Great job on the pulling and press tools. I just love making tools even if they never get used again but it seems like they usually do. Sometimes they get modified for another job but can still go back to the original intent. If you can find them when you need them! Oh, that's my shop, not yours!:)

Congratulations on getting out to the garage and working despite all the stress. It really does help with the stress.

Praying your wife experiences a speedy recovery and you get to take a loooong plane ride:thumbup::thumbup:
 
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Chris,

Top notch work as always. Glad to hear things are somewhat getting back to normal. Hope you got to take a ride today.

Bret
 

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Looks like someone could make some money designing 2 piece BMW dust shields. Ouch! Those tools must have been several hours worth of labor (therapy) for you. Are there any local BMW forums where you could borrow the tools? I have borrowed and lent many tools to fellow Audi fools over the years.

Keep this place in mind next time you need a tool.
https://asttool.com/front_page.php
Their HQ (?) is in GunBarrel. I have purchased a few items from them and they make some quality items. Note: I did not see a BMW hub / bearing replacement tool set on their site.

Re: Beer. The Nitrofest in Longmont 11/12/2017 looks interesting but I don't drink enough to warrant $45 / ticket for 5 hours of access. Also, I hear the event sells out fast. Let's put something on the calendar or it will be 2018 before anything happens. My schedule is flexible. PM me and let me know where / when works for you.
 

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Just now catching up on the happening, sorry for the health issues y'all are facing, but glad your wife is on the mend now. I'll 2nd or 3rd the saying about the lift, I finely got mine installed on my one day off this month and it has been awesome the few times I've used it.
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Steve (1/2 Cup) - It feels good to have the time to update! I hope that the trend continues.

Andy (Oldironfarmer) - Andy, thank you. I hope that we get a chance for the plane ride. Her recovery is going better than they expected! She may be back to work, part-time, in January and the family would like to spend the holidays with us so the Au trip may have to wait. i've been reading your thread... Awesome work! Can't wait to see the rest of the trim in the new space.

Brett (bj838ss) - Thanks for stoping in. I didn't get to ride that day but have been making the best of the great weather otherwise.

Huxley - Sorry man. I'll PM you tonight with my number. Worked picked up, and then stalled, but I'm ready for a beer!

Shorty (shortykorte) Yah baby!!!!!!!!! Nice to see the lift installed! :bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:

JB (jbmatth) - Appreciate the kind words. Yes, as Shorty can now attest, all homes should come with a lift!

Thanks folks for checking in. I hope to have more to report moving forward. :thumbup:

Cheers,
Chris
 
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FJ60 work resumes as well as a little tool rehab…

The weather here in the Rockies has been unseasonably warm getting into the 60’s, even up here at 8500ft. That, along with a bit of prodding by my brother-in-law, got me motivated to get the FJ60 frame ready to come inside. In a previous session of quality time with the new frame I had cut off the old motor mounts but hadn’t finished the job. Getting things cleaned up, as to limit the amount of indoor grinding, topped the to-do list. :3gears:

Out came the grinder and 40 grit flap disc.


But, before sending metal sparks everywhere… Does anyone else see a potential for disaster?


Yes. It has been “that” long since I worked on this thing. Grass has grown up around the frame and turned brown. Can anyone say, “Fire Danger”?

Out came the hose.


While the hose was out, I figured it was time to give the inside of the frame a good flush.


Red mud. I guess this frame spent some quality time in the desert.


With the ground soaked it was time to get to business… :thumbup:




Done. The old motor and transmission cross member mounts are off and the frame cleaned up. After finishing, I hit it with a little primer to keep the rust off.

Next!

Shop Stuff…

The new to me Hobart 210 (bought before the health stuff happened) came with a small 30” cord. Way too short. I had a 10ga extension cord that had been cut short accidentally by one of my guys, way back when. Perfect.

Old…


New…


Done…




The original cord was 12ga. Even with the voltage drop on a 74-foot run the 10ga should be more than enough. Some folks may ask, “Why not make a 240v extension cord instead of hardwiring?” Well, I have several 10ga cords and I prefer, more out of habit I admit, fewer connections. Hardwire it is!

