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Proposal to install a beach webcam

AirJunky

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So I live in a community that shares a 300' waterfront lot among 50 home owners. We all have quite a few boats & various water toys that we all use & store on the property. We don't have any buildings on the property & only one power pole that has a light on top & the sprinkler system at the bottom.

About a week ago a neighbor came to me & told me that two of his kayaks are missing from the canoe/kayak racks. First thing I thought was "why are your kayaks sitting down there all winter long"??
Anyway, he suggests that we install a surveillance system down there. I happen to work for a security company & have already put some thought into this. He is a bartender & his idea is to go to Costco & buy their 4 camera DVR setup for $400. Well it's obvious to me that that isn't going to work sitting on the ground.... but his plan is to put it in a box & go down there & swap the memory stick every few hours or days.

So we had our HOA meeting last night (I know, sore spot). It went pretty well though. 90 minutes long, no big huge issues, and done. I propose my webcam/surveillance system plan...... briefly, it's a good quality camera mounted on top of the power pole (about 25' high) connected to a wifi bridge. Shoot the signal across the street to the closest neighbor's garage where it's connected to his broadband. Picture would be FTPed to a secure site.... maybe 1 per minute? Then viewable on the secure site where all the homeowners would have access to it via their own account, computer, smartphone, etc. We can store like 1 month's worth of pictures in case anyone needs to go thru it to find some problem.

It's not a real tough system & we can build it for well under $1000. I have access to some old DOT cameras the company upgraded from the side of the freeways. My labor is covered. The HOA already has a secure website. So the only expense is the wifi bridge, which is maybe $300. Plus a NEMA box, conduit, Romex, manlift rental, etc.

So this morning I get an email from one of the guys in the neighborhood. His biggest concern is that this webcam will allow people to watch his wife & daughter in their bikinis on the beach. I'm not sure he realizes that the only people who have access to this secure website with the webcam images on it are the SAME people who are sitting down on the beach staring at his wife & daughter already?!?

Trying to work up an email explaining this.
 
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Givl Reggin

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It is a private beach or public? If it's public you really shouldn't expect any kind of privacy.

Also, what's the resolution of the cameras like? I would bet they are going to be relatively low resolution B/W images anyway.
 

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I'm not sure he realizes that the only people who have access to this secure website with the webcam images on it are the SAME people who are sitting down on the beach staring at his wife & daughter already?!?

I would say exactly that, but I'm a smartass.

Situations like this can be hard, you can easily turn into the bad guy selling yourself to them if something goes wrong or if some genius decides you are taking advantage of them.
 
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It's a private beach in the sense that it's gated & locked, but usually has plenty of homeowners & their guests around, plus it's easy to see thru the fence. And the website is secured, requiring a user to give an assigned login ID & password. New users are only accepted when they purchase a home in the community.

Heres a webcam I helped build on the lake I used to live on. The site is obviously not secure & way more commercial but the camera resolution would be about the same.
 
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AirJunky

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Just tell him thats exactly the reason you want to install the camera.

The thing is that I fully expect there to be numerous reasons that our homeowners will access the site. I already told him that the reason I like the idea is so I can check out the lake conditions from my phone..... if it's nice I'm going to rail home fast & go ski!
I'm sure the neighbor who leaves his kayaks laying around is going to use it to see if his stuff is still laying around.
Other neighbors may use it for other reasons, like checking on their kids, their boat or whatever.
 
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Tell him you hadn't thought of that, but now that you have you will need a much better camera with a much better lens, and the cost just went up.
 
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jmauld

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Why don't you just let him see the quality of the camera. It will probably ease his fears.
 

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I don't see it as that unreasonable. I'm not crazy about being on camera all the time. There's a big difference in your daughter being seen in a bikini by other beach goers vs. some creepy naked guy eyeing her up on his basement computer while she thinks she's alone.
 

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Grew up on a private lake and my parents still live there. We knew we were being watched at the beach, mainly due to quite a bit of vandalism. our lake was/is completely private the hoa has its own water treatment, sewer, roads, and the lake. There was always that thought that the lake manager would skip to the "good parts" after a weekend of recording lol but now that I'm older I highly doubt the camera was ever used nefariously.

Giving all the homeowners access all the time has advantages for watching property and especially for checking water conditions remotely. But I do see this guys worries, camera's can make people think the worst is on the otherside lens....

What makes no sense to me is why would someone leave something that can so easily walk away unsecured? Kayak's are known to grow legs at truck stops when driving to a river in another state lol let alone leave them out long enough for someone to stalk them. HOA politics ... probably no answer that will make everyone happy
 

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Just a couple of thoughts.

Child ***********. All it takes is the camera capturing a 13 year old whose top fell off in the surf, your creepy new neighbor who has access to the site posts the picture on a site of questionable repute.


Security. Whatever you do, don't use FTP. Use any of the more secure protocols.

Finally, what's to prevent you from "accidentally" deleting the photos right after another kayak goes missing?
I'm just playing devil's advocate: if it's a private beach, then whoever took the kayak is most likely a neighbor.

This is just security theater, I wouldn't want my HOA funds to be spent on this.
 
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