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Problems Installing Bendpak Double Wide Parking lIft

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Bendpak Double wide Suspension Parking Lift PL-6KDT

I know lots of people love Bendpak, but I don't anymore. I ordered a new product from them; a double wide suspension parking lift. The quality and workmanship appear to be great, which would be in keeping with a lift that costs $13,000. But we could not wire up the controls with the motor pump unit as delivered. I spent four days and an additional $950 before we uncovered the problem; and only after a two hour conference call between my electricians (yes two!) and one of their engineers.

As it turned out, the control pod pigtail leads did not have the correct number of wires. Whether Bendpak sent the wrong motor pump unit, or it a was mistake made by their vendor; I do not know. The kit was also missing both control valve solenoids, and another trim piece which might lead one to suspect a packing error regarding the motor/pump. What I do know is we were required to modify the internals of the electrical control box by opening the box and splicing in two additional wires to the transformer - rectifier unit internal wiring. This is NOT normal.

If Bendpak had supplied written electrical instructions of any kind; or better yet provided assembly photos of the parts; we would have immediately understood we had the wrong part. I'm confident Bendpak would have immediately sent the correct parts. But their wiring guidance is limited to an electrical schematic; mind you not a wiring diagram, but a schematic. And Bendpak kept insisting my electricians can't read the schematics. Even the installers, who sometimes do simple wiring were perplexed by the lack of any written instructions.

Consequently, a two day project turned into a week long effort which cost me at least triple the amount for electrical hookups. I even hired a second licensed electrician after the first said it lacked the correct number of wires to function as delivered (he was right). In addition, the installers were forced to reschedule an additional day raising costs another $300. All told my added out of pocket were more than $900. This is on top of the initial $1700 basic install quote.

First of all, I want Bendpak first to admit they sent the wrong part, and second to compensate me for the time and labor of my electricians. Their response? It was your fault because your electricians were too stupid to read a schematic. Even though their own engineer finally agreed we would have to rewire the module, guided us through the rewiring workaround to modify the equipment.

I've attached pics showing the 'extra' wires we added after a two hour conference call with their electrical engineer. Of course if you have a friend or close relative who's an EE, then by all means get this lift; but otherwise don't expect much help if you run into a similar problem. Apparently the customer is always wrong when it comes to electrical hookups.

The lift is up running now, and its a great piece of engineering. However, I am totally frustrated by this company's lack of business ethics. Their self serving denial of a simple mistake and failure to make things right, even when their own engineer admits the problem was on the supplier side, is unethical. To go the extra mile and blame the end user, is inexcusable. Bendpak is on my **** list.
 

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I had issues with their customer service when researching my double wide lift.

Did you purchase the lift with solid floors? If so, let us know how it is working out once you have the issues addressed. I wanted to be able to access my cars, so I went with a more traditional 2-car lift. Customer service was excellent at Wildfire. But they don’t offer anything like the suspension lift you purchased.
 

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Nothing like blaming the customer
I doubt I will ever need more than my rotary lifts but good to know
Thx for posting
 

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Thanks for posting this. I’ve seen a couple of negative reviews about Bendpak and poor customer service communication. Crossing them off my list.
 

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Gordon,

Glad to hear the power unit is finally up and running. Sorry it took so long to get the wiring figured out.

So others understand the lift in question, this is it - one power unit, two independent platforms.

Tandem-Platform-Parking-Lift-Double-Wide-Home-Garage-BendPak-PL-6K.jpg


So others understand the wiring in question, here is the (current) manual / wiring instructions.
https://www.bendpak.com/PL-6K-Series-Parking-Lift-Manual-5900056-BendPak.pdf

We did not send the wrong power unit. Although it may not have been clear in the manual/schematics (I apologize) not all wires/wiring is included.

We had a staff meeting today regarding future electrical wiring diagrams. Rather than using electrical wiring diagrams commonly used in the engineering field, we will be transitioning to simpler, easy-to-understand schematics with pictographs, colors and arrows. We will also be adding “customer supplied” references (where applicable) for all future manual revisions.

You will be receiving a call from BendPak to compensate you the $900.00.

When the new manual is prepared, I will be sure to share.

I hope we can earn back your trust.
 
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Thank you JSK. Your customer service rep, Scott P., contacted me today regarding this matter. In addition to the financial consideration, I was pleased to note that Bendpak decided to revise and upgrade their instructions with more user-friendly diagrams and photos. And I would also like to add for the benefit of the readers here on Garage Journal, that the individual reps like Scott were always very helpful and professional in their dealings with me. I had absolutely no quarrel with them; and I told them as much.

My complaints were directed at corporate Bendpak. Even before any problems arose, I was frustrated by the lack of clear and concise instructions available to the customer. That alone might have helped to avoid the problem in the first place. But then after the problems began to surface, it seemed like Bendpak service reps were unnecessarily handicapped by lengthy and unproductive corporate product support protocols.

But thankfully the issue has been remedied... and I would like to publicly thank Bendpak for making things right. Too often large corporations only focus on the quarterly bottom line; and in doing so, they often overlook the individual customers who cumulatively make that bottom line happen. Thanks for stepping up Bendpak.... you're off my **** list.