It works! (Please be kind, I haven’t welded in a long time and could use some practice i.e. if you look at the top of the weld it could use a little slower travel speed.)




10,000 character limit? On to post 2! (Long winded? :)) :wtf:
 
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Lastly, The Quincy compressor…

The shop had a really nice Rol-Air 80gallon 5hp vertical before the recession. Rol-Air makes a great compressor but with funds being tight during the recession, and work scarce, it was sold. When things got better, I was on the lookout for a new source of air for the shop. (I have been using a 2hp Rol-Air portable) Spending $2500+ for a new Rol-Air was something that I was having a hard time choking down so I started to hawk Craig’s List.

Up came this…


The guy was asking $1000. Considering it’s ratty and incomplete condition (This is after a real good cleaning)… I offered $200, he hung-up the phone. I called back and said, “We must have gotten disconnected! :wtf: If you change your mind, please keep my number”.

I kept watching CL and he kept listing it but the price kept dropping. Over the next two months the price went from $800 to $500, and then to $400. Obviously other buyers felt that the asking was a bit, well, optimistic. I got a call.

“Hey, this is the guy with the Quincy. Is your offer of $300 still good?” :rolleyes: I said, “Well i think it was $200. I'm really not a big fan of how you deal so, I’ll give you $100 for it.” He hung up again. Look, I feel that paying a fair price for things is well, fair. I’m not here to take anyone or to be taken. This guy is why I shy away from CL. The way he deals is slimy. :headshake

Two days later I get a call. “Hey this is the guy with the Quincy, I’ll take $200.” I say, “My offer is now $100.” He tells me to come look at it and we can talk.

“OK.” :rolleyes2

What I find is a 3-phase, neglected and incomplete compressor that he had gotten at auction with some other stuff. He Googled, “Quincy” and thought he had hit pay dirt. He painted it with a bunch of rattle cans. Safety valves included. The inter-stage cooler had been replaced with steel pipe. It was sitting in the hallway of a 2 bedroom apt. His girlfriend had the, “Get this thing out of my house” look.

We settled on $100. He kept the 5hp 3-phase motor. I’m sure she uses it as a door stop.:rolleyes:

Work begins…

First, define the scope of the project. Projects, as of late, have grown and become long-term. I’m thinking of the mill (which will get finished, I promise). This is to be quick and dirty. No pulling the head. No new gasket set. Just what is necessary to get her running so I can blast the 60 frame while the weather is good and before the snow. If later on I have time, she will get the NedNorton rehab treatment. I have to admit, it took a lot of self-control not to crack the bolts and dig in. I need help. But damn! Who paints the safety valves?!

Quincy lists the inter-stage cooler as NLA. I found one on the Internet for $200.
Better solution that fits the scope and the budget outlined above…

New fittings and piping for the inter-stage cooler.


Pump after removing the pipe from stage 1 to stage 2.


Mocked Up inter-stage pipe…




Assembly…

This is Oatley, “fast Tape”. Thick PTFE. I’ll let you know how it goes.




I soaked all the fittings in Lacquer thinner for a few days.


Better…


New mounting hardware for the pump and motor…

Getting things put back together…




Here is how she sits tonight, complete with a NOS 5hp, 1725 rpm Baldor motor from a seller on eBay ($175). Next on the list are a new motor pulley, pressure switch and 240v-30a contactor to run the thing.


Thanks, everyone, for checking in and reading the ramblings. I appreciate it.

Cheers,
Chris
 
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****... This happened last night.



Good news...
Weather looks great for the next week! Once the snow melts I hope to have the blaster ready.

Cheers,
Chris
 
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Glad to see an update Chris.

So did you get the frame into the shop. How hard it must have been to leave that compressor alone. I know that feeling keeps happening with the 64'. Can't leave anything untouched. All has to be cleaned, blasted, new gaskets and paint. Why not its all apart anyways. So I don't know much about Quincy but I assume you are going to come way under on price but with good value on this thing once it gets the NEDNORTON attention it obviously needed.

