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Probably get a "You ****" but Acetylene torch advice needed

vrinner

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So my neighbor gave me this Acetylene torch setup that he got for free and never used it. So hopefully it will not just sit in my garage for the next 5 years without getting used like it did in his. :)

I like to do occasional art work projects and was wondering if this type of setup is good for cutting thinner sheet metal or are they mainly used for big stuff?

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the cuts with a torch arent very nice, it can be used to burn through thinner metal for sure though

thicker stuff = plasma cutter
 

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Good catch. It’ll cut about anything. About all you’ll need is an 00 or 000 tip for thinner stuff like tin. These days I use mine mostly for heating frozen rusty bolts but it’s still handy as hell.
FYI those small tanks are $$$$$$ to fill these days. Your neighbor doesn’t have the receipt for them still does he, if so keep it to show ownership.


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You can cut thin stuff with the right tip. Having an oxy/acetylene setup is great for really heating bolts up and brazing. Brazing is great for materials you can't really normally weld together.
 

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My first concern would be whether you can fill those tanks or not. Around here you cannot "own" all sizes of tanks, as a consumer. Check the date on that oxy. tank too, they usually need to be certified (pressure tested) every ten years.

A receipt is sometimes needed to prove ownership as they could be stolen.

You can cut sheet metal with a regular smaller tip, just run it hotter and it will easily burn right through. Get a "000" also for small brazing and welding tasks.

Have had my set for forty years and still use it regularly. It is my first choice for smaller work.
 

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If your experience with that setup then maybe,if not the thin metal will just melt. For the most part something from say maybe 18ga and thinner tin snips will work. If you are using good set of snips that is.
 

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Nice score! I have same size O/A setup and I have been using it for 40+ years.

If you want to cut sheet metal, get a plasma cutter or something else other than that O/A torch. However, when it comes to applying heat to loosen rusted/frozen parts, that O/A torch cannot be beat! I also use mine a lot for brazing. JMHO.... good luck with it
 

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Probably get a "You ****" but Acetylene torch advice needed

Congrats! I use my set up all the time for frozen/rusty automotive work. Anyway, the concern about getting your tanks refilled is real, so if you don’t have anything showing proof of purchase, make sure to go to a small mom and pop gas shop - not to Amerigas or any other BIG company (they might try to confiscate your tanks). Small shops will work with you and help you get your tanks re-certified and re-filled. I’d even call ahead and just tell them what you have. Certain sized tanks (smaller ones typically) are okay to own, but most companies will only want to sell/lease the bigger tanks.


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I didn't know that you could actually weld with them. I have a small MIG welder that pretty much does what I need it to do, I also have one of those small Bernzomatic MAP gas hand held units. From a shear size and coolness factor this O/A system would be preferred but not sure how much I will use it and if the cost of filling the tanks is a lot then maybe not.

If a plasma cutter is better for sheet metal then it may be better to just go that route. Or maybe a plasma CNC! LOL.
 

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Yes you can weld with them. Think BA in the A Team.
The three nozzles to the right in that photo look like welding nozzles. The one on the left is the burner.
You can weld sheet metal really nicely with a bit of practice but need to careful with distortion because it's a slower process than MIG and the heat spreads more from the weld. I learnt to weld and braze Oxy-acetylene years ago.
People tell me I would find TIG fairly easy because of this, but I've not tried it yet.
 

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The ability to refill/swap the tanks will come down to how the gas suppliers in your area handle the practice. Around here, they look first for the neck of the bottle to have a gas vendor's name on it. Either stamped into the neck ring or *forged* into it. *Stickers* do not count. Paint markers do not count. If it has a name such as AirGas stamped or forged there, then you will be forced to deal with that company. Then that vendor MAY treat it as THEIR property, unless it's of some off-size that they reserve for (and sell for) personal ownership. Only the branded company can tell you what you are looking at.

However, there are also bottles that do not have a stamped neck, that are smooth and unmarked. These are called "slick necked" bottles and are treated as personally owned, not rental bottles. You will prefer that your bottles are slick necks. MOST gas vendors (again, speaking to my own area, you'll need to research yours) will simply swap you a full slick neck for yours and charge you only for the product, not the bottle, and it will not be a rental.
IF (it's a big *if* because they often don't) they check the date on your slick neck and say its too old to swap, just say thanks and take your bottle. Then take it to another gas vendor see if they'll swap. They probably will. Their bottle plant will re-certify the traded in bottle and re-date it before they fill it. No reason for that to be your problem, IMHO.
Because the slick neck is used as an indicator of private ownership, it has real value. Do NOT--- I repeat DO NOT--- let them swap you a branded bottle for your slick neck!

Edit: If it is stamped with the name of a now-defunct gas vendor, you should call around to see if any current vendor is now servicing that company's contracts. If no one is, they *might* treat them as slick necks or they may not take them at all(?) If stamped like this, THEN paint markers and stickers will provide a link to who services them.
 
