Does anyone have any experience with this stuff? If so, what are your thoughts? I just put this down as a top coat to my epoxy floor. I may need to do another coat to add a little grit... It's pretty slick. At $258 per gallon, I'm regretting not putting the grit down on the first or second coat...
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PPG 700 PSX Siloxane
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Does anyone have any experience with this stuff? If so, what are your thoughts? I just put this down as a top coat to my epoxy floor. I may need to do another coat to add a little grit... It's pretty slick. At $258 per gallon, I'm regretting not putting the grit down on the first or second coat...
Since you posted about it I've been reading up about it and wondering how it would work. It seems extremely durable. I've got an in with a bodyshop that used PPG products, maybe they have a rep that could offer advice for the floor application.
JD in DFW
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Have put it down in a number of applications, the stuff is pretty good and it's UV tolerants and salt water applications go above and beyond from the applications that I have used it on. I have one customer that we put it on their pool deck with metal chairs scraping all over the place and the PPG 700 has held up great. Have put in in a few commercial places as well and it has held up real well with service traffic at two dealership service depts drive up areas where the guys write up the work orders.
Feel free to call me if you guys have any questions on it. It does have a pretty fast pot time in the summer months so you have to be moving or work with small 1-2 gal batches.
JD
Feel free to call me if you guys have any questions on it. It does have a pretty fast pot time in the summer months so you have to be moving or work with small 1-2 gal batches.
JD
thegarageguy
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Hey JD, you used this on an exterior project? No fear of vapor emissions?
Scramblur, are you saying with this system, there is no need to sand to recoat??
Curious to know more about this technology. For the price, it better be indestructable, applicate easy and have incredibly beautiful results.
Scramblur, are you saying with this system, there is no need to sand to recoat??
Curious to know more about this technology. For the price, it better be indestructable, applicate easy and have incredibly beautiful results.
I put 1 gallon over 650sqft then recoated with a second gallon. You can recoat at any time without sanding. There is a minimum of 3 hours before recoat with no maximum. It is suppose to be many times stronger than any urathane coating available. I wanted the same stuff they use on airplane hangers and this is what I got.
hldtyt
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thegarageguy
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What does this mean exactly, "There is a minimum of 3 hours before recoat with no maximum"?
Most epoxies and urethanes have a no sanding required before 72 hours to recoat.
Now before you begin to make outlandish claims, like "It is suppose to be many times stronger than any urathane coating available", make sure you have facts backing that up. Not saying it's right or wrong, just saying to not make claims without facts.
Most epoxies and urethanes have a no sanding required before 72 hours to recoat.
Now before you begin to make outlandish claims, like "It is suppose to be many times stronger than any urathane coating available", make sure you have facts backing that up. Not saying it's right or wrong, just saying to not make claims without facts.
Garageguy - Per PPG specs, it never requires sanding before recoat.
I'm not intending to make outlandish claims, this is what the PPG dealer said. The spec sheet posted in this thread gives the specs. PPG says "PSX® 700 is the world’s first weatherable epoxy that embodies the properties of both a high performance epoxy and an acrylic polyurethane in one coat." Then goes on to say "Gloss and appearance retention exceeding the best polyurethane".
NASA - "This data generated at Kennedy Space Center was used for the final version of the product. PSX-738 is a product designed to withstand twice as much continuous heat as conventional heat-resistant coatings (more than 2,000 degrees F),
Ameron's PSX 700 features a proprietary epoxy/siloxane hybrid formula that offers better protection against corrosion, abrasion and weathering than the highest-quality systems that combine epoxy and aliphatic polyurethane coatings. Accelerated weathering tests and field tests have shown that PSX 700's adhesion and resistance to corrosion and abrasion are superior to those of the best traditional epoxy coatings, while its long-term weatherability, gloss and color retention surpass those of top-quality aliphatic polyurethanes. "
PPG/Ameron Press Release - "Many of our customers find that a single coat of PSX 700 performs better than the traditional two-coat epoxy-polyurethane system that has been the industry standard for many years," said Dr. Raymond Foscante, Ameron's senior vice president, technology, and a key figure in the development of PSX product line. "In addition, the product offers significant cost savings. Since a single coat of PSX 700 can often do the job of multiple coats of conventional products, you save not only on material, but also application time. PSX 700 also has a far longer service life than competitive materials, so you don't need to repaint as often."