Love how the guy had this inside his apartment. Wow. That is why I never use craigslist.

Your welds look way better than anything I could muster.

Bret
 

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Is your new 220V plug from Home Depot? Lowes? I have been disappointed by their selection & haven't found a great alternative. Supposed I could stop by Rexel.

Great compressor story! You can't get memories like that from the store. You destroyed my $150 deal on a used Ingersol Rand SS3 60 gallon. Unless of course you left out the fact that it was a 3rd story apartment.

The next time you need any electric motor or parts, call Bill Jr. at Boulder Electric Motor. He is great and might have a used, refurb. or new motor for you. Hell he even showed me how to trick a 3Ph motor into starting with a 2Ph feed & some capacitors. Can't endorse him enough. Great guy & business.
 
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Great compressor story. The fact that you went through that deal and are now personally bringing it back to life I find much more rewarding than just buying it new off the shelf.
 

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Blue is an excellent color for a compressor. I picked up a quincy a couple years ago for a little more money and a little less drama that has served well but needs some attention to the valves. Not really a project I'm looking forward to dealing with.

Speaking of projects, where does that mill project sit?
 

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Darn, I thought a like fire action would spark things up around there. :beer:

Great negotiating skills. Amazing the deals you come across when you have patience on your side. Hope you have a blast in the coming weeks. :thumbup:
 

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Nice to see stuff getting done! That compressor deal is also why I take craigslist with a large amount of skepticism. You have a way of finding deals I wish I had. What kind of paint are you planning for the frame?
 
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Bret (bj383ss) - The frame is still outside, in the snow. :mad: I was hoping to have the compressor up and running so I could blast it before bringing it into the shop.

So I don't know much about Quincy but I assume you are going to come way under on price but with good value on this thing once it gets the NEDNORTON attention it obviously needed.

Bret

I hope. Had to dig a little deeper than I wanted to tonight on it. details to follow.

Huxley - 220 plug. I got that one from HD. Just like you, I'm not super impressed with the quality. That is one of the big reasons that I went with the Hubble shielded twist locks on my lathe and mill. Your right, Bill is a great guy. They used to rebuild all our saws and framing nailers. Defiantly a class act.

melle & Jyzze - I love the winter also. I guess you have to when you live in the mountains!

rmalkow2 - I'm hoping that it comes back to life. I had a small hiccup today.

250 - Ahh, the mill. :willy_nil I have prepped a few more pieces but was really pushing to get the frame in before the snow. Didn't make it, obviously. I plan to get back to painting the mill once I have the air in the shop sorted. Almost all the parts are ready for paint so, it's getting there.

GLTHFJ60 - Thanks. More work than I bargained for but, with any luck, it will serve the shop indefinitely.

Shorty (shortykorte) - I hope that my negotiation skills didn't buy me a money pit but, after tonight, I'm hopeful the end will be near.

GB (Grumblebum) - I'm hoping that the Quincy fills the gap the Rol-Air left. The 60 is going to need it!

AZpilot - Paint for the frame I think is going to be KB Coatings Rust Seal followed up with a top coat for UV.. CoopVa used it on his Scout project and a few other guys around here have had good results. Unlike Coop, I want to spray it.

Thanks folks for checking in and commenting. It keeps me going.

Cheers,
Chris
 
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The Quincy…

I have been trying to make it into the shop every night after my wife goes to bed. Last night I figured I would keep plugging away on the compressor. The controls for it (parts to make the controls anyway) are on the way from Zoro but I did have the rest of the copper for the discharge, drain, air output and unloader.

Pieces and parts…


Going together…


I built the drain out of all brass to keep the rust at bay since it will see the most moister…


I’ll connect this to the filter/regulator (w/ drain leg)…


Done… (starting to look like something, Frankenstein)


Or so I thought.

Just for kicks I went and turned the pump. Good news; I have air pressure. Bad news, the pump pulley is wobbling, a lot. ****. Either it’s a bent pulley or I have a bent shaft.

Off with the pulley…

I did some very precise measuring on the pulley, i.e. I laid it on the tablesaw. Flat and straight was the verdict.

