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I'm looking for a pressure washer for home use. Mostly for cleaning the concrete driveway, wood shadow fence, and the house before painting.

I've been looking at the 2500-3000psi range which are all gas units. Of course the prices are anywhere from $300-2000! Too many choices.

Any advice or recommendations?
 
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Buy one with a Honda engine. That is an absolute. You will have one less thing to worry about.

Second, don't lend it out and never run it without water pressure. The water is a lubricant and if it runs dry or low while the engine is running you will end up with the same thing as if you ran your car engine out of oil. The reason I say never lend it out is because of that reason. A novice user has a higher likelihood of accidentally running it with too low of water pressure or with the water turned off.
 

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I have a 3100 PSI Dewalt (gas) and love it though it is a tad overkill for basic home use. Looking at getting a smaller electric unit for dedicated car washing duty. If you're looking for a gas unit,pretty much anything around 2500 will do fine IMO. I hear CAT pumps are somehting to look for in a PW. Honda engines are some of the best as well.
 

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I have this one but about three years old now and slightly different the tray up top is all I think:

Craftsman 3000 PSI,2.7 GPM Briggs & Stratton Powered Pressure Washer

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_...21x00003a&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=07175258000P

The above statements about water PSI is spot on I loaned my previous one to a buddy with a well and low pressure and it quit working while he was using it. It was lower output I think 2100 I also had a 1600 PSI that was junky.This 3000 is about right I use it on all sorts of stuff mostly boats though. You have to be very careful with wood it will splinter the heck out of it. I just made sure I got a B&S power plant the Hondas were too expensive but would be my top choice. I'm very happy with this unit it starts on the first pull and it came with 5 nozzles so it can do most anything. Saves me a ton of $ by not going to the car wash
 

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I just assembled a nice Honda powered 5hp unit from Lowe's (about $399) for my father. Easy pull start, 3 tips with onboard storage, soap bin (probably won't ever be used). Very nice and quick easy setup. Incidentally this is a replacement for his giant 18hp Honda powered unit. It was way too big and heavy. Two guys could barely push pull the thing up a ramp into the truck. It was electric start and always had a dead battery. Small light and Honda would be my choice.
 

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Buy one with a Honda engine. That is an absolute. You will have one less thing to worry about.

Second, don't lend it out and never run it without water pressure. The water is a lubricant and if it runs dry or low while the engine is running you will end up with the same thing as if you ran your car engine out of oil. The reason I say never lend it out is because of that reason. A novice user has a higher likelihood of accidentally running it with too low of water pressure or with the water turned off.

Don't lend it out +1
I lent my 13hp 3500psi washer to a friend. Came back with the thermal valve leaking. Probably let it run awhile without unloading the pressure. I don't like to run the washer more than a minute with out unloading the pressure. Just too hard on the machine running wide open and no water coming out.
 

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Volume (GPH) is just as important as pressure !

Honda makes a good engine, but the B&S engines these days are good also !

I bought a used (less than 5 years old) Devilbiss (HD/Lowes) only to find out there are almost no parts available (something very strange about that !) and all of the vertical shaft pumps commonly available (eBay, etc) have a 7/8" hole and my engine had a 3/4" shaft.

Luckily I found a gasket and was able the helicoil the stripped threads.

So you want to buy a name that you can get parts for. How you do that, I don't know.
 

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What has Briggs done recently to change this? I have never in my life seen one that starts on the first pull after 5 years of service the way that a Honda does.

Volume (GPH) is just as important as pressure !

Honda makes a good engine, but the B&S engines these days are good also !

I bought a used (less than 5 years old) Devilbiss (HD/Lowes) only to find out there are almost no parts available (something very strange about that !) and all of the vertical shaft pumps commonly available (eBay, etc) have a 7/8" hole and my engine had a 3/4" shaft.

Luckily I found a gasket and was able the helicoil the stripped threads.

So you want to buy a name that you can get parts for. How you do that, I don't know.
 

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I have the 3k psi Rigid and I agree with not letting anyone borrow it..my neighbor used it and a plug came out of pump and he could not get it to stay in due to threads being almost gone so he replaced it with new one. That would be fine if he had gotten one with a recess in it instead of a flat one....wrecked the valves!
 

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What has Briggs done recently to change this? I have never in my life seen one that starts on the first pull after 5 years of service the way that a Honda does.

I can't say. But I have 5 pieces of outdoor power equipment and they all start on the first or second pull.

I have a 10hp B&S on a generator. First or second pull (no electric start) even after sitting for months and when the temp is well below freezing.

