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I'm looking for a general guide for protective masks.
Intended use is for dust, grinding concrete, and occasional painting with oil based enamel.
I started to look at 3M products but there are so many it is far from understood.
One mask that could have filters swapped would seem to be nice.
A general gulde or specific recommendations would be appreciated.
 
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So oil based paint would be any organic vapor filter?
Yes, black (activated carbon) for solvent based painting. Important note; they start aging as soon as you open them, if you leave activated carbon filters open to the air for any length of time they become saturated and no longer work to protect you. You can extend the life of them by storing them in a sealed container between uses.

For concrete and other harmful dust I use purple P100 filters.
 

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I use a Drager mask. There’s a range of filters available, but for the sort of things I do all I need are “dust” or occasionally “chemical”. They make a half mask, which is sometimes preferable, that uses the same filters.

I think you can get combined filters, but they cost more and have a shorter shelf life.
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Market leaders, worldwide, are probably 3M, but as you found out, choices at professional level can be bewildering. They do offer a disposable workshop mask and a lot of folks seem to use those.

You will also find JSP (very good) and Moldex, but most of the same comments apply.
 
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Are the filter cartridges universal in fit or do filter and mask have to match in manufacturer?
 

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Are the filter cartridges universal in fit or do filter and mask have to match in manufacturer?
Have to match manufacturer. That said, for most household chemicals, like paint, an OV filter and a pre-filter are all you really need. For common dust, the standard P100/N95 is all thats required.

Here's 3m's basic backgrounder on respirators. https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/565214O/3m-cartridge-filter-guide-and-brochure.pdf

Here is there much more indepth chemical compatibility chart. Ill echo what's been said about fit, its very important!
 
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Have to match manufacturer. That said, for most household chemicals, like paint, an OV filter and a pre-filter are all you really need. For common dust, the standard P100/N95 is all thats required.

Here's 3m's basic backgrounder on respirators. https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/565214O/3m-cartridge-filter-guide-and-brochure.pdf

Here is there much more indepth chemical compatibility chart. Ill echo what's been said about fit, its very important!
Thanks for those references.

When I wrote "dust", perhaps I meant any solid partices, including dirt, metal and concrete grindings, fiberglas insulation, sanding on metals and wood, etc.
I have used an inexpensive medical N95 for blowing the dust around in the back yard while moving leaves and it worked fine there.
Perhaps the primary interest is stinky paint but if it's just swapping cartridges to deal with the "dust" items then it seems like a good thing.
 

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Thanks for those references.

When I wrote "dust", perhaps I meant any solid partices, including dirt, metal and concrete grindings, fiberglas insulation, sanding on metals and wood, etc.
I have used an inexpensive medical N95 for blowing the dust around in the back yard while moving leaves and it worked fine there.
Perhaps the primary interest is stinky paint but if it's just swapping cartridges to deal with the "dust" items then it seems like a good thing.

I know most about 3m products because its what I use and what I sell. so Ill use their models

The 3M 6000 Facepiece is your bog standard, industry mask. Used pretty much EVERYWHERE!. You can upgrade models and get more features like a better headstrap or silicone for more comfort.

The 2091 "Pancake" filter is the standard general purpose "Dust" filter that fits the 6000 (et al) masks. Good for oil mist and will protect from all your above "dusts" like fiberglass, sanding dust, metal etc. Welders wear them alot.

There is a few "upgrade" versions of the 2091 that add some features like nuisance OV protection, 2097 is one. For something like grinding paint (smoke) or using an aerosol spray paint can, 2097 would likely work fine.

If youre going to do something like spray paint a car, with a compressed air paint gun, where youre throwing up a lot of mists then a full on OV 6001 cartridge would be needed. You usually run a prefilter too to prevent cloging the OV. 3M does sell OV filters with built in prefilters too.

Of course as protection goes up, price goes up and there isnt a lot of sense paying for more protection than you need (plus the filters get heavier and harder to breath through as you add protection too)

The 2091 pancake is a real workhorse and is probably the most used respirator filter out there in my experience.
 
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I know most about 3m products because its what I use and what I sell. so Ill use their models

The 2091 "Pancake" filter is the standard general purpose "Dust" filter that fits the 6000 (et al) masks. Good for oil mist and will protect from all your above "dusts" like fiberglass, sanding dust, metal etc. Welders wear them alot.

There is a few "upgrade" versions of the 2091 that add some features like nuisance OV protection, 2097 is one. For something like grinding paint (smoke) or using an aerosol spray paint can, 2097 would likely work fine.

So do I understand that you suggest the 2097 to cover all the intended uses including oil based enamels (spray can or brush on)?
 

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So do I understand that you suggest the 2097 to cover all the intended uses including oil based enamels (spray can or brush on)?

Yes, you should be fine in a ventilated area with consumer grade paints using a 2097. Bear in mind, the OV part of the 2097 is just a thin membrane, its rated for "Nuisance" vapors, which means it wont last particularly long in any amount of heavy vapour. If you can smell the paint, your overloading the filter.