Can anyone tell me what these are?


They look like hammer marks to me. Just for kicks I broke out the dial indicator. Yes ladies and gents, I have a bent shaft. Damn it. There goes the neighborhood. :mad: It’s my fault for not checking it sooner. :withstupi Can you believe that some gorilla used a hammer to try to straighten it out? By the looks of it, a BFH! Who does that? :rant:

I guess I’m opening this thing up after all but it was late so I went to bed and saved it for fresh eyes.

Tuesday... After work.

Tonight I pulled the covers and looked inside (Something I swore I was not going to do this round. Remember the, just get it running idea?)


Paint inside? Weird. Good news, no metal shavings in the sump. :rocker:

This isn’t good, at all.


I could see the shaft was bent, no gauges necessary. It was that bad. Good thing I know a hack, home-shop machinist wannabe, that likes to work nights.

Off with the end bearing so I could get it into the lathe.


This is how not to set-up a work piece. (For all those shaking their heads and wagging the fingers, this was before the steady rest.)


I forgot to get a picture with the steady rest so you will just have to take my word for it. :scared: Good news is that the shaft journals are within .002 and the bend is contained to the flywheel part of the shaft. Once things were lined up, I faced off the end of the shaft and drilled a new guide for the live center. Look at those hammer markes! :eyecrazy:


When Quincy balances the assembly, my guess is that they do the entire assembly, crank and pistons. Just spinning the crank at 600 rpm was giving my little lathe a good shake. Makes me want a bigger, heavier lathe. :evil:


Done…

I turned up a bushing from some hot rolled round bar to make up for the material I removed from the shaft. (Complete with cutout for the key stock)






Like a glove!




I’ll put it all back together once the new bearings show-up. Yep, I’m replacing those while it’s apart. Grrrrrrrr.

Before closing up for the night, I started to think about the fact that I hadn’t tested the “new” motor. With the way my luck has been going on this thing, I was a little worried. Hooked a spare dryer cord to it and….


Purrs like a kitten! As Ricky Bobby said, “Thank you, Baby Jesus!” :lol_hitti

To all those in the states, I hope everyone has a safe and happy holiday. The plan is to have a bunch of friends and family to the house on Thursday. Priceless.

Cheers,
Chris
 
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Chris & Jen, Happy Thanksgiving! We hope y'all have a wonderful holiday!

Don

PS. Maybe it was just my dumb luck, but I had little luck with Teflon tape, thin or thick, sealing my brass air line pipe fittings. Hopefully, your experience with tape on air lines will be better than mine, if not... Rectorseal pipe thread sealant did the trick for me.
 

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Great job on the shaft repair. The seller probably didn't know why he got it so cheap.

It's good you've got a clamp on flywheel. Watch the flywheel, if it starts to walk off the shaft because of the extra joint during thermal cycling, you can drill, tap, and plug the joint from the exposed end to keep any movement from getting out of hand.
 

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Hey Chris...haven't had the chance to check in for a while, life has been so hectic lately (wife and I are expecting our first child in march). Been trying to wrap up a bunch of my projects, as well as starting to get the nursery together.

Most importantly, I'm glad to see that your wife is home resting, and that her recovery is going well. Hope things stay on that path, but it sounds like she's over the worst of it.

Looks like you've jumped right in to another project. You're making great progress there as well. I'm actually in the market for a 60-80 gallon compressor myself. One thing I've always wondered, is it common practice to inspect the inside of a tank for rust? It's one of the few places you can't really see when purchasing used, and have been Leary about looking at used compressors for that reason! Keep up the great work.
 

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So jealous of the lathe, alleged steady rest & your fancy new compressor. I have too many irons in the fire. I passed on a Quincy 350 pump at auction this week. Feel my pain.

Re: inspecting inside the tank, sounds like a great excuse for one of those little inspection cameras! I recall people swirling acid (or something) around in the tanks to tame rust.
 

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Great work Chris. I need to make an extension for my drain like you have so I won't have to crawl under there. I also have an automatic drain bookmarked on Amazon I want to get. You set it to drain for you. Like once a day or whatever you like. I am sure you have seen them before.

