Problem With New Carlyle Crimpers

[Locator]

I just purchased a set of these Carlyle crimpers:

The non-insulated crimp section does not work well at all. It makes a very small indent and you can pull the wire out of the connector.

I have several other crimpers that work well and I know how to crimp. I can crimp the same connectors, with the same wire and you cannot pull them apart. I wanted a pair of smaller, more compact crimpers for a project, but these are disappointing.

Does the similar Snap-On 7ACF work better with non-insulating terminals? Looking at pictures, it appears that it might. It has less gap between the jaws, but I'm also wondering if the tab that indents is wider?

Has anyone studied both pairs side-by-side? Anyone used both on non-insulated terminals? Any difference?

Thanks!

 

[Brownsfan]

I have these haven't had any issues at all . I use them daily. What kind cof connectors are you using these on. What gauge wire?

 

[rlitman]

...The non-insulated crimp section does not work well at all. It makes a very small indent and you can pull the wire out of the connector...

No surprise at all here. The leverage on those is seriously insufficient.
The handles are too short, and the indent crimper is too far from the pivot.

On a good crimper, the jaw closest the the pivot will give you the most force. The outer jaw is only useful for smaller things. And in the case of those crimpers, even the inner jaw is too far out. They wasted so much space that even if you stood on it, you wouldn't get a good crimp.

Also, if you were trying to crimp solid wire, forget it with those.

For hand powered non-insulated indent crimps, there is one and only one crimper to rule them all. You want a Thomas & Betts WT111M. Note that that has only non-insulated jaws.

I also own a Klein 1005, and I like it for insulated crimps, but I find that the non-insulated side just isn't in the same league as the T&B. The Klein 1006 is only non-insulated, however, the jaw width is narrower than the T&B (as is the 1005 for that matter), so the crimp still isn't as good.

 

[Locator]

Thanks for the feedback. Connectors are 3M seamless copper **** connectors. Also tried it with some Raychem/TE connectors, but they weren't seamless. Wire is 14 ga. copper stranded.

Some of my other crimpers are T&B WT112M, Klein 1005, Astro ratcheting, Titan ratcheting, etc. Also planning to order a T&B WT111M soon. Was just hoping this little thing would work sufficiently in a tighter spot.

I imagine the Snap-On would suffer from the same shortcomings?

As an aside, I'm also thinking about adding a Pressmaster with some dies, but don't know. I've also thought about an Ideal Crimpmaster, but it almost looks like the same as the Astr and Titan. The Crimpmaster has the adjustment wheel on the opposite side, for some reason.

 

[bobcatdan]

I have the snap on ones like that. For red and blue **** connectors, work awesome. You can do yellow if you are motivated, but they are too small for those in general.

 

[Locator]

I have the snap on ones like that. For red and blue **** connectors, work awesome. You can do yellow if you are motivated, but they are too small for those in general.

So, the Snap-On will pass a strong pull-test after crimping? My Carlyles won't even pass a pull-test with the insulated connectors, either. I'm very disappointed in them and am going to return them.

It could be that the Snap-Ons have a wider and longer engagement surface for the crimps, I don't know.

 

[plinker]

Some guy's I worked with had the Snap-on crimpers, I didnt like how they crimped, particularly with the 10-12 (yellow) terminals. This was mostly with insulated terminals, FWIW. Seemes like they'd always cut into the insulation.

I use Klein 1005's and the Tool aid ratcheting crimpers. I also have the Channellock 909's, they seem to nick insulation to some degree, I do like them a bit better for non-insulated terminals.

FWIW, I have a set similar to the Carlyle's except the jaw is at a 90* angle for tight spaces with short wire, I dont use them unless I need to. Got them from the Matco guy (possibly OTC OEM)

 

[bobcatdan]

So, the Snap-On will pass a strong pull-test after crimping? My Carlyles won't even pass a pull-test with the insulated connectors, either. I'm very disappointed in them and am going to return them.

It could be that the Snap-Ons have a wider and longer engagement surface for the crimps, I don't know.

Can't say I really yank on my wiring after crimping, but working on the same fleet of equipment every day, I don't see my wiring repairs failing

 

[Wamsutta]

If you want a good non-insulated crimp, Ideal #30-429 crimpers are it.

 

[Locator]

If you want a good non-insulated crimp, Ideal #30-429 crimpers are it.

Interesting. I've looked at those (online), but have read several comments that the design (or quality?) has changed in recent years. How old are yours'?

 

[ez-duzit]

You need the ratcheting crimpers of this style. Good ones are less than $50.

 

[Matti]

Just bought my first good crimper...a Klein 1005 that I am using for uninsulated connectors. It works great and has adequate leverage IMHO. It was relatively cheap so I don't know why I didn't buy one years ago.

 

[Wamsutta]

Interesting. I've looked at those (online), but have read several comments that the design (or quality?) has changed in recent years. How old are yours'?

This is what they can do. Make sure the seam is facing down into the "ditch" like shown. Mine are about 20 years old.

 

[mtnkrake]

I have a set of Burndy y10d that crimp really well for non ratcheting

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[rick carpenter]

I also own a Klein 1005, and I like it for insulated crimps, but I find that the non-insulated side just isn't in the same league as the T&B. The Klein 1006 is only non-insulated, however, the jaw width is narrower than the T&B (as is the 1005 for that matter), so the crimp still isn't as good.

I just measured my T&B WT111M and Klein 1006 and the Klein is about 30 thou skinnier.

 

[bwringer]

OP was talking about uninsulated terminals, but some of youse guys are talking about tools for insulated terminals...


Anyhoo, it looks to me like the Carlyle tool has a pretty large gap when the jaws are closed. I don't see how you'd ever get a good tight crimp with that, even on 14 gauge wire. Plus the "bare" slot is at the end of the jaw where there's less leverage, and the tool handles are pretty short.

The Ideal tool has a much smaller gap and the "bare" slot is closest to the hinge, so you can make the crimp as tight as you want. And it's a longer tool, so you can easily apply the required force.

The Carlyle is just a ****** design, I guess.

 

[Brownsfan]

So, the Snap-On will pass a strong pull-test after crimping? My Carlyles won't even pass a pull-test with the insulated connectors, either. I'm very disappointed in them and am going to return them.

It could be that the Snap-Ons have a wider and longer engagement surface for the crimps, I don't know.

Are you using the front tooth for insulated connectors? Because i use these every day using the non insulated die on it with no issues. They pass the pull test definitely

 

[Locator]

Are you using the front tooth for insulated connectors? Because i use these every day using the non insulated die on it with no issues. They pass the pull test definitely

Yep. And with the seam on the opposite side of the tooth. It works fine with all of my other crimpers, just not the Carlyle.

EDIT: Strike that about the seam, these connectors are seamless. I also did some tests with AMP TE **** connectors that had a seam, with the same results.

 

[Wamsutta]

Yep. And with the seam on the opposite side of the tooth. It works fine with all of my other crimpers, just not the Carlyle.

EDIT: Strike that about the seam, these connectors are seamless. I also did some tests with AMP TE **** connectors that had a seam, with the same results.

Snap-on 29ACF is what I'd get today if I was going to get some.

 

[Rarified27]

I have the Carlyle in my travel bag and Channellock 909's at home.

The Carlyle works on everything I've tried (red/blue/yellow), but there's definitely a different approach for each one to ensure secure connections.

The Carlyle was a draw for me because the standard multi purpose stripper crimpers tend to not be good crimpers because it's inside the fulcrum and there's no leverage. Carlyle looked just like the Snap On/OEM offerings and was cheaper.

Comparatively, the 909's have never given me an issue.