By the way, at the zenith of my exasperation with Bendpak; I went out into the garage and stripped off all the three foot high Bendpak decals attached to the front of the support columns. If you send me a couple, I'll be happy to reattach them.
 

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Question:
On the type of lift shown what stops the vehicle from swaying side to side when it is raised or lowered? Is there some type of safety lock that will “catch” the car if a cable should fail?
I have a BendPak that is four years old, I do not use it very often but still cannot keep the cables in adjustment. Not sure if I would buy another one.
 
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The lift platforms are 'suspended' by four cables. When the platform is resting on the ground to load or unload, obviously its stable. A when fully raised, the cables are only a couple feet in length, and under tension because of the car's weight; so the sway is very minor. However, the platforms will sway anytime after leaving the ground, with or without a car. Nonetheless, it can easily be steadied by one hand, and I've not found that to be a problem.

As to adjustment of the cables, each one has about three inches of adjustment at the platform corner attachment points. An adjustable threaded rod clevis is used to attach the cable. When new, the cables are going to 'stretch' as they adjust to the weight of the platform plus cars. So far, they've all stretched equally, and I haven't had to adjust the individual threaded rods. Given that some cables are longer that others, I suppose there will come a time, as the lift gets used and the cables stretched out to their full working length that I'll individually adjust the corners.

The cable system mechanically locks in place when fully raised; taking the weight off the hydraulic lift cylinders and relieving internal line pressure . However, each platform is always suspended at the corners by the full length of its four cables. There is no backup mechanical support / lock system should a cable break. But each cable is 1/2" steel braided wire, and given the massive size of the rest of the equipment like pulleys, and connections; I have no doubts about its ability to carry the suspended weight involved. It's built much like a miniature suspension bridge; and at over 7000 lbs, everything is robust enough to instill confidence. Naturally, one would be prudent to regularly check the condition of their cables, especially where they turn corners or attach to the platform.
 
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Bendpak Double wide Suspension Parking Lift PL-6KDT

I know lots of people love Bendpak, but I don't anymore. I ordered a new product from them; a double wide suspension parking lift. The quality and workmanship appear to be great, which would be in keeping with a lift that costs $13,000. But we could not wire up the controls with the motor pump unit as delivered. I spent four days and an additional $950 before we uncovered the problem; and only after a two hour conference call between my electricians (yes two!) and one of their engineers.

As it turned out, the control pod pigtail leads did not have the correct number of wires. Whether Bendpak sent the wrong motor pump unit, or it a was mistake made by their vendor; I do not know. The kit was also missing both control valve solenoids, and another trim piece which might lead one to suspect a packing error regarding the motor/pump. What I do know is we were required to modify the internals of the electrical control box by opening the box and splicing in two additional wires to the transformer - rectifier unit internal wiring. This is NOT normal.

If Bendpak had supplied written electrical instructions of any kind; or better yet provided assembly photos of the parts; we would have immediately understood we had the wrong part. I'm confident Bendpak would have immediately sent the correct parts. But their wiring guidance is limited to an electrical schematic; mind you not a wiring diagram, but a schematic. And Bendpak kept insisting my electricians can't read the schematics. Even the installers, who sometimes do simple wiring were perplexed by the lack of any written instructions.

Consequently, a two day project turned into a week long effort which cost me at least triple the amount for electrical hookups. I even hired a second licensed electrician after the first said it lacked the correct number of wires to function as delivered (he was right). In addition, the installers were forced to reschedule an additional day raising costs another $300. All told my added out of pocket were more than $900. This is on top of the initial $1700 basic install quote.

First of all, I want Bendpak first to admit they sent the wrong part, and second to compensate me for the time and labor of my electricians. Their response? It was your fault because your electricians were too stupid to read a schematic. Even though their own engineer finally agreed we would have to rewire the module, guided us through the rewiring workaround to modify the equipment.

I've attached pics showing the 'extra' wires we added after a two hour conference call with their electrical engineer. Of course if you have a friend or close relative who's an EE, then by all means get this lift; but otherwise don't expect much help if you run into a similar problem. Apparently the customer is always wrong when it comes to electrical hookups.

The lift is up running now, and its a great piece of engineering. However, I am totally frustrated by this company's lack of business ethics. Their self serving denial of a simple mistake and failure to make things right, even when their own engineer admits the problem was on the supplier side, is unethical. To go the extra mile and blame the end user, is inexcusable. Bendpak is on my **** list.

If you think you have a case, take them to court.

Oh, I see it's been resolved!

Bill
 
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If you think you have a case, take them to court - Bill

Nobody wins in court except the lawyers. Actually, once they understood the details of my complaint, I found Bendpak to be very reasonable to deal with. They appeared motivated to quickly resolved the problem; and after they met internally, they offered up a equitable and fair settlement that same day.

I am a former government contracts specialist who learned a long time ago the fastest way to have everything go south is to lose your temper and threaten litigation. Stay cool, state your case with neutrality. and provide enough information for the other party to understand your situation. Then give them enough time to offer consideration. The only time this hasn't proven successful is when the other party was intent on defrauding you in the first place. Then go for the jugular with gusto.
 