Bret
 

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I've used a piece of hydraulic hose for years to go from the street ell under the tank to the blowdown valve. Hose is good for pressure, cheap, does not corrode, and prevents vibration from cracking a long extension. And the more volume you have in your extension, the less likely you will accumulate enough condensate to corrode the tank.

But last year I bought a cheap electric valve that blows down regularly, under $30.
 
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Don (dhubbard422) - Happy Thanksgiving to you two as well! I hope that you guys gad a great holiday and weekend!

Mac (rmack989) - Hope you had a good holiday. Thanks for the vote of encouragement. It's great to get to use the machine tools, for sure. My skills are pretty limited but, what do they say? You have to crawl before you walk. I'm much better than I was when I started turning stuff but, that isn't saying much.

fergus - Thanks. Yep, there is something about fixing and building things that just can't be beat. I just hope it runs after all this. :wtf:

Rusty (rusty1161) - Appreciate it. Thanks for stopping in and posting.

Andy (oldironfarmer) - I appreciate the thoughts on the flywheel. Now that you said something I think I may just head it off at the pass and install the plug. With my luck I would be blasting outside and, "BOOM!" One flywheel through something expensive or a pain to fix. Better safe than sorry. Also, I was thinking about hydraulic hose before plumbing the drain. I'm hoping that the brass can deal with the vibration. The plan is to install an auto drain but for now just getting it running will be an accomplishment. As always, Andy... It's great to hear from you.

Mr. Roboto - Thanks for checking in. I think I posted on your thread but just in case, CONGRATULATIONS! Baby on the way is awesome news. It's not every day that you get to add a nursery to the project list. :rocker: You should add a crib and changing table also!

Huxley - Passed on a 350? You feelin' OK? :bounce:

Bret (bj383ss) - Mind sharing the valve you have book marked? All the ones I seem to find are in the $100 range and way out of the budget for this thing.

Thanks folks for checking in. I hope everyone has had a great weekend.

Cheers,
Chris
 

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I know you didn't ask me, but this is the valve I bought on eBay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-2-Automatic-Electronic-Timed-Air-Compressed-Gas-Tank-Drain-Valve-AC220V-/161320356350?hash=item258f7149fe:g:YmoAAOSwdzVXk4j4

Works great, has an inlet strainer, the only down side is the maximum blowdown interval is 45 minutes so it blows for 1/2 second every 45 minutes when the compressor has power, if you wire it downstream of the compressor disconnect switch.

The brass should be good in that drain service. I made the hose comment for others considering extending their drain.

Andy
 

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Mr. Roboto - Thanks for checking in. I think I posted on your thread but just in case, CONGRATULATIONS! Baby on the way is awesome news. It's not every day that you get to add a nursery to the project list. :rocker: You should add a crib and changing table also!

Thank you! Funny you should mention that, I just got done refinishing this changing table today! We're buying the crib new, though.

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Beautiful work on that compressor shaft. Hope the holidays went smooth. Sorry about the Broncos today.
 

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That compressor was a great score even if it did require some repair and additional parts. I need to carve out some time to do some updates on my compressor and plumbing. I've considered going with an auto drain but typically just crack the valve for a bit on my way out of the door if I've been using it. I'm also thinking about using a double valve on the drain so I don't have to blow so much air out of the 3/4" ball valve I picked.
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Andy (oldironfarmer) - Thanks for the link! That fits the budget, for sure. I'm figuring out if I want to keep the lines pressurized all the time or not. As a contractor I always had my guys drain the compressor every night. Come to think of it, we did that at the Goodyear that I worked at in H.S. also. I guess it is just habit now. I'll see how long the compressor has to work to fill the lines each time after being drained and go from there.

Bret (bj383) - Thanks. You and Andy got me spending way too much time on what to do for the drain. It would be nice, no doubt.

Thank you! Funny you should mention that, I just got done refinishing this changing table today! We're buying the crib new, though.

