Prepping For 40x60 dream shop building..

[Bluegiller_killer]

Prepping For 40x80 dream shop building..

Hey guys,
I'm pretty new to the forum but the lastfew days I've been reading til my eyes hurt (not kidding).. Ill be building a 40x80 (minimum) building.. Looking for tips, advice, and shoulda woulda coulda's..

Also I'm in central il wondering if anyone knows a reputable builder that's priced good. So far I've been kinda thinking Menards but there's quite a few builders in the area..

This building will have a $30k budget most work except concrete will be done by me and I already have a great concrete guy..

So I hope to learn a lot in the next couple years of planning so please don't hold back your tips, gripes, love and hates..

Nick

 

[JC23]

Welcome from a few states over. You've picked a common size so check around here and see how others have done it.

Get all yer ducks in a row before you sign or start building and you'll do fine!

 

[Bluegiller_killer]

I'm flexible on the size but limited on the budget lol..

 

[Bluegiller_killer]

I just noticed I put this thread in the wrong sub forum, if a moderator wants to move this to general garage discussion I'd appreciate it andante get some more bites too.

 

[440-6 Shaker]

40 x 60 is a great size. You may want to look into the cost of adding a lean-to as well. Several friends of mine that build traditional pole buildings were able to add a ton of extra space for very little extra money with lean-to additions at the time of construction.

 

[chevy2]

I would plan to build it as big as you think you need it now & then acually double the size. I'm not joking either

 

[Bluegiller_killer]

Well I'd love an 80x160 but that just ain't gonna happen.. Thanks for the lean-to idea ill keep that in mind and put it in my notes..

 

[larry_g]

Please cut loose with a personal bio and what you intend to do in this building. Your skills, needs, desires will dictate what you want and need.

another thread on same subject; http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=179626

lg
no neat sig line

 

[prd2hnt]

I put up a 40x60 Menards building in '03. Love it. I have since built a 20x27 shop in one corner. Happy with that as well.

The initial build cost 20ish. The floor 8ish. The shop 3ish.

I am in eastern Nebraska. Give thought to your use and insulation needs.

Brian

 

[Bluegiller_killer]

Good idea Larry I updated the bio but can't get a pro pic too load ill have too look into it later headed to work now thanks for the info so far guys..

 

[Bluegiller_killer]

Good looking place prd did you do the construction yourself?

 

[prd2hnt]

BG, we did it ourselves over several weekends. A buddy frames houses. He acted as forman and provided the lift to set the trusses.

We waited a couple of years and then put in the floor. Built the house in between.

No problems with the Menards kit. Their computer design gave us the complete pick list. We ordered some extra 2 bys for braces. Still have screws left.

I'd do it again.

Brian

 

[Bluegiller_killer]

What kind of post is included in the Menards kit? So far from just some initial bids Menards pricing seems to be a little high I'm hoping its because of quality no a name thing.. Hell one company for 40x60x14, 3-12x12 OH doors a walkin door and a 2x4 window delivered and constructed $20,200..? I'm sure every corner is cut with that package I'm getting the details..

 

[Sureshot]

Unless you are set on 12' doors you may want to think 14'. For resale etc many campers and large trucks are over 12'. The 14' also gives you the option of a nice size loft over an office, bathroom, or inside shop.

My shop is 42x60x16 with an addition of 24x24x13. The addition was limited by the septic tank placement originally. I have thought of the lean as well but do not plan on more than a few years here so it is on the list for the next shop.

 

[greywolves2]

I put up a 40x60 Menards building in '03. Love it. I have since built a 20x27 shop in one corner. Happy with that as well.

The initial build cost 20ish. The floor 8ish. The shop 3ish.

I am in eastern Nebraska. Give thought to your use and insulation needs.

Brian

Bluegill hope you don't mind - if I ask a question here. Whats the height on this beauty?

I subscribed to this because I'm on the same hunt for the "PERFECT" building the FIRST time myself. So far the first bid I got was $26,500 installed, NO concrete, etc. I'm STILL in the sticker shock phase... Hopefully it won't last too long...

Thanks again for this thread. I'm still kind of shocked there is'nt some kind of HUGE "sticky(?) here for "Cherries" like you and I.

BTT

 

[prd2hnt]

The walls are 14ft. I wish I had gone taller so I could have had a taller door. As mentioned, the 12 footer limits our camper options.

The posts are laminated 2x6s.

Brian

 

[Bluegiller_killer]

Unless you are set on 12' doors you may want to think 14'. For resale etc many campers and large trucks are over 12'. The 14' also gives you the option of a nice size loft over an office, bathroom, or inside shop.

My shop is 42x60x16 with an addition of 24x24x13. The addition was limited by the septic tank placement originally. I have thought of the lean as well but do not plan on more than a few years here so it is on the list for the next shop.

I won't be selling this place so that's not a concern, I like the loft idea so 16' ceilings might be an option.. But the additional heating cost might ****.. Ill check out 14' doors but I doubt ill be getting a huge camper or semi anytime soon..