"PSX 700 adheres strongly to bare steel, coated steel and surfaces coated with inorganic zinc silicate primers; its 2,700-psi adhesive strength is more than double that offered by conventional epoxy coatings. When the product is used for maintenance painting, it requires minimum surface preparation. "
"The product is typically used on bridges and other steel structures, topsides and superstructures of ships, offshore platforms, industrial plant exteriors and interiors, rail car exteriors, tanks and piping, concrete walls and floors and many other applications requiring high-performance protection and long-term gloss and color retention. PSX 700 can be applied with airless or conventional spray equipment, brush or roller. "
"PSX 700 is part of Ameron's growing line of "environmentally designed" industrial coatings that provide superior protection while reducing the danger of pollution. Because the PSX-700 formula is extremely low in solvents and volatile organic compounds (VOCs), the product easily satisfies the most stringent environmental health and safety requirements and cuts hazardous waste disposal costs. "
I know nothing about the other products, but after readinfg the spec sheet, you'll be able to decide. I picked it because the Navy uses it on their ships and NASA uses it on their launch pads (good enough for my woodshop). I also like that when I wanted to touch it up or recoat I didn't have to sand. The wholesaler I purchased it from uses it on their floor and it has held up very well to traffic.
I'm not intending to make outlandish claims, this is what the PPG dealer said. The spec sheet posted in this thread gives the specs. PPG says "PSX® 700 is the world’s first weatherable epoxy that embodies the properties of both a high performance epoxy and an acrylic polyurethane in one coat." Then goes on to say "Gloss and appearance retention exceeding the best polyurethane".
NASA - "This data generated at Kennedy Space Center was used for the final version of the product. PSX-738 is a product designed to withstand twice as much continuous heat as conventional heat-resistant coatings (more than 2,000 degrees F),
Ameron's PSX 700 features a proprietary epoxy/siloxane hybrid formula that offers better protection against corrosion, abrasion and weathering than the highest-quality systems that combine epoxy and aliphatic polyurethane coatings. Accelerated weathering tests and field tests have shown that PSX 700's adhesion and resistance to corrosion and abrasion are superior to those of the best traditional epoxy coatings, while its long-term weatherability, gloss and color retention surpass those of top-quality aliphatic polyurethanes. "
PPG/Ameron Press Release - "Many of our customers find that a single coat of PSX 700 performs better than the traditional two-coat epoxy-polyurethane system that has been the industry standard for many years," said Dr. Raymond Foscante, Ameron's senior vice president, technology, and a key figure in the development of PSX product line. "In addition, the product offers significant cost savings. Since a single coat of PSX 700 can often do the job of multiple coats of conventional products, you save not only on material, but also application time. PSX 700 also has a far longer service life than competitive materials, so you don't need to repaint as often."
"PSX 700 adheres strongly to bare steel, coated steel and surfaces coated with inorganic zinc silicate primers; its 2,700-psi adhesive strength is more than double that offered by conventional epoxy coatings. When the product is used for maintenance painting, it requires minimum surface preparation. "
"The product is typically used on bridges and other steel structures, topsides and superstructures of ships, offshore platforms, industrial plant exteriors and interiors, rail car exteriors, tanks and piping, concrete walls and floors and many other applications requiring high-performance protection and long-term gloss and color retention. PSX 700 can be applied with airless or conventional spray equipment, brush or roller. "
"PSX 700 is part of Ameron's growing line of "environmentally designed" industrial coatings that provide superior protection while reducing the danger of pollution. Because the PSX-700 formula is extremely low in solvents and volatile organic compounds (VOCs), the product easily satisfies the most stringent environmental health and safety requirements and cuts hazardous waste disposal costs. "
I know nothing about the other products, but after readinfg the spec sheet, you'll be able to decide. I picked it because the Navy uses it on their ships and NASA uses it on their launch pads (good enough for my woodshop). I also like that when I wanted to touch it up or recoat I didn't have to sand. The wholesaler I purchased it from uses it on their floor and it has held up very well to traffic.
Will S.
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Scramblur, who is the wholesaler where you purchased? I am only a week away from being ready to coat my new construction 1725 s.f. detached garage.
thegarageguy
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You didnt have to copy and paste their whole product data sheet. I'm sure it's good stuff. I'm weary about no need to resand though. I called a rep, gonna get some samples and see what is all the hubub. Just know, what you are reading is a "sales sheet" from them. Not an independent scientific report.
Btw, The military, NASA, government in general uses all kinds of companies for many different products. Crossfield products (makers of Miracote) made their name by coating Naval ships years ago and still now.
Btw, The military, NASA, government in general uses all kinds of companies for many different products. Crossfield products (makers of Miracote) made their name by coating Naval ships years ago and still now.
JD in DFW
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Hey JD, you used this on an exterior project? No fear of vapor emissions?
Scramblur, are you saying with this system, there is no need to sand to recoat??
Curious to know more about this technology. For the price, it better be indestructable, applicate easy and have incredibly beautiful results.
Yes prep is alittle different and I did do a concrete penetrating seal first and then two layers of coating then the 700. In any out door applications I do I don't offer the same warranty as I do on an indoor app. But I am happy to say(knocking on wood) I have not had any failures with any of my outdoor applications....unless you count a rattle snake getting stuck in a top coat once. Thing was still alive the next morning and getting it out was not picnic...yes we did put the snake down before we got it all cut out of the cured coating.
