Proper Application Thickness

[Epacy]

I am being quoted the below and wanted to see what was an acceptable thickness so it's not too thin.

epoxy based basecoat and a polyure/polyaspartic topcoat. Base coat will be applied at 200-225 square feet per gallon and the topcoat will be applied at 200 square feet per gallon.

Sound acceptable?

 

[thegarageguy]

What, no primer??? It's wise to prime before base coating. If not, you may not get maximum adhesion and or penetration. Also, if it's a porous surface, most of the proposed "basecoat" will absorb into the concrete and leave a very low film in area. Also, without a good primer, you are susceptible to out gassing, pin holes, bubbling and or craters, giving your floor a flawed look and possible areas for it to trap dirt.

How will the concrete be prepped? What's their experience? How long have they been in business? Have you seen any of their work, preferably a few years old. Have you contacted any referrals? Have you had other bids?

 

[Epacy]

What, no primer??? It's wise to prime before base coating. If not, you may not get maximum adhesion and or penetration. Also, if it's a porous surface, most of the proposed "basecoat" will absorb into the concrete and leave a very low film in area. Also, without a good primer, you are susceptible to out gassing, pin holes, bubbling and or craters, giving your floor a flawed look and possible areas for it to trap dirt.

How will the concrete be prepped? What's their experience? How long have they been in business? Have you seen any of their work, preferably a few years old. Have you contacted any referrals? Have you had other bids?

Did you actually see my question? You basically went everywhere but the answer.

This is Premier Garage, so that should answer all of your questions.

 

[oldwino]

I would recommend downloading the product data sheets for the material (manufacturer and product identification) quoted and do the math...you don't need to look at the coverage per sf, you need to check percent solids and recommended mil thickness. most 100% epoxy coatings are around 1600 sf/mil(exact amount will be on manufacturers product data sheet) so if you are applying 80% solids, factor in the difference. You want to achieve manufacturers DFT (dry film thickness).

 

[gabeancounter]

Garage guy was actually giving some good advice. Recommend a primer coat. Trying to ensure you get a complete floor package.

Your question on thickness. No, that is not thick enough for solids epoxy. 100% solids epoxy from most manufactures recommend 50-150 sqft per gallon. Solvent based that would be close to recommended coverage (200 gallon). But with solvent based it is normally thinned and applied as a primmer coat then second coat at full strength. So your back to 100 sqft gallon.

Welcome to GJ.

 

[thegarageguy]

Sometimes people ask questions to validate their purchase or hopes. The problem with you question is that it's wrong. What you should be asking if the application is correct.

According to Premier Garage, they do not manufacturer their own system anymore. They recently sent out a press release saying they inked a deal with Sika Flooring systems.

Now, just by looking at Sika's product offerings, I'm gonna make an educated guess that what Premier is using is Sikafloor® 510 Fast Curing Polyaspartic Binder/Coating.

A clear two-component, solvent-free, 100% solids, low-viscosity, high strength, polyaspartic resin used as a primer, binder and sealer for a quick cure Sikafloor Quartz Color broadcast system.

http://www.sikafloorusa.com/items/techresources/Components/tds-cpd-Sikafloor510-us.pdf

By reading all the info provided, you understand that it is a 3 layer system, primer, base coat and sealer. That means 3 coats!

It seems that this Premier Garage installer is not applying the system properly or short changing you purposefully to save time and money on his end.

So to answer your original question, the answer is NO

 

[Epacy]

Sometimes people ask questions to validate their purchase or hopes. The problem with you question is that it's wrong. What you should be asking if the application is correct.

According to Premier Garage, they do not manufacturer their own system anymore. They recently sent out a press release saying they inked a deal with Sika Flooring systems.

Now, just by looking at Sika's product offerings, I'm gonna make an educated guess that what Premier is using is Sikafloor® 510 Fast Curing Polyaspartic Binder/Coating.

A clear two-component, solvent-free, 100% solids, low-viscosity, high strength, polyaspartic resin used as a primer, binder and sealer for a quick cure Sikafloor Quartz Color broadcast system.

http://www.sikafloorusa.com/items/techresources/Components/tds-cpd-Sikafloor510-us.pdf

By reading all the info provided, you understand that it is a 3 layer system, primer, base coat and sealer. That means 3 coats!