Even the 40+ year old tiller with an iconic 5hp B&S starts good after I changed it to electronic ignition (easy and only about $15) ! :D
 

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I am currently ordering a new pump for mine $149.99....I guess it beats buying a whole new machine.
 

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What has Briggs done recently to change this? I have never in my life seen one that starts on the first pull after 5 years of service the way that a Honda does.


No doubt that Honda is among the best, but I think B&S have a great reputation themselves. Toro (#1 brand IMO) lawnmowers use Briggs and all have a 3-year "Guaranteed-to-Start" warranty, where if it doesn't start in 1 or 2 pulls bring it in and Toro will fix it for free. That said, I have a 3-year old Craftsman with a Briggs and it always starts 1st pull. Anyway, I'd have no problem buying a Briggs.

Back to the rest of the pressure washer, I went for an electric Karcher over gas and am glad I did. No, it doesn't have as much squirting power as a gas model would, but it's still enough to damage the deck if you hold it too close. Reasons I love it is that it requires zero maintenance, never get bad gas or run out of it, lightweight, and best of all it instantly goes silent the second you let go of the trigger.



LC.
 

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I have a honda powered one and you just pull that cord a little and it starts right up, no problem
the old one I had was briggs powered, took several pulls

get the highest pressure one you can afford I went from a 2600 to a 3200 and boy does it make a difference

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I agree about highest pressure you can afford. It actually saves water because you spend far less time cleaning.
 

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I have more the alittle experience with pressure washers. It all depends on what you are going to use it for, how heavy of use you are going to have, and if you want gas or electric. A couple of things that you want to make sure of, first, you want a Piston or Plunger pump. (They are the same thing) The wobble plate pumps, and rotary pumps do not last. That is what all of the lower end machines are built with. You also want a Horizontal shaft machine over a vertical shaft. When you look at the hose, make sure it comes with 3/8" hydraulic hose, because it is easier to replace, and industry standard. Also, make sure the hose goes in at the base of the handle of the gun, not in front of your hand, between your hand and the wand.
Pumps to look for, and this is just my opinion, General or Interpump, Cat, Annovi Reverbi. There are not currently any pressure pumps manufactured in the United States.
 

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I agree about highest pressure you can afford. It actually saves water because you spend far less time cleaning.

I disagree ! A lot of electric models have high pressure, but lower volume. When I got my 6hp gas powered washer fence cleaning went much faster.
 

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...A couple of things that you want to make sure of, first, you want a Piston or Plunger pump. (They are the same thing) The wobble plate pumps, and rotary pumps do not last. That is what all of the lower end machines are built with.
I won't disagree with you, but what is wrong withe the wobble (swash) plate design ? It certainly requires a good quality lube, but I would think it should be okay for homeowner use ?

You also want a Horizontal shaft machine over a vertical shaft.
There certainly seems to be more replacement horizontal shaft pumps than vertical shaft pumps.

When you look at the hose, make sure it comes with 3/8" hydraulic hose, ...
Probably true for commercial, but 1/4" hose with M22 fittings is "standard" for homeowner models and available cheap on eBay.
 

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I also have been in the market for a pressure washer and found that the Ridgid models with the Cat pump get rated very high overall. I ended up bidding on one on Ebay and it is being delivered Fed-ex today. There have been a few other Ridgid new in the box on Ebay this past week that seem like a decent deal even with shipping. From what I have read most of the lower end models have cheaper pumps and are non servicable. It might be worth spending a couple hundred $ more and it should last a long time if used properly and probably do a better job of cleaning. Home Depot sells the Ridgid models for $600-$800 if you want to see them. Some of the Ebay sales have been a good deal, check it out.
 

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Gas engined pressure washers are fine, especially outdoors and for those that don't even like to think about mixing water and electricity. However, real electric pressure washers are the thing for occasional and indoor use. I have both a gas and an electric and I use the electric 7 out of ten times because it doesn't weigh as much and I can use it indoors.

However, forget the cheap crappy Husky, Karcher and various chinese made cheap electric pressure washers. I have and recommend the Annovi Reverbi AR630, it's about $700 new and worth every penny. It has a plunger style pump, brass pump body and will work on any 20 amp 110 outlet. Here's a link to a place that sells them. It's made in Italy and it works!

http://www.pressurewashersdirect.com/AR-AR630-Pressure-Washer/p2746.html
 
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I won't disagree with you, but what is wrong withe the wobble (swash) plate design ? It certainly requires a good quality lube, but I would think it should be okay for homeowner use ?


There certainly seems to be more replacement horizontal shaft pumps than vertical shaft pumps.


