Premier Garage

[premierguy]

It certainly does include product issues: You can read it yourself here:

http://www.learnaboutlaw.com/documents/premier_suit.pdf

Premier Garage isn't stating that it is the best floor product on the market. The company is just saying it’s the # 1 garage enhancement company.

I’ve seen this product installed in my buddy’s garage, and this is all about appearances folks. There is enhancement that only the eye can see, but how well built is the actual product for the price? The truth in reality is in knowing how to make a product better by over-analyzing what your looking at by developing an eye for the unseen.

Notice how the installer didn’t seal the back surface of the counter top. This is a disaster waiting to happen... have you ever seen mid-grade unprotected industrial board expand with water invasion? Not a pretty site. Melamine is nice and bad at the same time.... The fake surface will show the real color of white melamine underneath if rubbed to hard.

These types of cabinets may cost around 175 to make and sell for 575 to 600 or more. The backboard seems to be a flexible piece of 1/8 " compressed board painted on one side only. The nailer boards need to be replaced with solid pieces and the wood dowels would be stronger in place if the edge was banded just like the front. The European hinges are a bonus on any cabinet and salice has nice ones.... The Drawer unit’s gliders are the cheapest on the market and should be changed out for more solid types.

Overall... the appearance is nice, but its not a Toyota your placing in your garage unless they get rid of the compressed non-melamine nail boards and replace the backing with a 1/4 inch solid backboard and thermally fuse melamine on every rear edge piece and every side edge of shelving that are openly susceptible to water damage. The shelving -at just under 4 ft wide- will eventually bow under the stress of 75 pounds…. not even close to recommended support strength of 100 pounds Per shelf.


An overall analysis about Hybrid Acrylics I've seen installed in a garage during summertime.

1) Too much heat in summer applications equals pinholes during the catalyzing process leaving thin unprotected craters underneath the floor where you can't see it... which is no good in areas that have high moisture transmissions.

2) Cold substrates will kill the curing time, not making it a true one-day application during winter months as advertised to be driven on the same or next day unless a heater is involved... But you get more much more product for your buck applying high bred acrylics during cold weather applications folks and it won’t bubble as much.

3) Adhesion is lost around metal drains and the product is known to absorb rust like a sponge in few years time, so make sure that metallic coating products are applied on metal drains first.


Flooring Pro's: It has a nice appearance to the eye allowing you to see the color of the base coat beneath and can save time during installations.

Flooring Con's: Product will not fill pinholes very well in high heat and will not achieve 100% chip coverage like Epoxy will. Quick catalyzing acrylics will chip easier than most applications in cold weather environments.



Question to Premier Garage... why are your cabinets so highly priced when it is a simple melamine product?

 

[shift2sixth]

Quote:

"Question to Premier Garage... why are your cabinets so highly priced when it is a simple melamine product? "



As a former installer for PG, I can tell you that the prices you are quoting includes the labor to install them. Huge difference!

I feel their cabinets are a good bang-for-the-buck. Do they compare to custom cabinets? No. But they are all the cabinet most homeowners need, and they are backed by a lifetime warranty.

Personally, I like the look of them far better than the tin cabinets at big box too. As far as the shelf sagging issue is concerned, the 100 lb load limit of the shelves is accurate when you use the optional aluminum shelf stiffeners. All shelves will sag some over a 4' span without some kind of brace or support in the middle....

 

[tdickman]

Question to Premier Garage... why are your cabinets so highly priced when it is a simple melamine product?

Pricing for cabinets depends on the franchise, we set our own pricing. When setting your price, you need to cover materials, labor, and your overhead before you realize a profit. I can tell you as a franchise owner we are not getting rich. Your guess on cost of a cabinet is way off, $175 would not even cover materials. In our area area we do have competition, but I can tell you our quality compared to any other local garage cabinet is equal or better and typically we are the same price or lower. The cabinet material is milled on CNC equipment, precision cut on beam saws etc. Like any manufacturing process you can have quality issues but Premier Corporate does a very good job of delivering consistent high quality material.