JD
Garageguy - The stuff I posted wasn't all off the spec sheet. I'm only trying to share some of the stuff I read. Let us know how your sample tests go. Here is the actual scientific study conducted by NASA, from the nasa.gov site. http://corrosion.ksc.nasa.gov/pubs/96-1m0167.pdf
thegarageguy
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So JD, you are just using this product as a top coat only? Question....how fast does it cure? Is it a quick turn around type? Meaning, can it handle heavy traffic the next day, lets say 10,000 people foot traffic or car dealership service center?
Thanks Scramblur, interesting study
Thanks Scramblur, interesting study
....unless you count a rattle snake getting stuck in a top coat once.
JD
We have seen pictures of snakes, mice and all kinds of critters getting stuck in the curing epoxy. Not fun.
Can't wait to read up on this product. We have a really good polyurea, but always looking for something that could be better.
porschedude996TT
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Where I work, we use PSX700 on all of our Equipment. I never heard of using it on the floor.
JD in DFW
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So JD, you are just using this product as a top coat only? Question....how fast does it cure? Is it a quick turn around type? Meaning, can it handle heavy traffic the next day, lets say 10,000 people foot traffic or car dealership service center?
Thanks Scramblur, interesting study
Yes top coat only over a full broadcast chip system in most cases. When the temp in over 75 it will cure up to foot traffic in 8-10 hours. I have customers parking on it the next evening without any issue. Could probaly do it the next morning or later that night, as we usually top coat in the AM, but just to play it safe I have them wait a full 24 hours before they drive on it. Have never had an issue to date.
This stuff is a bit pricey so not sure if it would be the idea fit for a full service dept at a dealership. Most of the ones here buget to have there bays done once every 18-24 months or so and then do them a few bays at time, mainly with just an epoxy solid color no top coats. I don't play in that arena due to there really is not any money in ......and to be honest it's just plain boring to me. Theirs no creativity or design to just a plain solid color floor. Just my 2 cents. With all the design options out there I really only do the decorative projects and pass on any and all calls I get for solid color jobs to another guy that happens to like the straight cut jobs with zero corners or design. I have done a Porsche dealerships show room and Ferrari dealer show room here in the State, that was a fun one.
PPG does make some great industrial coatings, I have only used a few of them the PSX700 being one of them. They also make an Amersheild product, it has many of the same characteristics as the 700, but is a bit more friendly to the DIY section with pot life and workability and is probably priced alittle better as well. The 700 is really overkill for a residential garage.....but it would make it bullet proof that's for sure.
JD
You didnt have to copy and paste their whole product data sheet. I'm sure it's good stuff. I'm weary about no need to resand though. I called a rep, gonna get some samples and see what is all the hubub. Just know, what you are reading is a "sales sheet" from them. Not an independent scientific report.
Btw, The military, NASA, government in general uses all kinds of companies for many different products. Crossfield products (makers of Miracote) made their name by coating Naval ships years ago and still now.
Did you get any samples? What did you think?
rockyballbuster
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Great info, thanks guys. I am about to apply PPG's PSX700 to my garage floor in Washington State. The temps are about 95 during the day (40% rel hum), so I plan on using their recommended thinner, 1 pint to the gallon to increase the pot life and workability a bit.
I am wondering about the expansion joints. They are about 1/4 inch or less thick. Should I use some self-leveling caulk, or just leave the joints as they are and paint around them? Someone told me that if I caulk and cover it with epoxy, it'll eventually crack as they move. Any experience here guys?
I am wondering about the expansion joints. They are about 1/4 inch or less thick. Should I use some self-leveling caulk, or just leave the joints as they are and paint around them? Someone told me that if I caulk and cover it with epoxy, it'll eventually crack as they move. Any experience here guys?
GRivera
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Any update on this PPG 700 PSX. Based on description one would think it is very popular. Can one add pigment?
I'm a Independent Paint dealer and sell both Benjamin Moore and PPG products. I have a little experience with PSX700 and PSXOne. PSX700 is tinted with its own colorants and is more than likely going to be ordered in from whatever dealer you purchase it from. I've been through several of the the PPG Protective and marine coatings training's and have demoed the PSX700 as well. It is incredibly durable and easy to apply. Coast Guard specifies it on all of there ships topsides. Amazing gloss and color retention and easy to apply. Its available in several premixed colors. It is however extremely expensive as stated earlier but it is in fact a unique product. Interested in doing some reading? If you google PSX case studies you'll be directed to PPG's website and see a whole slew of studies to read up on. I've been a lurker for a while, but recently purchased a new to me home that has a 830 sqft attached garage that I'll be starting a thread on soon.