Probably true for commercial, but 1/4" hose with M22 fittings is "standard" for homeowner models and available cheap on eBay.

The wobble plates just don't last. I have not seen a wobble plate pump last for more then a season, under any type of use, even for a home owner.
The Horizontal shaft pumps are more likely to be plunger pumps, and are easier, and cheaper to replace, or repair. Additionally, the Horizontal engines usually have a life expectancy that far exceeds a vertical shaft engine. There might be exceptions, but that is the general rule. Why pay $200 for a vertical shaft that has a design life of 100 hours, when you can get a horizontal with a design life of 2000 hours for $100 more?
The larger hose reduces parasitic pressure loss, and is MUCH more durable. I doubt someone, with homeowner use would ever have to replace a commercial 3/8" hose, because of the design.
My thought is a homeowner only wants to buy something once, not keep replacing it.
 

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Gas engined pressure washers are fine, especially outdoors and for those that don't even like to think about mixing water and electricity. However, real electric pressure washers are the thing for occasional and indoor use. I have both a gas and an electric and I use the electric 7 out of ten times because it doesn't weigh as much and I can use it indoors.

However, forget the cheap crappy Husky, Karcher and various chinese made cheap electric pressure washers. I have and recommend the Annovi Reverbi AR630, it's about $700 new and worth every penny. It has a plunger style pump, brass pump body and will work on any 20 amp 110 outlet. Here's a link to a place that sells them. It's made in Italy and it works!

http://www.pressurewashersdirect.com/AR-AR630-Pressure-Washer/p2746.html

This pressure washer is used commercially, and is definitely a winner. They are usually set up to run hot water through them, so you can turn up your water heater, and hook it up to the drain with a hose, and have a hot water pressure washer, when needed, for small jobs.
 

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Gas engined pressure washers are fine, especially outdoors and for those that don't even like to think about mixing water and electricity. However, real electric pressure washers are the thing for occasional and indoor use. I have both a gas and an electric and I use the electric 7 out of ten times because it doesn't weigh as much and I can use it indoors.

However, forget the cheap crappy Husky, Karcher and various chinese made cheap electric pressure washers. I have and recommend the Annovi Reverbi AR630, it's about $700 new and worth every penny. It has a plunger style pump, brass pump body and will work on any 20 amp 110 outlet. Here's a link to a place that sells them. It's made in Italy and it works!

http://www.pressurewashersdirect.com/AR-AR630-Pressure-Washer/p2746.html


I have sold and service industrial pressure washers for 28 years as my sole source of income, so I believe I know a lot about them.

1. Honcho is correct, this is an industrial duty unit. Have sold and repaired many over the years and wouldn't hesitate to sell them again. All have been in high use applications and hold up well, and parts are available.

2. Az Scooter also knows what he is talking about. The wobble plate pumps on the whole are homeowner junk that are unrepairable.

3. Vertical shaft washers are a waste of money.

4. There are 2 grades of Honda motors. The GX series which have been around for decades cannot be beat. The GC series are not heavy duty and are not worth having if you plan on using your machine often or keeping it for years.

5. Always test your water supply before you buy a machine. Take the garden hose you will be using and a 5 gallon bucket and a watch with a second hand. See how much water you can put in the bucket through the hose in 1 min. Then buy a pressure washer that only uses 80% of that volume of water.

6. I'll take higher volume over higher pressure everytime. Once you get over 1500 psi, you are over the threshold pressure it takes to remove most soils. With higher volume, you can move your wand quicker and get your job done faster, provided you have the water volume needed. Higher pressure just wears out the hose, unloader, pump packings faster. I know its much easier to sell higher pressure cause it seems to make sense, but I proven it too many times to be false. Oh, higher pressure also beats whatever you are cleaning to death.

7. Avoid machines that have the unloader built into the head of the pump. The unloader valve is a wear item, so you want a screw on or bolt on unloader.

8. Some folks said don't let the machine run for long with out letting off the pressure. This is correct except the reasoning is wrong. When the trigger is shut off and the machine goes into bypass, pressure is relieved. What happens if left too long in bypass is the water heats up due to friction and starts to deteriorate the packings prematurely. Home owner models, less then a minute in bypass. Commercial grade, 3 to 5 minutes is ok. If you are running hot water through the pump, 15 seconds. Pumps don't like hot water.

9. Don't run over the hose, kills it quickly

10. Don't let the machine be exposed to freezing weather with water in it. It will break!!!

11. As others have said, DON'T LOAN IT OUT!!! You would not believe how many folks come into my shop to get loaned out machines repaired. On the cheaper models, I can't help them.