I have $40,000 cherry wood kitchen cabinets, made by a local cabinet shop in my kitchen, I didn't buy them... the previous home owner did. The quality of theses cabinets are less than what we do in garages. So in my opinion its all about value, if you want to spend less for lesser quality product, nothing wrong with that. I like to use the analogy of buying a BMW or Volkswagen, they both work well for there purpose, its all about the consumer and their choice.

dovetail drawers with roller bearing glides is our standard

 

[thegarageguy]

damn premier guy, I thought you where one of their dealers.

As for the cost of cabinets......this is a free society, as far as I'm concerned, a business can charge what they want. Any product is worth what someone is willing to pay. Long live capitolism!!!

 

[premierguy]

damn premier guy, I thought you where one of their dealers.

As for the cost of cabinets......this is a free society, as far as I'm concerned, a business can charge what they want. Any product is worth what someone is willing to pay. Long live capitolism!!!

You sound like a Christian who divides Heaven and Hell....

Capitalism on the hellish side only serves to divide the spirit of Humanity of the Country we live in.

Just think of me as a modern day Robin Hood that enjoys the meticulous ridicule to make a product better..."The Heaven within Hell"



I do a fairly good job estimating product cost and assessing estimates....

Mid-Grade 80” to 96” Tall Cabinets can be made for 160.00 to 180.00 on average in 3 hrs time frame using basic tools and understanding.

* 8 x 4 sheet Melamine (Formica) 96 x 48 inches @ ½ or ¾ thickness 35.00.

* 8 x 4 sheet 1” thick white Melamine 35.00
[Top Bottom and two shelves] place a ¾ “ for the top to save money.

*8 X 4 sheet 1/8 th backboard 18.00.
[Cut down to fit]

* Matching Formica to adhere strips to the edges 2.50 per strip.


This is about 90.00 in panels.
Wood screws, Specialty screws and European Hinges 50.00
Pay yourself minimal wage 8.00 and you have a 160.00 to 180.00 cabinet….. Not very far off from my original total, give or take.....



I'll start my own Thread to show people how to use their own hands.

 

[thegarageguy]

You sound like a Christian who divides Heaven and Hell....

You sound like a Marxist who needs to move to Cuba to really appreciate where you live.

Capitalism on the hellish side only serves to divide the spirit of Humanity of the Country we live in.

Making a profit on your product is now on the hellish side?? Maybe if there was a gun to someones head. I can't understand how making a profit, regardless of how much you think it is or isn't is considered a bad thing. Maybe PG should pay a wind fall profit tax.

This is about 90.00 in panels.
Wood screws, Specialty screws and European Hinges 50.00
Pay yourself minimal wage 8.00 and you have a 160.00 to 180.00 cabinet….. Not very far off from my original total, give or take.....

you forgot to add;
the cost of manufacturing (those cnc machines arent cheap and don't run on free air)
the cost of assembly
the cost of installation
the cost of the warranty
the cost of advertising
the cost of gas for delivery and the return
the cost of maintaining tools
the cost of maintaing vehicles
the cost associated with workers, ie; workmans comp and benifits etc. etc
lets not forget rent and utilities insurance etc, etc


Let me know if I forgot something

 

[tdickman]

I do a fairly good job estimating product cost and assessing estimates....

In all due respect you are still way off in your estimation. Looking at your analysis its obvious you most likely don't own a business with employees and are not comprehending operating costs. garage guy pointed out many of the costs that we use in calculating overhead. To sum it up... Every expense, including your salary and your office staff's salary, which can not be directly billed to a job expense, such as materials an install labor is OVERHEAD. Any business that does not calculate this (overhead) in to their selling price will soon go out of business.

Some major items you missed in your analysis.... to make doors and sides for a tall storage cabinet would require two 4 x 8 sheets, we use three 1" shelves, plus the 1" material for top and bottom, again, this requires two sheets. Thats 4 sheets plus the back and nailers.

You mentioned using thinner materials to save cost, not all material is equal.
Premier does not use inferior materials. You quoted a cost for a 4 x 8 sheet of melamine, you probably did not consider the grade. The grade Premier uses is not usually available at your local lumber store, its more dense and stronger than typical.

