Problem with cats outside...

[PassnThru]

"Researchers, as well as the FBI and other law enforcement agencies nationwide, have linked animal cruelty to domestic violence, child abuse, serial killings, and to the recent rash of killings by school-age children, according to Dr. Randall Lockwood, vice president of Training Initiatives for The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS)."

"While there are many factors that contribute to someone becoming a serial killer, the one constant they share is animal abuse."

Oh - he's not biased is he.
I love how they imply causation with this. They all but come out and say that animal cruelty causes a person to later commit heinous crimes against people. Maybe, just maybe, a person that would practice cruelty towards animals was just a screwed up individual to begin with.
And I think people here need to examine their definition of cruelty. I think there is a big difference between popping a cat with a BB gun and skinning it alive. The drowning and the antifreeze are certainly getting up there - but I don't think any of the people that mentioned it set out to torture anything. I'll also venture to guess that they haven't moved on to people yet.
I just saw some mole hills in the yard today. I killed it about an hour ago. Dug it up and killed it with the shovel. Was that cruel? Yeah - it was just a mole. But understand that there are many people out there that would like to pin a felony on me for that.
Or even just for hunting.
Just sayin.

 

[Bull]

It's ironic, since my post that you quoted was telling you to relax.

Also, I see you are using a drooling smiley next to talk about my undies. I'm flattered.

Relax bro, we're simply exchanging viewpoints.

No need to get your big girl ******* in a bunch.

 

[Daddy_Rabbit]

Very nicely played sir.

 

[Bull]

Very nicely played sir.

I knew that any guy with Will as his avatar would be up for a bit of humor.

 

[mrbreezeet1]

Give the cat anti freeze and you might have to answer to god someday for it too.
Thanks, Tony

 

[kywildcat]

So, by your logic, because this sick ******* killed a dog then he deserves to die.

Is that a correct assumption?

I don't have a problem with it!!!

 

[rick carpenter]

I don't know whos cat it is - it's only outside at night also --- so I haven't seen it other than based off its tracks. Trapping it won't give me any results in finding the owner.

The trapped animal in the cage on your front lawn with a sign asking who the owner is and a deadline for going to the pound might get some results. For good measure, piss on the cat.

 

[Daddy_Rabbit]

I knew that any guy with Will as his avatar would be up for a bit of humor.

Always.

 

[JustBob]

Oh - he's not biased is he.
I love how they imply causation with this. They all but come out and say that animal cruelty causes a person to later commit heinous crimes against people. Maybe, just maybe, a person that would practice cruelty towards animals was just a screwed up individual to begin with.
And I think people here need to examine their definition of cruelty. I think there is a big difference between popping a cat with a BB gun and skinning it alive. The drowning and the antifreeze are certainly getting up there - but I don't think any of the people that mentioned it set out to torture anything. I'll also venture to guess that they haven't moved on to people yet.
I just saw some mole hills in the yard today. I killed it about an hour ago. Dug it up and killed it with the shovel. Was that cruel? Yeah - it was just a mole. But understand that there are many people out there that would like to pin a felony on me for that.
Or even just for hunting.
Just sayin.

Dont get me wrong, my post was in reference to 2 particular posts earlier. My opinion on animal cruelty is that it is cruelty when you kill or harm an animal needlessly or without cause. You killed a mole that was digging up your grass, so what, better to get rid of a nuisance than to give it to a neighbor.

After hurricane Katrina I had alot of cats show up. After trying to find the owners with no luck, and no shelter or animal adoption place would take them I took 13 of them to the pound one day. I was told after 24 hours, they get euthanized because there is no room. I tell them I got 17 more hanging around my house that need to be taken care of and they tell me some BS about they are really my cats that I dont want anymore and from now on... any more I bring in I will be charged $10 for each one.

I didnt haul them off somewhere, I DID not pay $10 a piece to the pound either, but I humanely got rid of the problem...

 

[the1208]

i didnt read this post all the way threw so sorry but had to post my 2 cents.

go buy a air rifle (high end BB gun) there all the talk on the gun sites/mags and SHOOT the damn things the ONLY way your going to get rid of them.

The other thing there is very few people that hate OUTSIDE cats more then I do but even I wouldn t use anti freeze that is not a pretty way to kill anything

Lastly for you cat lovers out there who feel they have to comment on my post don t bother. Notice I said OUTSIDE if you love your cats keep the damn things in the house . In my opinion there is nothing that has done more damage to the small game and upland bird population then outside cats and there is nothing you could say that will stop me from shooting the damn thing

 

[quick86]

In relation to the initial post... My brothers purebred rottie is over and being baby sat... He went out in my yard and did some sniffing and learning the territory - smelled where the cats were ******* on the one side of the deck, and marked it... Haven't seen their tracks since in the past couple days... :roll: Maybe he took care of the problem for me. :roll:

 

[nissan_crawler]

Good luck with that defense in a court of law.

Didn't say anything about that. In many states, if somebody put a gun to your wifes/kids head, it wouldn't be legal for you to do anything about it. Are you telling me if you had a gun in hand, you would just sit there?

So, by your logic, because this sick ******* killed a dog then he deserves to die.

Is that a correct assumption?

Killed a dog? no. Tortured one to death? Fine by me if he dies.

I certainly wouldn't kill them over a dog. But hey, that's just me.

Personal choice. I wouldn't after the fact, but if I caught them when the animal still had a chance, and they didn't want to stop...the animal would live.

I just saw some mole hills in the yard today. I killed it about an hour ago. Dug it up and killed it with the shovel. Was that cruel? Yeah - it was just a mole. But understand that there are many people out there that would like to pin a felony on me for that.
Or even just for hunting.
Just sayin.