None of the big box stores sell a decent repairable pressure washer anymore. Its all about price and they have been cheapening the machines every year. If you buy one with a Honda GX motor, at least you will have a motor that will outlast 4 or 5 pumps.
 

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I have and recommend the Annovi Reverbi AR630, it's about $700 new and worth every penny. It has a plunger style pump, brass pump body and will work on any 20 amp 110 outlet.
Looks like a nice unit. I can't figure the difference between a AR630 and a AR620 which is $100 less.

Also, if that thing really pulls more than 15 amps, it would be a job stopper for most homeowners.
 

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OK, bringing this back up...
What would be the best option in the sub-$800 range for heavy home use, with a gas cold water unit?
It needs to be locally available and have some longevity, be locally servicable, and I need to be able to find one this weekend.
So far the stand out I'm seeing seems to be the Home-Depot Rigid brand model 80701 here:

http://www.homedepot.com/Outdoors-O...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

What else should I be considering?
 
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I have sold and service industrial pressure washers for 28 years as my sole source of income, so I believe I know a lot about them.

1. Honcho is correct, this is an industrial duty unit. Have sold and repaired many over the years and wouldn't hesitate to sell them again. All have been in high use applications and hold up well, and parts are available.

2. Az Scooter also knows what he is talking about. The wobble plate pumps on the whole are homeowner junk that are unrepairable.

3. Vertical shaft washers are a waste of money.

4. There are 2 grades of Honda motors. The GX series which have been around for decades cannot be beat. The GC series are not heavy duty and are not worth having if you plan on using your machine often or keeping it for years.

5. Always test your water supply before you buy a machine. Take the garden hose you will be using and a 5 gallon bucket and a watch with a second hand. See how much water you can put in the bucket through the hose in 1 min. Then buy a pressure washer that only uses 80% of that volume of water.

6. I'll take higher volume over higher pressure everytime. Once you get over 1500 psi, you are over the threshold pressure it takes to remove most soils. With higher volume, you can move your wand quicker and get your job done faster, provided you have the water volume needed. Higher pressure just wears out the hose, unloader, pump packings faster. I know its much easier to sell higher pressure cause it seems to make sense, but I proven it too many times to be false. Oh, higher pressure also beats whatever you are cleaning to death.

7. Avoid machines that have the unloader built into the head of the pump. The unloader valve is a wear item, so you want a screw on or bolt on unloader.

8. Some folks said don't let the machine run for long with out letting off the pressure. This is correct except the reasoning is wrong. When the trigger is shut off and the machine goes into bypass, pressure is relieved. What happens if left too long in bypass is the water heats up due to friction and starts to deteriorate the packings prematurely. Home owner models, less then a minute in bypass. Commercial grade, 3 to 5 minutes is ok. If you are running hot water through the pump, 15 seconds. Pumps don't like hot water.

9. Don't run over the hose, kills it quickly

10. Don't let the machine be exposed to freezing weather with water in it. It will break!!!

11. As others have said, DON'T LOAN IT OUT!!! You would not believe how many folks come into my shop to get loaned out machines repaired. On the cheaper models, I can't help them.

None of the big box stores sell a decent repairable pressure washer anymore. Its all about price and they have been cheapening the machines every year. If you buy one with a Honda GX motor, at least you will have a motor that will outlast 4 or 5 pumps.

FF -- any opinion on the easy-kleen magnum hot water washers made in canada ??
pete
 

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FF -- any opinion on the easy-kleen magnum hot water washers made in canada ??
pete

I've seen some easy kleens that were ok and some were not. Saw one with a Chinese copy of a Honda motor, run away from that one,,,,,,,,,,fast.

They tend to be on the lower end of the price scale and probably use cheaper components. For light use, probably ok, but if you are going to depend on it, I would pass on Easy Kleen unless you are in Canada, and have a local dealer.

My best advice on hot water machines is to buy from a local pressure washer dealer who services and has parts. It will need work from time to time and I have met very few non dealer mechanics who can trouble shoot problems correctly. Most of the parts are easy to change, its just knowing which one is bad and it isn't always obvious. Heck, I've met a few dealer mechanics who couldn't trouble shoot.

If you are in the US, buy a us made machine and skip over Northern, built strictly for price. Alkota, Aaladin, Landa, Mi-T-M all make good hot water units, but not every unit they make is high quailty. They get caught in the price game too.
 

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OK, bringing this back up...
What would be the best option in the sub-$800 range for heavy home use, with a gas cold water unit?
It needs to be locally available and have some longevity, be locally servicable, and I need to be able to find one this weekend.
So far the stand out I'm seeing seems to be the Home-Depot Rigid brand model 80701 here:

http://www.homedepot.com/Outdoors-O...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

What else should I be considering?