Min. wage for building and installing cabinets?? Avg. wage for my cabinet crew is $18 per hour, burden rate is about $25 per hour for one man. It costs us an average of $50 per hour to build and install cabinets. This is actually considered on the low end of the wage scale for this type of skilled worker in our market.

Our selling price for a tall 48x90x24 storage cabinet is $600. Just for grins, lets say material cost for a tall 2 door storage cabinet is $275, calculate building at .5 hours and installing at .5 hours. With this calculation time and materials is $375, now add your overhead lets say 20% or $120. That leaves you with a cost of $495, your profit on one cabinet would then be 17.5% or $105. You can do the math from here and figure the rest, with these calculations you would have to sell 500 cabinets or $300,000 in cabinets to make $50,000.

Check out this article http://www.cabinetmakeronline.com/ViewArticle.aspx?id=26028
This comment represents some of my motivation too..."The biggest segment, 31 percent, said that pride in making things of lasting value is what motivates them most in business. Following right behind that at 29 percent was a sense of accomplishment."

Just curious, why do use the name "premierguy"? Its seems a little misleading.

 

[premierguy]

You sound like a Marxist who needs to move to Cuba to really appreciate where you live.

Making a profit on your product is now on the hellish side?? Maybe if there was a gun to someones head. I can't understand how making a profit, regardless of how much you think it is or isn't is considered a bad thing.

:

Oh my, oh dear… A Capitalistic American living the American Dream whilst, denouncing the very humanity of the Cuban Race….

Well, you don’t have to love this “American Patriot”.


You’re missing the whole point.... “One side must contain another side”…. But then again, one may have to be a Marxist to enlighten oneself to that…ahem.


While it seems my “Consumerist Report” attitude to reveal weaknesses in Cabinet making is something people could care less about, perhaps those cabinet builders will be pleased knowing that simple fixes can only make a product line better…. And save you $$ in the long run from having to return to the job site.

You can take the advice or leave it.....

For those who feel they cannot make quality cabinets, affected, perhaps, by the Pseudo-Semantic statements of “Business Talkers” that you can’t achieve something on your own, I have news for you…. It can be done with ingenuity you may think you do not possess.

 

[car99r]

I would just love to here some pricing on the cabinet systems. Looking for bases and walls to go 20; on wall A then turn and go 6' on wall B.

 

[tdickman]

I would just love to here some pricing on the cabinet systems. Looking for bases and walls to go 20; on wall A then turn and go 6' on wall B.

call you closest PremierGarage, estimates are always free, they should give you price ranges over the phone.

http://www.premiergarage.com/locations.html

 

[car99r]

call you closest PremierGarage, estimates are always free, they should give you price ranges over the phone.

http://www.premiergarage.com/locations.html

It looks like the closest one is 4 hours away.... No online store anywhere?

 

[Mlynch]

Hey car99r give me a couple days i might have an inside track on some shelving for ya if you dont find anything in the meantime...

 

[car99r]

Hey car99r give me a couple days i might have an inside track on some shelving for ya if you dont find anything in the meantime...

Matt,
I actually have about 18' of 8' high metal shelving. It is the heavy duty wall shelving out of a local Walgreens that built a new store. I stood on one of the shelves(250 lbs) and it held up just fine. Going to need painted or something but will be great for bike parts. I am looking for a bunch of cabinets to go down the wall and turn the corner.

Let me know what you got coming in.

Thanks

 

[Mlynch]

Matt,
I actually have about 18' of 8' high metal shelving. It is the heavy duty wall shelving out of a local Walgreens that built a new store. I stood on one of the shelves(250 lbs) and it held up just fine. Going to need painted or something but will be great for bike parts. I am looking for a bunch of cabinets to go down the wall and turn the corner.

Let me know what you got coming in.

Thanks

My fault i meant cabinets... doh! I have a new supplier w/ some nice stuff and maybe i can set you up a deal for my first order. I should have some more solid info soon.

 

[car99r]

My fault i meant cabinets... doh! I have a new supplier w/ some nice stuff and maybe i can set you up a deal for my first order. I should have some more solid info soon.