Cruel? Well, did you dig it up, and chop it's head off with a shovel? Although perhaps grotesque for some, it's pretty humane. I don't think they suffer much without a head. Now, if you chopped off it's tail, then one foot at a time, etc...yeah, that's cruel.

If I see a mouse, I'll stomp on it. Although perhaps grotesque again, I don't think a mouse feels much with a 240 pound guy slamming down on it's head. Now, if it was barely sticking out of a hole and all I could do was crush a little bit of it's back and back legs...no, I wouldn't do that.

 

[PassnThru]

Cruel? Well, did you dig it up, and chop it's head off with a shovel? Although perhaps grotesque for some, it's pretty humane. I don't think they suffer much without a head. Now, if you chopped off it's tail, then one foot at a time, etc...yeah, that's cruel.

Actually, it's a round tip shovel but I use it for digging so it doesn't have a razor sharp edge. I aim for the head but the best way you could describe the method of kill would be blunt force trauma. But no, I don't try to prolong the agony just because I'm pissed off at it for digging up the yard. Google moles sometime - you would probably be surprised at the number of people that try to capture the mole alive so they can relocate it. Those are the people that would push for a law to make it illegal (i.e. animal cruelty) for me to kill it.

Dont get me wrong, my post was in reference to 2 particular posts earlier. My opinion on animal cruelty is that it is cruelty when you kill or harm an animal needlessly or without cause. You killed a mole that was digging up your grass, so what, better to get rid of a nuisance than to give it to a neighbor.

I get the impression that you don't think there is ever any cause. We differ there - if a stray cat or dog is hanging around my house then I believe I have cause. If it is unwelcome and won't leave on it's own then I have cause. It's not just the digging and the excrement - I have three kids 7 and under so it can also be a safety issue. You state that simply killing the animal is cruel. You don't differentiate between a quick, humane death and a slow one by torture. That pretty much illustrates my point.

 

[Daddy_Rabbit]

Didn't say anything about that. In many states, if somebody put a gun to your wifes/kids head, it wouldn't be legal for you to do anything about it. Are you telling me if you had a gun in hand, you would just sit there?

What are you talking about? What does a gun, my wife's head and me having a gun have anything to do with executing a guy with mental issues for killing a dog.

Killed a dog? no. Tortured one to death? Fine by me if he dies.

Emotions aside, what's the difference? Either way the dog is dead and you want a human to die for it as some form of justice or payback.

Why stop at dogs or cats? Do you feel the same with cockroaches, bees, houseflies and ants? If not, why? If you are true to your ideals then don't they deserve the same compassion as the others?

Personal choice. I wouldn't after the fact, but if I caught them when the animal still had a chance, and they didn't want to stop...the animal would live.

ok?

 

[Bull]

Insects are not the same as higher mammals. For a host of reasons.

This thread is on life support. No value here, and people are talking about killing too much. If I want to read about killing, I'll turn on the news.

 

[JustBob]

Actually, it's a round tip shovel but I use it for digging so it doesn't have a razor sharp edge. I aim for the head but the best way you could describe the method of kill would be blunt force trauma. But no, I don't try to prolong the agony just because I'm pissed off at it for digging up the yard. Google moles sometime - you would probably be surprised at the number of people that try to capture the mole alive so they can relocate it. Those are the people that would push for a law to make it illegal (i.e. animal cruelty) for me to kill it.


I get the impression that you don't think there is ever any cause. We differ there - if a stray cat or dog is hanging around my house then I believe I have cause. If it is unwelcome and won't leave on it's own then I have cause. It's not just the digging and the excrement - I have three kids 7 and under so it can also be a safety issue. You state that simply killing the animal is cruel. You don't differentiate between a quick, humane death and a slow one by torture. That pretty much illustrates my point.

Actually, if you re-read what I wrote I was agreeing with you. I said "it is cruelty when you kill or harm an animal needlessly or without cause"... as in if you kill something for no reason other than to kill it or make it suffer. As for the mole, you had just cause in my opinion. I am an avid hunter myself, just as Nissan, I dont take a shot unless I know I can get a clean kill. I am no stranger to the death of animals, but I do not do it for my entertainment nor for pleasure... except maybe for those damn armadillos!

 

[nissan_crawler]

What are you talking about? What does a gun, my wife's head and me having a gun have anything to do with executing a guy with mental issues for killing a dog.


Emotions aside, what's the difference? Either way the dog is dead and you want a human to die for it as some form of justice or payback.

Why stop at dogs or cats? Do you feel the same with cockroaches, bees, houseflies and ants? If not, why? If you are true to your ideals then don't they deserve the same compassion as the others?


ok?

You were talking about the legality of it. the legality of it or not, wouldn't be the deciding factor for me, that's what I was talking about.

The difference is, in one situation, the death is quick and painless, in the other situation it's prolonged for somebody's amusement.

I don't pull wings or legs off flies or bugs, either. I will kill them quickly, though.

 

[Daddy_Rabbit]

ok ... you win ... you got the last word in ... wait

 

[nathank]

Drowning an animal is not pleasant.
Allow me to explain: We had a MOUSE problem. Caught it on a live trap. I couldn't be bothered to take it faaaar away and use mineral oil to loosen the glue, so I dumped him upside down in a bucket of water. It was actually pretty ****** and I still feel bad about it. A drowning animal will, like any human, fight for life...

A mouse? Really? I beat one to death with a flip flop the other night and I feel pretty good about it.