It seems that this Premier Garage installer is not applying the system properly or short changing you purposefully to save time and money on his end.

So to answer your original question, the answer is NO

Jesus, it's amazing how big some people's e-*****'s are and how big of an ego they have.
I come to this forum to ask a question and this guy, who has a penchant for such posts, takes it in a totally different direction based on some information that wasn't even provided.
You try to bash me based on the fact I already made the purchase and am trying to justify it and you have no idea whether that is the case. Is any of this starting to sink in?
You have been basing all of your responses on the fact there is no primer, have no idea where you got that. I have been on internet forums long enough to know that forum a-holes grab some unknown/self-made idea and ride it till death. I see this forum is no exception.
I've already had other forum members PM me about this topic and your modus-operandi. Take it elsewhere already.
Even if I was in your region I MOST definitely wouldn't be looking to send my money your way based on your internet "attitude". You're probably fine with that but don't think I'm the only one...

 

[thegarageguy]

Wow, so offended. You ask a question on an open forum and you don't like the answer. You are presented with facts and bash me.

I was bashed before by some for giving too short of answers and not providing enough info. Blamed for keeping trade secrets or something. This time I try to go above and beyond and give good info and I get called all kinds of derogatory names by a newbie to this forum.

My quick first answer should have been to read the damn product data sheets and answer your own question. Figured you'd know that since you are obviously so damn smart.

The fact is that your original question is unanswerable since none of us know exactly what products they are using. All products, primer, bases and top coats have different spread rates. So I had to take it upon myself to guess at what the system may be.

Sorry for trying to steer you in what I thought was the right direction. My bad.

So let me start over and answer you....Ok, it's the perfect thickness. Go for it!! Enjoy your floor.

 

[JD in DFW]

Jesus, it's amazing how big some people's e-*****'s are and how big of an ego they have.
I come to this forum to ask a question and this guy, who has a penchant for such posts, takes it in a totally different direction based on some information that wasn't even provided.
You try to bash me based on the fact I already made the purchase and am trying to justify it and you have no idea whether that is the case. Is any of this starting to sink in?
You have been basing all of your responses on the fact there is no primer, have no idea where you got that. I have been on internet forums long enough to know that forum a-holes grab some unknown/self-made idea and ride it till death. I see this forum is no exception.
I've already had other forum members PM me about this topic and your modus-operandi. Take it elsewhere already.
Even if I was in your region I MOST definitely wouldn't be looking to send my money your way based on your internet "attitude". You're probably fine with that but don't think I'm the only one...

Boy what the A-hole you seem to be...welcome to the board!

Guy gives you educated and experienced advice and you come off as a total *****. I kinda hope you do go with PG...and get your *** handed to you.

 

[Epacy]

Wow, so offended. You ask a question on an open forum and you don't like the answer. You are presented with facts and bash me.

I was bashed before by some for giving too short of answers and not providing enough info. Blamed for keeping trade secrets or something. This time I try to go above and beyond and give good info and I get called all kinds of derogatory names by a newbie to this forum.

My quick first answer should have been to read the damn product data sheets and answer your own question. Figured you'd know that since you are obviously so damn smart.

The fact is that your original question is unanswerable since none of us know exactly what products they are using. All products, primer, bases and top coats have different spread rates. So I had to take it upon myself to guess at what the system may be.

Sorry for trying to steer you in what I thought was the right direction. My bad.

So let me start over and answer you....Ok, it's the perfect thickness. Go for it!! Enjoy your floor.

I never said I didn't like the answer. Making more things up I see. I just don't care for your attitude saturated comments.

Sure, let's just tell everyone to read whatever product data sheets they are working on. Then there is no need for this forum. This forum where people come to ask questions. Congrats on shutting this site down...

You fabricated the fact there was no primer and spent all your energy and time on killing that one point. That's not my fault...

 

[Epacy]

Boy what the A-hole you seem to be...welcome to the board!

Guy gives you educated and experienced advice and you come off as a total *****. I kinda hope you do go with PG...and get your *** handed to you.

I come off as a *****??? That's laughable.

And how exactly would I get my *** handed to me? Based on what?