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Project Update - Architect vs. Engineer Seal in NJ

LenS

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My pole structure has been approved by the Teaneck zoning department, now the building department wants 3 sets of sealed plans. They're specifically calling for an architect's seal (according to them, this is mandated by NJ state residential building codes). I'm ready to contract with Shirk, but they only provide an engineer's seal on their drawings. Anyone else run into this situation? Will I have to find an architect to seal sealed drawings?
 
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Doug I

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An architect will verify that the building meets zoning requirements, boundary set backs, shadow planes, windows, doors, etc etc etc.

An Engineer will verify that the building will withstand the wind/seismic/dead/live loads without failure.

Sounds like you will need to find an Architect to check/verify/stamp the dwgs.
 

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Talk to Shirk. The drawings should be stamped/sealed by someone who has the correct background. Engineers and Architects have many areas that overlap. I would think that a stamp from a licensed engineer would be ok. For example, if your plans included electrical drawings, an architect can not stamp those plans. Shirks website says they do business in Jersey so they should be able to clarify. Let them do the work for you.

Are you going to act as the General Contractor? Are you going to pull the permits or are they going to be responsible for that?
 
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I've spoken w/ Shirk; they told me that they use an engineer's seal for all NJ work and have never had a problem, unless maybe the requirements are changing?

I'll be pulling the permits...
 

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Architects and Engineers are also limited by their Errors and Omissions Insurance as to what they can sign and seal from a liability standpoint.

Depending on the complexity of the building, an architect may have a structural engineer review the foundation and roof designs as well as header and column sizes. In that case, you probably end up with both an architect's and engineer's stamp on the drawings.

Ask the building official that will actually be reviewing the plans. While state law may mandate an architect, there might be some leeway in what is actually required. The building department's main concern is that the building you are putting up is designed to meet local frost conditions, wind load / weather factors, and meets the other parameters of their locally adopted / amended code to be a complete and safe building.

In instances of larger projects, the architect of record typically signs off on the entire project while the civil, structural, mechanical, electrical, plumbing, and other engineers sign off on their portion of the project. Ultimate responsibility falls back on the architect.



Double check if the building department wants original "wet" stamps / impressioned seals or if reproductions are acceptable. My guess is that they want all originals. It's a good thing to know before you pay for printing of drawings.

I would also keep an original set of stamped drawings for my records if I were you.
 
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Depending on the company, most architecture firms have both structural engineers and architects. There are even licensed architects that also hold a structural license. All depends on the company though, as some farm out their structural work to a structural firm.
 
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LenS

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Update: Pole barn company's engineer is discussing the situation with my township's (Teaneck, NJ) building inspector to determine exactly what I need re: sealed plans. No definitive conclusion yet...

Anyone know the link that would direct me to NJ's state residential building codes?

Thanks.
 

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Update: Pole barn company's engineer is discussing the situation with my township's (Teaneck, NJ) building inspector to determine exactly what I need re: sealed plans. No definitive conclusion yet...

Anyone know the link that would direct me to NJ's state residential building codes?

Thanks.

NJ uses the IRC im sure and im not aware of it being online anywhere, but your local town shoud have zoning ordinances reguarding setbacks, height, etc. online, if not go to the town hall
 
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Its been a while since I've posted but I'm happy to report that after starting this project back in April, (survey, zoning, research, plans, fence relocation, etc.) I finally picked up my permit this morning. Demo/site prep begins a week from today, and weather permitting, Conestoga should start the week after Christmas. Going from a 13' w x 19' d block structure to a 26' w x 24' d pole barn. The only code issues in the plan review involved a wet vs. dry pour for the footings and a 1 hour fire rating on one wall of the new structure (closer than 5' from the property line). I'll post images as things progress.

FYI - I have a Clopay 8' x 8' vinyl insulated garage door FS in the classifieds...

Thanks to all on this site who provided invaluable information throughout the year.
 
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