Patiently awaiting my friend...

 

[tdickman]

It looks like the closest one is 4 hours away.... No online store anywhere?

Sorry, PG doesn't sell cabinets online. Sounds like your best bet is to fnd some one local. Good Luck.

 

[thegarageguy]

:

Oh my, oh dear… A Capitalistic American living the American Dream whilst, denouncing the very humanity of the Cuban Race….

Please quote where I denounced the Cuban race!

:

You’re missing the whole point.... “One side must contain another side”…. But then again, one may have to be a Marxist to enlighten oneself to that…ahem.

Pshyco babble.

:

For those who feel they cannot make quality cabinets, affected, perhaps, by the Pseudo-Semantic statements of “Business Talkers” that you can’t achieve something on your own, I have news for you…. It can be done with ingenuity you may think you do not possess.

Please quote any of us "business talkers" where we said quality cabinets cannot be made by anyone? By reading some of your posts, you are obviously a newbie flooring installer. Just by going on your statements, do you tell your prospective clients that a quality flooring system can be achieved by them on their own? That it can be done with ingenuity that they might not know they possess?

Also, please enlighten us on how to run a business with out making too much of a profit so as to, "divide the spirit of Humanity of the Country we live in." I'm sure this is how you run your business.

Please teach us how a marxist/socialist survives in this hellish capitalistic evil country.

 

[tdickman]

News article from Northern New Jersey
http://www.lxtv.com/openhousenyc/video/297

 

[Andy S]

PG must feel good about so much buzz about the company. Like other people have said, prep is 90% of the job. Bad prep = bad coating.

I use a polyaspartic for almost everything. Concrete sealing with clear, Chip floors, quartz floors, solids, high build for heavy traffic, 100% solids polyaspartic for aggregate broadcasts for non slip.

Another nice thing, screw epoxy cove with cove power, cavasil, all that garbage. I have a slow cure 100% solids 2:1 Polyspartic that i mix with silica sand, or quarts, use a cove strip and trowel the cove. 2 hours later i can coat over it.
The only reason i could see using a product that has up to 40% fillers (solvents) is to roll out easy. But than again, with poly's setting up in an hour thin mil, are all of those solvents going to evap from the material?

Polyaspartic is derived from Polyurea of course, why bastardize the product by cutting it back so far from its pure form? To make it easy to use, for people that dont have the expertise to apply product that is harder to use.
Flexmar is an easy product to use, and works good for garage floors. In 2007 i did 5-6 garage floors per week, for 8 months.

But like was stated before, there are differant products for differant applications.

Really take a look at the differance between polyaspartics. Just like epoxies, i can go get some garbage for 20$ a gallon, or i can pay 90$ a gallon.... get what you pay for.

"As for PG's Chemist, his name is Ronald Schorr. I'm assuming he once worked for the company that used to sell to PG but now works only for PG.

I have no beef with PG or any other company. I've been around long enough to know that a product is only as good as the one who installs it. What does incense me is when someone comes out and claims their product to be the messiah."


Well, that name rings a bad bell. Not sure what he is doing now, but Ron Schorr owned Schorr Technologies in Phoenix. I have used the epoxy that he personally formulated, and have never seen any epoxy yellow and chalk worse that that stuff, but that was years ago.


As far as prep goes, if you dont diamond grind to prep, you should start.
HTC grinders are by far some of the best out there. CDC Larue has very good Vac systems too.

 

[700jfm]

Thank you Andy S
And welcome to the Journal.

 

[Mlynch]

Hey Andy

I see a lot of experience in what you say and i agree with 99 percent of it... One thing i might disagree on (and i am a huge fan of 100 percent solids) Is that there isn't much use for the fillers other than ease of use... the wetting properties (penetration into concrete) of fast cure 100 percent solids are ussually sub par that is why a lot of companies use a 70 percent solids polyaspartic as their primer/broadcast coat.

My favorite system (for cost and ease of use) is an epoxy for broadcast and a polyaspartic as the topcoat for the wear layer.

When it comes to top coats 100 percent solids polyaspartic makes all the sense in the world... It is however a PITA in the hot humid weatehr here in fl.

