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I am about to rent a dual head Edco grinder to prep a 500 sq ft 4 month old slab for epoxy. The rental place does not have diamond bits, but they do have c10 or c80 stones. I was going to use the c10 stones. Does this sound correct?

The main reason I would like to grind vs' acid etch is to remove some light trowel marks at the same time.

After I grind, is cleaning up with a vacuum & leaf blower enough, or would I need to rinse or power wash as well?

I will be using 3 step Wolverine epoxy.
 
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I would check with the manufacturer (in this case Wolverine), but for mine, I was to sweep, vacuum, then mop. After mopping I was to wait 72 hours for the slab to dry before applying anything.
 

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Those grinding stones will not be aggresive enough. I myself have used that grinder mentioned and even with their diamond inserts, I will not recommend it. You might want to find a benjamin moore industrial supply, sometimes they rent a floor master, or relabeled "onfloor 16". I sometimes rent an extra one for larger jobs for $125 per day with the red diamonds. After you grind just vaccum it up. No need to acid etch it.
 
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That's not what I was hoping to hear. They also have scarifier assemblies for this unit. Here is what the manual says about the stones and scarifier assembly.

This is the unit I would be renting if the scaifiers will work.

http://www.edcoinc.com/index.html/s...r/session_id/40bf2b82a1e267884f622ffa3419db92

Scarifiers (used with “multi-discs”)
Scarifiers are used to grind slab surfaces. The action is
faster than with grinding stones leaving a “rough sandpaper
fi nish” that may be desirable for non-slip fl oors, ceramic tile
installation or epoxy mortars.
The action of the steel cutter wheels is to “pick” away
the concrete from around the aggregates. The cutter will
not grind the aggregate, consequently, the aggregate will
remain exposed and above the surface of the slab. In some
instances the aggregate will loosen or split and break away
from the concrete bond. This condition can be controlled
and is useful when an exposed aggregate surface is required.
If the desired end result is a smooth, fl at surface - use scarifi
ers fi rst for fast surface removal, then change to coarse
grit (C-10-S) grinding stones to bring the high aggregate to
the level of the slab.

Grinding Stones
Grinding Stones are generally used when there is a need
to remove trowel marks, rain spots, excess concrete, rough
fi nishes, or high spots less than 1/16” (2mm) in height. A
variety of grit sizes are available, beginning with a super
course C-10-S to very fi ne polishing types C-80 and C-120
used to grind terrazzo and marble. The EDCO grinder will
remove up to 1/16” (2mm) of concrete at the rate of approximately
500 sq. ft/hr. (46 sq. m/hr.) using grinding stones of
the C-10-S grit. Extra weight can be added to the grinder to
improve the grinding speed. The hardness of the surface,
size of aggregate, age of slab or additives and sealers required
to meet surface specifi cations will affect the grinding
speed and rate of removal.
Industrial Surfacer Discs
 
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The scarifier assemblies worked out well but it took almost 6 hours to do 500 sq ft. I had plans to rent the 11hp propane model, but that did not work out. I ended up with a similar version of the machine but it was 110v electric powered. I don't think it was more then 1.5-2hp. The machine was only able to prep within 2-3" of the edge so I have some work to do with a hand grinder I guess.
 
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Based on what I have seen done with the Wolverine products, once you grind, sweep it all up, vacuum it out, then wipe it down good with denatured alcohol. The alcohol will evaporate quickly and leave a clean dry surface.
 
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The floor is now very rough I am not sure what I could use to wipe it down that would not come apart after a few sq ft. The forcast is for rain on and off for the next 3-4 days so I cannot coat it this weekend anyway. I am going to hose it down real good and hope for good weather next week to dry it out. If things go well I will be coating it on the weekend of May 10th.
 

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you need to vacuum it up with a wand. The problem is that if you do not, the dust will settle back into the pores of the concrete and could cause a future failure. You'll now thats the reason because when it peels, it will have dust particles stuck to it.
 
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Thanks for all of the advice.

I used a shop vac, then a leaf blower, then hosed out. I feel pretty good about the way it came out.
 

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I watched the Premier guys do mine. After they ground it with diamond headed machine, they vacuumed and blew it out with leaf blower. Then they applied the coating. No other prep.
 
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