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I need a small LED or neon type indicator to attach to line side of main
that will monitor power.
Reasoning is if main is off and generator running you dont know when commercial power is restored.
Yea I know I could put in an ATS,but not ready to get that involved.
 
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If you have an extra breaker slot you can attach a box to the side/bottom of the main panel and run a circuit into there. You then mount a pilot light in the box. I know my dad bought a light like this decades ago.
 

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Had a similar need, and solved it with the parts you see in this post:
 

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+1 Looks great to me.

Based on the instructions, it's a non-contact voltage detector that screams when the power comes back on. Because you're not hand-holding it, it uses a ground connection for reference (which should make it very reliable), and I really like the fact that it's non-contact, because tapping onto unfused mains is best avoided.
 

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Had a similar need, and solved it with the parts you see in this post:
The OP wants to monitor power on the unfused line side of the main breaker. Much safer to use the product linked in post #3
 

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If you have an extra breaker slot you can attach a box to the side/bottom of the main panel and run a circuit into there. You then mount a pilot light in the box. I know my dad bought a light like this decades ago.
That connection point would indicate the generator is providing power. The OP wants to see when commercial power is restored. Upstream of the main breaker which is turned off when his generator is on.
 

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If you have neighbors just look to see when their lights come back on. The only thing about that Reliance monitor is its an audible alarm and if your panel is located outside you may not hear the alarm when power is restored.
 

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If you have neighbors just look to see when their lights come back on. The only thing about that Reliance monitor is its an audible alarm and if your panel is located outside you may not hear the alarm when power is restored.
Yes, but here in the country all the neighbors in eye sight (Only 3) have generators also. I purchased an LED strip that I was going to remove the buzzer and install it to be seen from the house. Not sure if it is going to work. But for around $20 if it don't I'm not out much.

I wish our security light was like the house I grew up in, on line power, so before any house / property panels. On and you know you have power, off and its still out. I don't think they allow that any longer.
 

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The OP wants to monitor power on the unfused line side of the main breaker. Much safer to use the product linked in post #3
OK, now I've re-read the original post and see that he wants to monitor "street power" ahead of the main breaker. Agree, a capacitive pickup device like post #3 link is best here, you want nothing contacting said conductors.

But that leaves open the issue that there is no transfer switch in the system, and a dangerous backfeed could occur if the main breaker isn't kept in the "off" position. Highly not recommended.
 

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If you have an extra breaker slot you can attach a box to the side/bottom of the main panel and run a circuit into there. You then mount a pilot light in the box. I know my dad bought a light like this decades ago.
How does that work with the main disconnect being open/shut off?

That light won’t indicate when the PoCo power comes on it will just tell you that the generator is on
 

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I need a small LED or neon type indicator to attach to line side of main
that will monitor power.
Reasoning is if main is off and generator running you dont know when commercial power is restored.
Yea I know I could put in an ATS,but not ready to get that involved.
Why not just look at your meter every so often? If its a smart meter it will be on when power is back (the screen will display your usage). If its an old school meter it will be spinning.

I know its not really "instant" since you need to go to the outside of your house where the meter is... but at least its free.
 

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So is walking to work every day, but it's not as convenient as driving. 🙄
Not quite the same analogy.
The meter is at your home, where you already are when running your generator

In your example it would be as if you work from home and are asking people's opinions on car recommendations as you want to drive down your driveway and back, instead of walking in circles, from your from door back to your home office.
 

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Yay, another pointless argument.

The guy wants a way to be alerted when the power is back. This isnt complicated, nor expensive to implement.

I have zero desire to go outside to check a meter during a storm and not everyone can see their neighbor's house
 
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Yay, another pointless argument.

The guy wants a way to be alerted when the power is back. This isnt complicated, nor expensive to implement.

I have zero desire to go outside to check a meter during a storm and not everyone can see their neighbor's house
Well said.

My generator is about 80' from the house.

I can't see neighbors.

If it's dark and rainy out I'd rather not go look around and get soaked to find out the grid is still down. We used to get fairly accurate text updates, but I noticed last winter it could be hours off.

For $50 I might get one of the reliance units and see if I can mod it to a battery powered LED. Would be perfect to look out my window, see a light is on and go switch the interlock.

Thinking about it I could probably scrounge up a CT and a few parts and put this together.
 

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I think it would be nice if the device had a timer in it. The last thing I need is a 100db alarm going off every time the power pops off for a moment, and even when the power is out longer, I'm not pulling the generator out right away.
 

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I think it would be nice if the device had a timer in it. The last thing I need is a 100db alarm going off every time the power pops off for a moment, and even when the power is out longer, I'm not pulling the generator out right away.
Does it alarm when the grid is off, or on?

I thought on, but it just have some logic to know if was off, right? I agree, a delay would be nice to make sure the grid is stable.
 

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Does it alarm when the grid is off, or on?