 

[premierguy]

You sound like a Marxist who needs to move to Cuba to really appreciate where you live.

Making a profit on your product is now on the hellish side?? Maybe if there was a gun to someones head. I can't understand how making a profit, regardless of how much you think it is or isn't is considered a bad thing. Maybe PG should pay a wind fall profit tax.


you forgot to add;
the cost of manufacturing (those cnc machines arent cheap and don't run on free air)
the cost of assembly
the cost of installation
the cost of the warranty
the cost of advertising
the cost of gas for delivery and the return
the cost of maintaining tools
the cost of maintaing vehicles
the cost associated with workers, ie; workmans comp and benifits etc. etc
lets not forget rent and utilities insurance etc, etc


Let me know if I forgot something

Dude... the whole premise is for people who may not be able to afford cabinetry in their garage or other places within the household, or maybe even at the workplace. People will obviously buy a product if they like it or make it themselves.

But lets have fun with this anyway.....


Cost of manufacturing… (Cut the sheets on a table saw with the help of a buddy)
Cost of assembly… (Eat your Wheaties and a couple of eggs)
Cost of installation… (Double up on the Wheaties and eggs)
Cost of warranty… (What is a cost of Warranty anyways?)
Cost of advertising… (Who needs to advertise something that there making for themselves?)
Cost of gas for delivery and the return… (If you’re building cabinets yourself, you don’t need to move to Cuba to build them…. Your own workshop will work fine to avoid the traveling expense).
Cost of maintaining tools… (Always take care of your tools).
Cost of maintaining vehicles… (Never mind….)
Cost associated with workers, ie; workmans comp and benifits etc. etc
lets not forget rent and utilities insurance etc, etc…… (Exempt from DIY cases…)

thegarageguy…. Did I ever share with you that White fluorescents can help one concentrate better in their garage?


Heres to all the hard workers making the garage going strong

 

[Andy S]

Ya, using 70% poly to prime of course. 100% solids should never be used to prime ( polyaspartic ) , i cut my prime coat back with Acetone, i actually watch the product soak into the concrete.

The whole thing about putting differant products on top of each other, is the flexing capabilities. With a whole polyaspartic system, the flex capabilities are all the same, so the floor will move with the substrate without cracking or popping. Putting a 70% elongation product on top of an epoxy with 3-10% elongation is iffy. Nothing will probably happen, but if the concrete expands more than the coating can handle, then obviously bad things will happen. But anyone with any coating experience knows all this. Thats why some urethane topped epoxy systems dont work out in the long run.

 

[thegarageguy]

Dude... the whole premise is for people who may not be able to afford cabinetry in their garage or other places within the household, or maybe even at the workplace. People will obviously buy a product if they like it or make it themselves.

But lets have fun with this anyway.....


Cost of manufacturing… (Cut the sheets on a table saw with the help of a buddy)
Cost of assembly… (Eat your Wheaties and a couple of eggs)
Cost of installation… (Double up on the Wheaties and eggs)
Cost of warranty… (What is a cost of Warranty anyways?)
Cost of advertising… (Who needs to advertise something that there making for themselves?)
Cost of gas for delivery and the return… (If you’re building cabinets yourself, you don’t need to move to Cuba to build them…. Your own workshop will work fine to avoid the traveling expense).
Cost of maintaining tools… (Always take care of your tools).
Cost of maintaining vehicles… (Never mind….)
Cost associated with workers, ie; workmans comp and benifits etc. etc
lets not forget rent and utilities insurance etc, etc…… (Exempt from DIY cases…)

thegarageguy…. Did I ever share with you that White fluorescents can help one concentrate better in their garage?


Heres to all the hard workers making the garage going strong

A month later after my post...now you respond?? You are a complete horses ***. First off, that breakdown was done because you asked why PG's cabinets are so expensive. Your DIY anology came in after. Maybe you forgot, because after all, it was only about a month ago. But ofcourse you know that cause you are a genious. *****.

 

[premierguy]

Did I responded to you no sooner than you would have liked me to?