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Folks who only use a torch to cut steel will see little value in them these days as plasma cutters are so much better at that chore... until they need to cut out in the field without a genset. Cutting steel/brazing soft metals/annealing aluminum for shaping/ heating steel for bending... the O-A rig still has plenty of duties and to an artist, I'm certain that there are effects and finishes that only an O-A can do.
 
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Nice torch.

No self suckage.

Corrct!

If the user who started this thread hadn't mentioned "you ****" in the title, he MIGHT have received a "you ****" from me..... but not now! Nope!

It's worth repeating again.... NO SELF SUCKAGE.

LOL.
 

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Append your note to suggest that he has a plasma cutter, so discounts that use....and lacking imagination, can envision no others.
Ok, take your plasma reference to the RR track anvil forum. Good luck.
 

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Tanks are probably out of test. My supplier will exchange and charge $25.00 Recertification fee.
Call suppliers first and ask what their exchange polices are. Mine doesn't care what name is on the bottle neck.
My Air Gas is not customer friendly. Their prices are crazy high since they continue to buy out competition.
Some suppliers will only exchange their cylinders. Good luck.


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hoses need to be visually inspected. they do dry rot.
you will need a pair of flash back arrestors on the handle.
check your regulators, make sure they don't drift.
get a set of tip cleaners.
a set of tanks that size for a novice will last a lifetime
do invest in a pair of quality googles. pair of good heavy leather gloves.
be sure to make your shop 'fire safe', and get an extinguisher.
lite her up and have some fun!
 

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FYI: although they are expensive (natch) you can buy new empty bottles from Amazon!


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Thanks for all the advice everyone. FYI...I don't have a plasma cutter.

I think as advised calling around about tank policies from local suppliers is a good first start. There was a lot of stamped into on the top of the bottles but nothing super recognizable as a company name.

The acetylene tank appears to still have gas in it although not sure the regulators are working correctly. I turn the tank valve up 1/2 turn (I read that somewhere) and I get about 5-7 psi on the left gauge but the right gauge doesn't move. Then if I turn the dial on the regulator I can get the left to drop to zero and the right will shoot up to 150 psi. Fiddling with different combinations the left size will start to go up to 10 -12 and I reverse direction as I've seen videos where they say don't let the acetylene go above 15 psi. Not sure of the ramification of that but didn't want to find out.

The Oxygen side is empty...no pressure or gas coming out.
 

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I've never had any problem exchanging tanks, dealt with several different sources. I just haul them in and they give me a new one. My grandfather left me his torch/tanks when he passed. The acetylene tank had a test date from the early 80's and the bottom had some flaky rust from sitting in the dirt floor garage for near 30 years that I'm sure of. It even looked old, the cap was different from the other tanks and the physical size of the tank was different. I've had it for several years, cleaned it up a bit and exchanged it last fall. Was a simple swap, they never even looked twice at it.

Used to be I'd have to deal with whoever the tank was stamped with or make a more formal exchange to get a tank from my preferred supplier, but haven't seen that issue in probably 20+ years. I own 3 oxy, 3 acetylene plus 2 tanks for the welder. Never been asked to prove ownership of any of them.
 

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Oh I almost forgot my mantra. [emoji82]”Friends dont let friends buy at AIRGAS”[emoji372][emoji372][emoji372]. In my experience they are about as [emoji90]as it gets. If you can find a remaining local family owned welding shop try to use them if at all possible.


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Kudos for the torch score, I want one of those.... had a chance at one when they decommisioned a work site, but I was on vacation when it went to auction for all of $32...

However...

2 thumbs down for the self suckage... Self suckage is a miserable affliction, one when puctured gives one nightmares... and not acceptable in public... Do not do it again.
 

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Make sure you study up on the safety protocols for using a torch. Acetylene is highly volatile and there's something about releasing it out of the tank too fast that can cause bad things to happen (hence the 15 psi limit you mentioned). I don't remember the details...

If your hoses are questionable, I'd replace them - hoses are cheap.

A torch is a very useful thing to have. I should get mine working lol...need to refill an oxygen bottle and buy an acetylene bottle.
 

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I got my dad's torch setup years ago. I cleaned up the regulators and got new hoses. Works great. It costs a bit to fill up my tanks (big ones), but it's worth it. I don't use it much for cutting/welding, but for brazing/heating, it can't be beat.
 

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Acetylene is dissolved in acetone to stabilize it. Drawing it out too fast will pull acetone out of they cylinder and damage your regulator.

Outside of that acetone, acetylene is highly explosive and unstable above 15psi. It is very shock sensitive and an explosion can be triggered just by the torch popping. This is why your acetylene regulator has big red marks and warnings above 15psi.

I highly recommend you do some reading and educate yourself on safe use of oxy-acetylene rigs.

I use the heck out of mine, and consider them essential to a proper shop. But they need to be used properly or they can be very dangerous.
 

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Probably get a "You ****" but Acetylene torch advice needed

You need to first get rid of the hoses. They may not leak but they are stupid-STIFF and they will make your work with them very difficult.


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Not much in the shop scares me, but old, poorly taken care of flammable gas equipment.

At the very minimum new hoses and then leak check EVERYTHING. If you don't understand those last 3 words, google until you do.
 
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