 

[Bluegiller_killer]

Bluegill hope you don't mind - if I ask a question here. Whats the height on this beauty?

I subscribed to this because I'm on the same hunt for the "PERFECT" building the FIRST time myself. So far the first bid I got was $26,500 installed, NO concrete, etc. I'm STILL in the sticker shock phase... Hopefully it won't last too long...

Thanks again for this thread. I'm still kind of shocked there is'nt some kind of HUGE "sticky(?) here for "Cherries" like you and I.

BTT

I've had 3 bids so far here's 2 via email should have a couple more in the next week ill post them as they come.. And additional details I've asked to get specified..

For a 40x60x14 with 3 12x12 garage doors 1 36 inch service door and 1 2x3 window delivered and constructed near St. Louis MO will be $20,200

40X60X15 WITH 3 12X12 DOORS 1 WALKDOOR AND 1 2X3 WINDOW $23500

Also a guy I work with has a 40x60x14 with 2 12x12 OH Doors and a 36" walkin door.. He built all the laminated post himself (which he says was a mistake) and only left a small overhang which he wasn't able to get cut buy the metal supplier and a couple other things he told me but I can't think of now, also he bought all the lumber over a few years when stuff was low and kept it all banded, he built his whole building and its very nice for $8000 no concrete in it yet..

 

[Bluegiller_killer]

And the guy who did all my house flat work charges $1.50sqft and does a killer job..


Also I've noticed some people building like a 14' building on a 2' footing to give them a 16' building can someone tell me the advantages too this setup?

 

[greywolves2]

I am looking at 16 ft. myself because I'm limited by county code to 2400 sq.ft. SO the option to go UP is the only way to have a "Larger" building.

I'm trying to think of all the OPTIONS I NEED now so not to limit myself in adding something in the future. And also to make it EASIER to add something like a Loft or just storage.

ANYBODY GOT SOME EXPERIENCE HERE - PLEASE - HELP A FEW BROTHERS OUT!!!! PLEASE!

The addition to 16' on the 40x60 is ONLY $3000 extra which really looks like a BARGAIN considering.

The fella that quoted me the price has built 3 buildings for guys I know and comes highly recommended for his QUALITY above all - and that's MY main concern. Yep, PRICE is a concern BUT I'm not going to save a few bucks and get a building I'm UNSATISFIED with for the rest of my life!

LIFE has taught Me yo do "GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR"!!!
I live 40 miles west of St. Louis myself. HE recommends a company named BBL for the building itself, says their quality is a "Cut Above". Web site is kind of lacking...

Don't know exactly how far you are from me BUT how far do you think your concrete guy would be willin to travel? I live in Foristell, Mo. Ah, Google earth says 98 mi.

Killer - THANKS again and I HOPE I'm NOT steppin on your toes here. Just let me know IF I am and I'll start another thread of my own...

 

[LennyTheLizard]

And the guy who did all my house flat work charges $1.50sqft and does a killer job..


Also I've noticed some people building like a 14' building on a 2' footing to give them a 16' building can someone tell me the advantages too this setup?

BG,

One nice thing about concrete footer or stem wall, is that if you want to get anything wet inside, you can avoid the wall. But my guess, it is much cheaper to build a taller wood wall than to pour the 2' concrete wall.

My concrete contractor said he could do a 40 x 60 monolithic pour for $7k, but your ground has to be within 6" from high point to low point.


For building materials, check with Building Supply Company. They seem to have the cheapest prices around here. Chester, IL might be too far away from you, but I think they have a location in Belleville, maybe more.

 

[Bluegiller_killer]

Your not stepping onto toes.. I'd hate too recommend someone and your project not turn out good.. My concrete guy is from Alton il.. PM I can give you more info on him and you can research him for yourself and decide if he's good enough for you.. He will travel to foristel I'd say its just as far as my house for him..

 

[Bluegiller_killer]

BG,

One nice thing about concrete footer or stem wall, is that if you want to get anything wet inside, you can avoid the wall. But my guess, it is much cheaper to build a taller wood wall than to pour the 2' concrete wall.

My concrete contractor said he could do a 40 x 60 monolithic pour for $7k, but your ground has to be within 6" from high point to low point.


For building materials, check with Building Supply Company. They seem to have the cheapest prices around here. Chester, IL might be too far away from you, but I think they have a location in Belleville, maybe more.

Yeah I kinda figured the same thing on the footer.. I'd like to put the building up on some kind of a small lip what are most of you guys doing,? Or are you putting the building on a flat slab?

 

[Bluegiller_killer]

Well I've been researching and I'm leaning towards a stick built 40x80x14.. 2x6 sidewalls 2' OC, 3.5-12 pitch on the roof rafters on 4' centers..

Also ill be building a footing with a 6" step wall so my walls will actually be 14'-6"..


Any suggestions on attaching the sidewalls to the step wall?

 

[Sureshot]

If you go a hair more on the footing you can get 14' doors. 13'6" is a "normal" max height so even if the header drops you under 14' you still have the headspace.

That grade beam may add to your price.

 

[Bluegiller_killer]

I don't know what you mean by grade beam?