For light painting, there is nothing wrong with using a 6001, other than cost and awkwardness. Would be a bit of overkill though. And once you open the packaging, the filter is technically "dying", so after a couple days depending on how its been stores, its lost some or all of its effectiveness.

If you get into automotive painting with paint that has Isos in it, by rights you should have supplied air, technically even the 6001 OV isnt correct for that.
 
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scooby074,
Is there a cartridge filter equal in intended use to the 2097? Would it last longer than the pancake if wrapped up after use?
For both types, is there an upgrade for light painting in a less than optimal ventilated area like a basement?

Is there a filter intend for dust type particles that lasts for a long time (not just days) during storage after limited use?
As an example, after an initial 15 minute project, being hung up for the next project(s) sometime in the future?
 

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For masks, I run a few.
Anything that makes dust or debris that can damage my face I wear the 3M 6900 full face mask with P100 filters. This thing is STRONG. I had a large cut off disc explode and embed in the mask but not make it through. Saved my face. P100 filters keep all dust out. The reason I don't wear it all the time is it gets hot and stuffy.
When dealing with just dust and debris, I wear the 3M 5005. It's the most comfortable one I've found, and can wear it for hours without getting uncomfortable.. I tend to use the P100 filters.
Anything making vapors, I used a mask that pulls fresh air from an outside source. I have a 3M auto darkening helmet for welding (can't remember the model) with a hookup for that and a full face fresh air mask that I bought off a guy from work for painting cars or other things. I don't trust filters for that stuff.
Most important thing for a mask is the fit. Above all things, make sure it's fitted right. Make sure your clean shaven when using it so it seals properly.
Edit: Note for the P100 filters (pink pancake ones), for dust, the filter is good to use until it becomes hard to breathe in. It doesnt have to store in a certain way.
 

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scooby074,
Is there a cartridge filter equal in intended use to the 2097? Would it last longer if wrapped up after use?
For both types, is there an upgrade for light painting in a less than optimal ventilated area like a basement?

Is there a filter intend for dust type particles that lasts for a reasonable time (not just days) during storage after limited use?
As an example, after an initial 15 minute project, being hung up for the next project(s) sometime in the future?

There are cart. style filters that do the same as the 2091. They are more awkward than the pancake and dont gain any additional function. They arent OV. They get used a lot by people who need to have a decontamination shower, like Asbestos removal.

The OV filters (either style) are activated carbon. Once they are out of the package, they "filter" all the fumes in their surrounding air 24/7 until they are used up. Storing the filters in a ziploc can definitely extend their life. Technically I believe 3M says a filter like a 6001 needs to be changed daily, but if Im painting, Ill usually run it for less than a week, so long as they are still working.

There is no OV filter that will last months and still filter organic vapour if thats what your asking. However, even if the OV section of the filter like a 2097 is no longer functioning, the Dust section will continue to work. The dust section has no time limit, only when it gets clogged and becomes hard to breath through does it need to be changed.

In a less optimal location, like a basement, Id use the 6001. There really is no reason not to other than slightly less comfort.
 

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scooby074,
Is there a cartridge filter equal in intended use to the 2097? Would it last longer than the pancake if wrapped up after use?
For both types, is there an upgrade for light painting in a less than optimal ventilated area like a basement?

Is there a filter intend for dust type particles that lasts for a long time (not just days) during storage after limited use?
As an example, after an initial 15 minute project, being hung up for the next project(s) sometime in the future?

Dust filters don't go bad just from sitting around. They generally only need to be replaced when they are so clogged with dust that they become difficult to breathe through. If you store them in a reasonably clean place they won't degrade.

Organic vapor cartridges are different. They contain activated charcoal that adsorbs harmful organic vapors. But the quantity of charcoal they contain is finite, and it has finite adsorbent capacity. If you keep painting and painting, eventually the cartridge will have adsorbed so many organic vapors that the charcoal is saturated. At that point, the vapors pass right through and the filter is providing little or no protection. And if you store these cartridges in the open, they adsorb any organic vapors that might happen to be around. That cuts into their useful lifetime significantly, and that's why it's best to store them in e.g. a tightly sealed thick plastic bag.

If you are painting with a sprayer, then your filter needs to protect against both particulate and organic vapors. Often, the most cost-effective way to do that is with an organic vapor cartridge with a dust filter in front of it.
 

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Are the filter cartridges universal in fit or do filter and mask have to match in manufacturer?
Some of them are.

Most manufacturers offer some masks that accept “Stanag” (Standard Nato Agreement) 40mm filter cartridges, so obviously these all interchange.

Beyond that, each manufacturer does their own thing.

Most of the proprietary cartridges are smaller / lighter / neater than the 40mm.
 

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@Stuey discussed some of the options that apply to select 3M reusable respirators in the following thread:

What's the deal with the 3M 502 adapter? While it's not difficult to find, major retailers from whom I've purchased most of my other 3M protective gear either don't stock it, or only sell it in relatively large quantities. The standalone P100 filters I'm aware of require it (the 502 adapter) if they're to be used with another another cartridge. Is the issue that most people that want P100 prefiltering in conjunction with another cartridge (e.g., OV) are using combination cartridges that include P100?
 
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