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:rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker:

AZpilot - Thanks. Easy holiday, which was nice. One of the replacement bearings for the shaft is in transit and I hope it all works out!

Steve (1/2 Cup) - I appreciate it. Nice to use the shop to help fix a tool for the shop. I can't wait for this thing to be pushing air!

JB (jbmatth) - I'm hoping that the entire thing comes in at a reasonable number. It is a two stage and after my talk with the Tech at Quincy should, with the RPM's I'm planning to run (900), make 19cfm@175psi. That is more than enough for anything I have planned, even the blasting.

Thanks folks for checking in, I always appreciate it.

Cheers,
Chris
 
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Bits, pieces and motor control…

Over the last week parts for the Quincy have been trickling in. I’m still trying; in vain it feels like most days, to keep this thing cheap and easy. So most of the new parts have been sourced from eBay and from Zoro (20% off coupon). With all the parts in-house I was feeling a little guilty so it was time to put in a few nights.

Some of the stuff…


New liquid filled gauge for the tank… ($10 on eBay)


Since the old owner kept the motor I had to get a new pulley. After talking with the Tech at Quincy he said that a 7.25” will turn this pump around 900 rpm. That is just about perfect for a 5hp motor and good for 19cfm @175psi. :3gears:

Can’t ask for much more. I left it loose and will do the finial fit once the crank is back in.


175/145 pressure switch.


Pressure switch installed and the un-loader hooked up…




Motor/Compressor control

The dust collection control box that I built last year really got me thinking about what I wanted for compressor control. I knew that it needed the basics like overload protection and I wanted to use a contactor so the pressure switch didn’t have to handle all the motor current. I wanted a run-time gauge for service intervals and a pressure gauge that was easy to read on the panel. Also, seeing how hard the motor was working in real time sounded like a good idea so I added an ammeter and voltage gauge. It has 2 green LEDs for both 120V feed lines and a green and amber status light along with a “Standby” switch. For a little added safety, and because I hate turning on a compressor and having it kick on while I’m standing next to it, there is a delay relay. The delay is only active when you power the control on or after using the standby switch and is inactive during normal cycling. The LED stays amber during the delay then goes green. This should be an added safety on the off chance the power goes out and some one is standing over it when it kicks back on. Plus, I just like it. Aren't relays cool? :rocker:

Time to get moving…

I had most of this stuff, relays and LEDs, left over from another project. Still trying to stay on budget, I promise.

More fun with the knockout punch!


Looking like something … (I have labels on order that fill the blank areas)


The way I do these is to install all the components and then run the wire.
Everyone installed…


A few minutes (hours) later…

I really do enjoy making these things. From the initial design to the execution, it’s all fun. I think I need help.

At home on the wall…


Circuit breakers protect wire but do not protect appliances. Fuses protect motors during overload. The Baldor 5hp pulls 21amps so I’m going with 25amp in the disconnect.


Compressor hook-up

Liquid Tight fittings from the box to the motor and from the box to the pressure switch…


All wired up on the control side… (Doesn’t that picture make your OCD sing? It does mine!)


Wiring motor side. My pump needs to turn counter-clockwise. The Baldor motor has really clear wiring instructions.


Done…


Pressure switch. Since I am using a contactor in the control box the pressure switch is only handling the very small amount of current need for the coil on the relay. It is 120v and so only ½ of the contacts are used plus ground.


Done…


All ready to go…


Testing time!

Turn the system on and… No smoke! That's good! :D
On w/ start delay…


All green and motor running!


I like the gauges. 9.5 - 9.7 amps with no load.


I even hooked up the run gauge right!


McMaster-Carr has shipped out the push to connect fittings and tube for the panel mount pressure gauge. It should be here end of week.

Here is how she sits tonight. If you ignore the big hole where the crank goes it looks like its coming along and may actually work. :wtf:



One bearing is sill on it’s way. As soon as it shows, I’ll get this thing back together and really test her out. Until then, I’m sure I can find a few other things to keep me busy in the shop (sanding mill parts comes to mind).

Thanks for reading the ramblings.

Cheers,
Chris
 
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