I thought on, but it just have some logic to know if was off, right? I agree, a delay would be nice to make sure the grid is stable.
It alarms when power comes back. I just realized it has a switch. You turn on the device when you hook up your generator. So outside of that, it just sits idle.

Its almost like they thought this through...🤦
 

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It alarms when power comes back. I just realized it has a switch. You turn on the device when you hook up your generator. So outside of that, it just sits idle.

Its almost like they thought this through...🤦

Missed that myself. I want foolproof, not something else to remember....


I'm thinking CT around the grid feed, small 12v battery for light tied to an outlet for charging. Power goes out for 10 minutes, starts the monitor circuit (possibly trigger red LED). When power is back on for 5 minutes, green LED comes on and stays lit for an hour. Maybe have an adjustable time, or after 30 minutes it goes into heartbeat mode.

Deluxe model has Wi-Fi
 

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Missed that myself. I want foolproof, not something else to remember....


I'm thinking CT around the grid feed, small 12v battery for light tied to an outlet for charging. Power goes out for 10 minutes, starts the monitor circuit (possibly trigger red LED). When power is back on for 5 minutes, green LED comes on and stays lit for an hour. Maybe have an adjustable time, or after 30 minutes it goes into heartbeat mode.

Deluxe model has Wi-Fi
Do it
 

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Since the house is still powered by the generator let’s hope the meter is not spinning.
If he has a generator sub panel then he would have severed the connection between his main breaker and the generator sub panel. The meter can, and will, spin once grid power comes back on,.. or. If its a smart meter the display will illuminate and display usage.

While grid power is down then yes, the meters display will be off and/or not spinning.

Really the easiest way is to wire your sub panel and main panel in such a way that several breakers are left on grid power prior to the disconnect... and plug a lamp into those outlets. When the lamp comes on, your grid power is back.
 

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Really the easiest way is to wire your sub panel and main panel in such a way that several breakers are left on grid power prior to the disconnect... and plug a lamp into those outlets. When the lamp comes on, your grid power is back.
The simplest way to connect a generator is an interlock kit, assuming one is available for your panel, which means the whole panel is shut off. Doing a multi circuit transfer switch is definitely doable, but not nearly as easy.

Based on the OP saying "the main is off", I think presuming that he is using an interlock, or a transfer switch on the feeder, is reasonable.
 

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I'm thinking CT around the grid feed
Doesn't current needs to be flowing for a CT to work?
You' d be putting the CT on a wire that isn't connected to anything at one end (main breaker off).
What's drawing power to cause it to create a voltage?
 

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Doesn't current needs to be flowing for a CT to work?
You' d be putting the CT on a wire that isn't connected to anything at one end (main breaker off).
What's drawing power to cause it to create a voltage?
I think you're right, back to the drawing board
 

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I'm guessing that Reliance gadget senses power via interference, like how you can use an AM radio to detect a power cable.
 

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I'm guessing that Reliance gadget senses power via interference, like how you can use an AM radio to detect a power cable.
I found a couple circuit designs, you're not far off.
 

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I have this installed at my main panel. It's perfect. It does exactly what I want it to do. I do not store the batteries in it while not in use.... Alkaline batteries are notorious for leaking acid into whatever device they're installed in.
Not a bad idea regarding the batteries. That got me to this thought. What if you got a 9V battery eliminator, and plugged it into a source that's only on generator, and used that to power the gadget. Then you could leave the switch on, and it won't scream unless your generator is putting out power AND utility is working. So, it will tell you when utility comes on, but may also scream while you're exercising your generator, depending on how you hook it up.
 

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Not a bad idea regarding the batteries. That got me to this thought. What if you got a 9V battery eliminator, and plugged it into a source that's only on generator, and used that to power the gadget. Then you could leave the switch on, and it won't scream unless your generator is putting out power AND utility is working. So, it will tell you when utility comes on, but may also scream while you're exercising your generator, depending on how you hook it up.
I like the idea, but how to implement it? How do you get a receptacle setup that is only generator fed without running another cord from the generator? Only thing I can think of would be to tap into the generator feeder, but then you are (generally) looking at a 30a circuit
 

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I like the idea, but how to implement it? How do you get a receptacle setup that is only generator fed without running another cord from the generator? Only thing I can think of would be to tap into the generator feeder, but then you are (generally) looking at a 30a circuit
Most generators have outlets on them. You can plug a wall wart into that and then carry the 9VDC in whatever cheap wire you want. Thermostat wire, heck ethernet cable would do the trick.
 

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Most generators have outlets on them. You can plug a wall wart into that and then carry the 9VDC in whatever cheap wire you want. Thermostat wire, heck ethernet cable would do the trick.
Oh yeah, I get that. It's just another cord to run
 

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I like the idea, but how to implement it? How do you get a receptacle setup that is only generator fed without running another cord from the generator? Only thing I can think of would be to tap into the generator feeder, but then you are (generally) looking at a 30a circuit
tap into the gen feed in the panel and fuse it down.
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