If it is so difficult to **** it in, just blow it out.

Nice try Mr. Brilliant

 

[Mlynch]

wow this thread is starting to resemble some of the other ones around here... But seriously, everyone is allowed to opinions garageguy so just chill out. That kind of talk doesnt get you too far and will just make this thread worthless...

Hey its the fourth... drink a beer watch some fireworks eat some bbq and have a good one.

 

[tdickman]

wow this thread is starting to resemble some of the other ones around here..

I was thinking the same thing

everyone is allowed opinions ..

yes and gargageguy too, sounds to me like he is just being honest and open, if your read most of premeirguy's posts, most of them don't' make a whole lot of sense, he did bring up the question "why are PremierGarage's cabinets expensive?" Same reason BMW's and Mercedes are expensive "quality"

Anyway, the posts lately are way off topic, the original question was about PremierGarage floors, hope I was able to answer anything.

check out our new redesigned website www.premiergarage.com
and our new sliding doors http://www.premiergarage.com/premieraccess.html

We have been offering VOC free, non flammable floor coatings for several years, something most of our competition is just now try to catch up with.
http://www.emediawire.com/releases/premiergarage/systems/emw1064404.htm

 

[Mlynch]

Tdickman... i have not even remotely followed this thread and just picked up the flames here at the end. The only reason i commented was because it ended up as nothing more than namecalling. Anywho tdickman are you involved with premier as a franchisee or the parent company?

 

[premierguy]

Premiergarage
20914 Bake Pkwy Ste 102
Lake Forest, CA 92630

What We Do:
The Premier Garage Commitment: ~ All installation teams are employees-we don't use subcontractors! ~ Friendly, reliable service and quality workmanship ~ Honest estimates, with no surprises ~ Same day installation available ~ Satisfaction Guaranteed PremierGarage is dedicated to maintaining national leadership in providing the highest quality product and installations utilizing state-of-the-art technologies and materials. Our peerless products set the industry benchmark for durability, quality and lasting beauty. No longer "Just a Garage", this typically overlooked and under-utilized space now reflects the same pride of ownership, unique styling, and attention to detail as the home itself - a truly PremierGarage. For most of us, the garage is the "front door" we use everyday. Whether you want to streamline storage, create a workshop, add home value - the answer is a single phone call away.


Specialties:
Garage, garage floor, garage floor coating, coatings, urethane, polyurethane, epoxy, floor, epoxy floor, epoxy floor coating, flooring, concrete, concrete coating, concrete repair, sealer, floor sealer, chemical resistant, epoxy poly, epoxy polyurethane, garage cabinetry, ca

Business Email:
[email protected]

Area(s) Served:
· Orange

 

[premierguy]

"Question to Premier Garage... why are your cabinets so highly priced when it is a simple melamine product? "

As a former installer for PG, I can tell you that the prices you are quoting includes the labor to install them. Huge difference!

I feel their cabinets are a good bang-for-the-buck. Do they compare to custom cabinets? No.

As far as the shelf sagging issue is concerned, the 100 lb load limit of the shelves is accurate when you use the optional aluminum shelf stiffeners. All shelves will sag some over a 4' span without some kind of brace or support in the middle....

I wonder if it is standard practice that all shelves receive the additional support mechanism?

 

[tdickman]

Tdickman... i have not even remotely followed this thread and just picked up the flames here at the end. The only reason i commented was because it ended up as nothing more than namecalling. Anywho tdickman are you involved with premier as a franchisee or the parent company?

franchisee.....PremierGarage Central Valley

 

[tdickman]

premierguy, not sure why you posted info about the Orange county franchise? I know the owner very well.

As far as our pricing. I think your question has already been answered. Each franchisee sets their own price. We use M3 grade particle board with thermally fused melamine. M1 is a low construction grade, MS and M2 are commercial grade and M3 is equal to the high density industrial grade that we use. I have never used shelf stiffeners and have never had any issues with bowing shelves, that's typically a problem in humid climates.

 

[Jaguar Fan]

premierguy, not sure why you posted info about the Orange county franchise? I know the owner very well.

