Power to new barn

[Triman8654]

Ok we’re building a new detached pole barn not quite 20’ from house. I’m wanting to run electric, natural gas, water to it from the house. I’ve dug out the sewer line coming into house so I can tap into it for a sink and the floor drain. So from my picture of trench what else can I lay in trench.? What kind of separation do I need from all 4. I plan on coming through the foundation if code will allow.
I’m in northern Indiana NIPSCO for gas and electric.

 

[MrSurly]

My understanding is that the gas line *cannot* be run thru the slab, it must come up outside the wall and then penetrate wherever. Gas line also must be of the special yellow poly pipe with special fittings to 90* steel risers coming out of the ground and there *must be* a tracer wire run with the pipe.


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[MrSurly]

My inspector said my conduit had to be at least 18” below the ground (top of conduit) and he didn’t seem to care how many utilities shared a ditch but keep in mind the pitch requirement of the sewer pipe.


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[Triman8654]

I am going to use the special yellow underground pipe and a wire for location. So if the gas does not come through the foundation of the house where then must it come through.? I understand it cannot come through my new floor slab. I’m trying to tap into gas from under my house through foundation brick, then to new barn.

 

[Augus7us]

I just had my propane guy out and he echoed what the guys have said above. You can't come up through the slab, so it goes in the side of the barn like at the house. At the house it comes out of the ground maybe a foot then does a 90 into the house.

I just realized it seems your talking how to get it out of the house. If that is the case just come out the side of the banding board like your water spigot, then bury it and do the same at the barn end.

 

[Triman8654]

Yes that’s was I was looking for on the natural gas.

 

[6768rogues]

In our area (western NY) propane must enter the building above grade, but natural gas can enter the building either above or below grade. Older installations of NG had it entering below grade because the meter was indoors, but newer installations have the meter outdoors so the pipe generally enters above grade. I am not sure if the pipe can come up vertically from below a slab, though. Typical below grade installations have the pipe entering through a cellar wall. Interesting question, so I am going to look it up in the code.
If we put sewer and water in the same trench, the water has to be above the sewer and off to the side on a shelf in the trench. Usually that means separate trenches unless you have an unusually deep sewer line so the water can be below frost depth with the sewer lower than that.
Our gas company will install 100 feet of service for free. Rather than hook up to my house gas, I had them come and put in a separate service for the barn. Pro: Free installation, their pipe to maintain, separate meter so I can track usage of each building. Con: I have to pay a meter fee for summer months when the barn is not using gas, gas is sales tax exempt for the house but not for the barn.

 

[Triman8654]

Good info 6768rogues. Thanks

 

[TheOtherChris]

I believe many areas will not permit you to tie a floor drain into a public sewer system.
You may want to check that as well

 

[6768rogues]

The other Chris is correct, but as he mentioned it varies by area. Our are wants the floor drain connected to the sanitary sewer so that anything going down it goes through the treatment plan and not directly to a lake or stream or the environment in an untreated state. However, sometimes the municipality will require an oil/water separator in a garage drain. I assumed you had a septic system.

 

[6768rogues]

I looked in the NYS code for provisions pertaining to supplying gas to a building; the NYS code is a variant of the International Code, which is almost universal. Our residential code Section 2415.6 says, "Gas piping shall enter and exit a building at a point above grade and the annular space between the pipe and the wall shall be sealed." That code pertains to residential structures and accessory structures (limited to one and two family not above three stories). I also checked the NYS Fuel Gas Code (Section 404.6), which applies to commercial structures and residential structures beyond the scope of the residential code, and the language is the same. The residential code lifted the language from the fuel gas code so that all residential information is in one book. I know of many underground installations, but it appears that they are now preexisting nonconforming features and no longer permitted in new installations. My previous post was not right, I stand corrected. If your area enforces the same code, so be it.

Another thought about my extra meter for the barn. I have to do some excavation for my house drainage system and I need a stake out of the gas line for the barn. Since I have another meter at the barn, the gas company will stake out the pipe. If I had a private pipe from the house to the barn, I would be on my own for a stake out because the utility is under no obligation to stake out piping that they do not own. Food for thought.