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Gordon,

Glad to hear that we’re off the list.

We do try our best here, from the entire support staff to upper executive team. Life would sure be easier if we only made a dozen or so products but that’s not in our DNA. If there is an opportunity for growth, we tackle it, but growth is bitter sweet. As once quoted, “Growth is a spiral process, doubling back on itself, reassessing and regrouping.” We always strive to keep reexamining our processes and focus. That’s always the hard part.

In the interest of your garage livery, labels or no labels is totally up to you, but I will be happy to send you some replacements!

Jeff
 
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Pics of Bendpak Double Wide Parking lift installed

Thought I'd show some pics of the finished lift. I think it turned very nice; and given the constraints of existing garage dimensions, it fits well, and is a very good utilization of available space. It looks a lot more impressive in person than the pics. If nothing else, it's quite a conversation piece.

Currently the platforms lock at 72" of headroom; but once I remove the overhead obstructions like the fan and fixtures, it'll be over seven feet of clearance on the high setting.

I added LED strip-lighting to the underneath of the platforms which helps minimize the claustrophobic influence of inserting a 7000 lb structural steel frame in the middle of your garage. Actually I was surprised there was so much open space around and under the platforms. It's not a box or cube, but more of a space-frame.

All in cost was $13K for the lift, $2K installation, and $400 for the lighting. Considering my next best option was to rent a double wide garage space @ $500/mo., I figure in three years, it'll be paying for itself. Plus there's the added convenience of having everything housed under one roof.

Furthermore, Bendpak and I are once again friends; and I've got a nice parking solution for the garage. All's well that ends well. gordo
 

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Yes, thanks for the complete follow-up.

When someone has a negative rant but does not give sufficient details so that others can understand what happened and what path was used to resolve the issue.

It is like the people who do not return their shopping buggy back to the corral when finished........selfish.
 

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Re: Pics of Bendpak Double Wide Parking lift installed

Thought I'd show some pics of the finished lift. I think it turned very nice; and given the constraints of existing garage dimensions, it fits well, and is a very good utilization of available space. It looks a lot more impressive in person than the pics. If nothing else, it's quite a conversation piece.

Currently the platforms lock at 72" of headroom; but once I remove the overhead obstructions like the fan and fixtures, it'll be over seven feet of clearance on the high setting.

I added LED strip-lighting to the underneath of the platforms which helps minimize the claustrophobic influence of inserting a 7000 lb structural steel frame in the middle of your garage. Actually I was surprised there was so much open space around and under the platforms. It's not a box or cube, but more of a space-frame.

All in cost was $13K for the lift, $2K installation, and $400 for the lighting. Considering my next best option was to rent a double wide garage space @ $500/mo., I figure in three years, it'll be paying for itself. Plus there's the added convenience of having everything housed under one roof.

Furthermore, Bendpak and I are once again friends; and I've got a nice parking solution for the garage. All's well that ends well. gordo

How tall are your ceilings? I have a garage that will be 10’6” in height, is that enough room in your opinion?
 
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Re: Pics of Bendpak Double Wide Parking lift installed

How tall are your ceilings? I have a garage that will be 10’6” in height, is that enough room in your opinion?

My ceilings are 12'0'. Figure about 6-7" needed for the thickness of the platform and another 3" is required for the lift operation to hard lock... it goes above the locking point and settles back down into the hard locking point; so you need to allow for that platform travel.

In my opinion, 10'6" is not going to allow enough height to provide safe roof clearance while providing a standup six foot walk space underneath
 

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I've been very interested in this lift since it was first talked about on GJ a while back. Unfortunately I'd have to raise the ceiling of my garage and it's not clear that that is a possibility or that I'd gain enough height to be able to use the lift.

Glad to see the issues were sorted with your install and that they are making changes to the install manual to clarify. Now that you've had it for about 6 months, any issues at all?

Great looking lift.
 
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The double wide suspension parking lift from Bendpak has worked flawlessly. Its been nearly a year now, and the cables are stretched; so I am getting the installers back here to re-set the locking heights by disconnecting the cable clamps and readjusting the lengths of the cables.... maybe another six or eight inches to coordinate the locking height to the overhead space I have left. There are two (2) locking heights built-in to the design, and I am finding the optimal height for me is exactly between the two. g.
 
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I have a standard 16' wide by 7' high double wide hurricane rated garage door. Height of the platform hasn't been an issue except care must been taken when opening the tailgate on an SUV or wagon, (Or the extremely 'long' hatch on the Jag coupe) as the body panels will strike the bottom of the lift platform. I've invested in some rubber 'bumpers' and its a non issue.

One complaint I do have is with the distance between posts which is (off the top of my head) like 15'8" and they intrude into the sixteen foot opening width by a couple of inches on either side.

I don't understand why they would design a lift for a double wide garage door and put the posts a couple of inches inside of the door opening span. Nothing big... but its sort of strange they would design it like that. Maybe they are concerned about the relatively wide base plates fitting between the door opening and the side walls.
 
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