That is about as good as you will get in that price range. Follow the do's and don'ts I post before and you will be fine.
 

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Bring this thread back to life. I am currently shopping for a pressure washer. It's first task will be to try and remove a burn mark from concrete, then it will be general use, will be used for cars mostly, but I foresee many more uses. Here are units I am currently looking at and I'm curious of opinions. (I've rented twice in the last 6 months so I'm done renting)

Simpson MSV3024 currently at my local Costco for $299
http://simpsoncleaning.com/store/residential/msv3024.html

Simpson PS3228-S available from Sam's Club for $499
http://www.samsclub.com/sams/shop/product.jsp?productId=prod6290201#desc

Now I noticed that most places sell a Simpson PS3228 (no "-S") for $799, is the Sam's club one that different? I e-mailed Simpson but haven't heard back.

I understand that these 2 models are pretty difference, but I was wondering if the $200 difference was worth it? I'm guessing the cheaper one is a vertical and the more expensive one looks like a horizontal. I don't want to end up with a lemon. I'm open to other suggestions, but I'd like to keep it under $600. The less expensive the better, but I don't want to sacrifice quality and end up with broken unit or worse, one that I can't find parts for.
 

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Just re-read fatfillup's posts again, I guess the the $299 Simpson Costco is not gonna cut it. Curious of fatfillup's opinion of the Sam's Club $499 Simpson.
 

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I am looking for my Dad too! (found him, lol)

At Menards they have 2 we like, one has the Honda engine, 4 tips and silly little soap bottle.

The other is a Onan with 5 tips and 2 - one gallon soap tanks and 3kpsi.
 

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Fatfillup, thanks for the post. much knowledge! This is a good read.

I'm in the market for a PW and can't justify spending a lot of money on something I may only use 2-3 times a year. Craigslist, here I come
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Thanks to this thread I bought the PS3228 from sam's club. Best price I could find one one with the GX engine. I'm pleased with it so far. I'm guessing the pump would be the weak link in the whole thing, or at least the unknown because it's not a big name brand. We'll see how well it holds up.
 

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The wobble plates just don't last. I have not seen a wobble plate pump last for more then a season, under any type of use, even for a home owner.
The Horizontal shaft pumps are more likely to be plunger pumps, and are easier, and cheaper to replace, or repair. Additionally, the Horizontal engines usually have a life expectancy that far exceeds a vertical shaft engine. There might be exceptions, but that is the general rule. Why pay $200 for a vertical shaft that has a design life of 100 hours, when you can get a horizontal with a design life of 2000 hours for $100 more?
The larger hose reduces parasitic pressure loss, and is MUCH more durable. I doubt someone, with homeowner use would ever have to replace a commercial 3/8" hose, because of the design.
My thought is a homeowner only wants to buy something once, not keep replacing it.

I'm calling B.S. on this as it really depends on the build quality/components used. I've been using a PW with an Annovi Reverberi SJV horizontal axial cam/wobble plate pump for 5 years now, up to 4-5 hrs daily/multiple days weekly. NO issues... This particular pump is rated for 800 hours of service life and is 100% rebuildable if needed. Before I bought this unit I used a Karcher PW with a vertically mounted axial cam/wobble plate pump. Used it often for about 8 years and it's still going... 13 years old.

No doubt the triplex/plunger type pumps are more efficient and typically last longer than other designs, but I've seen some of the cheaper ones **** out fairly quickly under normal use. Stick with A-R, Cat, General, Comet, etc. and you probably won't have any issues regardless of pump type.
 

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Northern Tool has the North Stars with the Honda GX motors and Cat triplex pumps. Comes with a 4 year homeowner or 3 year commercial warranty. I bought one on the Memorial day sale with a coupon stacked on top. Used it several times so far am very happy with it.

Edit:

This is actually the 3rd one I bought in 3 weeks. The first 2 were Dewalt from Home Depot. I bought the medium size first and the unloader valve would not work at all right out of the box. I could physically make it work and pressurize but not on its own. After multiple adjustments and disassemblies I returned that one for the smaller model.

The small one worked great for about 20 min but then it decided to dump the pump oil from the input shaft seal. Returned that one too and brought my money to Northern Tool where they let me play around with it outside before I bought it.

Something to note at Home Depot: All the Dewalt display models had Cat pumps mounted to a Honda GX motor. Both units I purchased had generic pumps mounted to Honda GX motors. I thought that was a little shady since a good pump will be about 2/3 of the price of the whole unit.
 
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