 

[cyamaha2007]

If you want check out my build below in my sig. Also Look into diypolebarns.com. If you dont use them you can use their quote to negotiate a price. Will you be hiring everything out?

 

[CC1221]

If looking at pole buildings check out Blitz Builders. I have a "modified" version of their "special" 30x54x10. The modification is that I have a 12' lean to along one 54' side which required additional height - now 12'. The current "special" according to their website is $10,993. With my lean to, and roof insulation it brought mine to right at $16k. No complaints - a three man crew had it completed in two and a half days!! I only wish I would have found this site prior to building mine!! I seem to find something I would have done different almost every day.... I'd highly suggest getting a firm handle on insulation BEFORE you make a decision. I only insulated the roof and am now trying to figure out the best application for my building that won't cost as much as the building I'll post up some pics as soon as I can get them recovered from a dying/dead computer

 

[greywolves2]

Your not stepping onto toes.. I'd hate too recommend someone and your project not turn out good.. My concrete guy is from Alton il.. PM I can give you more info on him and you can research him for yourself and decide if he's good enough for you.. He will travel to foristel I'd say its just as far as my house for him..

Thanks for the concern my man!
I'm a Big Boy and it would be MY decision to use whomever for whatever. I DON'T blame anyone but myself IF I haven't done my due diligence...

I'd MUCH rather use someone that someone I know has recommended rather than just "Cold Callin" ...

IF you would be so kind, just pm me the info on him and I'll give him a shot - WHEN - the time comes, although I'm NOT quite ready yet.

You know the "Sticker Shock" I'm experiencing has NOT gone away just yet.

 

[greywolves2]

CC1221:

If looking at pole buildings check out Blitz Builders. I No complaints - a three man crew had it completed in two and a half days!!
I seem to find something I would have done different almost every day....

So you WOULD recommend Blitz? PLEASE SHARE these things you come up with everyday - I don't want to reinvent the wheel myself(and I KNOW I'll "F" it up if at all possible) when I KNOW there's a TON of GREAT EXPERIENCE and INFORMATION from guys like you on here!!!!

BTT BK, and THANKS

 

[Sureshot]

You can google grade beam but it is essentialy the foundation or pony wall. On second thought you could put block on the slab. Best to check with your concrete guy on the best plan for local conditions as I know just enough to be dangerous.
My current building is pole with a floating slab inside. My previous(26x26) had grade beam (to meet code) with a floating slab.

 

[Bluegiller_killer]

If you want check out my build below in my sig. Also Look into diypolebarns.com. If you dont use them you can use their quote to negotiate a price. Will you be hiring everything out?

I've read your thread a couple times.. Very nice ill check into that link you provided sounds helpful..

 

[Bluegiller_killer]

I like the stick building better since none of your post are in the ground, the price difference can't be much, you don't need treated, you have wall studs every 2' a lot more convenient..

Just adding up my material cost I'm at 13k not including doors, electric, insulation and that's with rounding high on each material.. We'll see how it plays out still got a year too plan and I might start buy materials over the next year so it won't be such a significant hit

 

[CC1221]

CC1221:

So you WOULD recommend Blitz?

I WOULD recommend Blitz among others - Morton comes to mind quickly!!

PLEASE SHARE these things you come up with everyday

Most of what I come up with everyday ties back to endless hours trolling around GJ looking at the builds that others have posted and taking something from almost every one. My current "obsessions" are insulation/climate control (mostly due to the current weather!) and concrete. I only wish I would have given them more attention prior to building, but I got all caught up in the fact that I was FINALLY getting MY shop!! Prior to that it was power and lighting - each taken care of now - 200 amp service and 6 (soon to be 12) 6 bulb T5HO fixtures --- I LIKE lumens!!!

I don't want to reinvent the wheel myself(and I KNOW I'll "F" it up if at all possible) when I KNOW there's a TON of GREAT EXPERIENCE and INFORMATION from guys like you on here!!!!

"Reinventing the wheel" is part of the fun!! My only advice (if you have the luxury of time) is to get several quotes and continue to troll the GJ builds and "steal" anything that looks like it makes sense or would be useful on not only your build but your plans for the space after the build.

 

[Bluegiller_killer]

Unfortunately a lot of my decisions will be made on budget not WANT. If the cash flow was endless I know a lot of what I'd do in a heartbeat..

 

[CC1221]

I feel your pain or as my old man would always say "want in one hand and s^it in the other and see which one fills up first"!! That's why I'm two years into mine and still have to deal with putting in a decent floor!!!

 

[Bluegiller_killer]

Found a couple more ideas I like.. Gonna run 3 12' trench floor drains right inside the OH doors and a couple regular floor drains in a couple key spots.. Also gonna go with rolled insulation and OSB for the walls, tin and sprayed in fiber for ceilings..

Also I'm thinking I might run all my electrical in conduit on the outside of the OSB easy access to add-on?? Anyone done this and got pics whats the pros-cons?

 

[Bluegiller_killer]

Anyone?? Bumped for some action!!