As far as our pricing. I think your question has already been answered. Each franchisee sets their own price. We use M3 grade particle board with thermally fused melamine. M1 is a low construction grade, MS and M2 are commercial grade and M3 is equal to the high density industrial grade that we use. I have never used shelf stiffeners and have never had any issues with bowing shelves, that's typically a problem in humid climates.

Thanks for clarifying. Question: does each franchisee make the decision of what type of particle board they use? or is it Premier policy always to use M3?

Thanks!

 

[tdickman]

All material that PremierGarage uses is from the same source (suppliers). We have two manufacturing facilities where cabinet parts are manufactured on CNC equipment, beams saws, etc. Phoenix supplies parts for franchisees in the Western US and Canada, and Atlanta supplies the east.

 

[premierguy]

not sure why you posted info about the Orange county franchise? I know the owner very well.

Please share with the owner that there are both positives and negatives with Employee's and Contractors.

*Super Positive wold be a team that works well together regardless of "Employee vs. Contractors" status...

As far as our pricing. I think your question has already been answered. Each franchisee sets their own price. We use M3 grade particle board with thermally fused melamine. M1 is a low construction grade, MS and M2 are commercial grade and M3 is equal to the high density industrial grade that we use. I have never used shelf stiffeners and have never had any issues with bowing shelves, that's typically a problem in humid climates.

As you may already know… it is Human Nature to suggest what “Quality” is; just as natural as it is to refrain where “Quality” can exist…

*Melamine is basically a plastic that should stop the infiltration of humidity. If bowing shelves are a typical problem in humid climates… does it go to say that Melamine isn’t a barrier to humidity?

*Maybe the best cabinets are aluminum type


Quite honestly... I think you have been rather "Premierlike" and with a name like "premierguy" I also have a reputation to uphold...


I'm actually quite interested in the add-ons and wouldn’t mind knowing if you have tested various shelf supports yourself.

*Have you found one shelf support more premier than others?

*Could you predict the percentage of support gain with the design of stiffeners you have available?

 

[thegarageguy]

Hey Premierguy, are you a disgruntled, former PG installer or employee?

 

[tdickman]

Please share with the owner that there are both positives and negatives with Employee's and Contractors. ?

I never a met a customer who prefered to have job sub'd out to a contractor, this typically shows no commitment from the business owner. I do agree with the statement as to positives and negatives, the only positives I can think of would benefit the busines owner but not the customer like no workmen's comp, no personnel issues, etc.

Melamine is basically a plastic that should stop the infiltration of humidity. If bowing shelves are a typical problem in humid climates… does it go to say that Melamine isn’t a barrier to humidity? ?

shelves are not hermetically sealed and only the top, bottoms and front have melamine, by the way moisture can penetrate plastic.

I'm actually quite interested in the add-ons and wouldn’t mind knowing if you have tested various shelf supports yourself. ?

never had the need to

 

[premierguy]

Hey Premierguy, are you a disgruntled, former PG installer or employee?

Well, well, So your garage does have a first-aid kit!


Firstly, the nearest Walmart is 112 miles afar…
Secondly, My main business is painting…
Thirdly, take into consideration what is meant by “appearances".

Do tell me…. Have you a business to find others a threat? If so, please post an address to receive more bandages...

Personally, I gamely enjoy analytical debate with "worthy opponents" such as “tman”.... the very reason this message is now -snipped.

 

[thegarageguy]

Well, well, So your garage does have a first-aid kit!

???What???

Firstly, the nearest Walmart is 112 miles afar…

???HUH!!!???
Secondly, My main business is painting…

Thirdly, take into consideration what is meant by “appearances".

didn't say it appears...., just asked a question

Do tell me…. Have you a business to find others a threat? If so, please post an address to receive more bandages...

I never feel threatened by competition. I look forward to it.

Personally, I gamely enjoy analytical debate with "worthy opponents" such as “tman”.... the very reason this message is now -snipped.

All I asked is a simple question and you come with this over analitical, pompous ****. Get over yourself.

 

[premierguy]

Are you befuddled Mr. Duddle?

"I" at least bring up good consumerist points of view...