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Proto Ebay listings puzzle me

four.cycle

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I look at a lot of listings on Ebay. Recently I've noticed what seems to be a trend developing: Ebay sellers listing new or almost-new Proto socket sets for as little as one third to one fifth of what the exact same set would cost at Amazon.com, Toolup.com, Zoro.com, or Walmart.

(There are, of course, the clueless Ebay sellers who list new or almost-new Proto socket sets with starting bids of almost as much (if not more) than what the exact same set could be had for from any number of sources, but that's not the subject here.)

I have to wonder what dynamic is in play here that allows an Ebay seller to post a brand-new, still in the shrink wrap Proto socket set with a minimum bid of about $50, when the exact same set is five times that much from any online retailer or Walmart.

Are these items that were shoplifted at Walmart? Were they items purchased on the cheap at Walmart and then a severe case of buyer's remorse became the catalyst for deciding to dump it on Ebay? Was there some enormous glut of Proto socket sets manufactured that were dumped into the marketplace by some liquidator?

The only thing that makes any sense to me is that these came out of Walmart, as consistently I note when comparing prices they are right down at the bottom of the price range.
Oddly, however, I do not see the same sort of thing with Channellock products, another tool line that Walmart sells.

I don't have a problem with competitive pricing and allowing a free market to "control" selling prices.
I do have a concern about the possible unforeseen consequence of prices being driven down resulting in compromises in product quality being made at the manufacturers end. That, of course, could be only wild speculation on my part; there's no evidence to suggest that the product quality of Proto (or Channellock) has been compromised as a result of the product being sold by Walmart (or any online retailer.)

Nonetheless, it's piqued my curiosity, and instead of just letting it bounce around inside my head like a tube of BB's rolling around in a washtub, I thought I'd toss it out there and see if any members can provide any insight.
 
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What puzzles me is educated people acting so obtuse on here with these odd threads .

So you're saying , for example , that the Proto Impact socket set (J72102) being sold by Zoro for $35 is being sold for $7 ? Where are these deals ?

Or are you talking about the NOS socket sets that "bandani" is selling ?

Also, how can you shoplift these socket sets at Wal-mart ?
 
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3baygarage said:
Proto at Walmart? I know they carry the basic Stanley.
Do you mean Walmart's website? Never seen a Proto tool in the store.

You got me.
I'm not a Walmart shopper.
When I see stuff like that listed on Ebay, I'll use Google to compare prices to see if it's something I would post in the "Ebay Hot Deal" thread. Invariably Walmart's pricing will be at the low end, although Zoro and Toolup are right down there as well.
 

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Since when does Walmart sell Proto? And since when are Zoro's prices low? You need a 20-30% coupon to make Zoro's prices competitive.

I bet the Walmart prices you're seeing are being sold by a third party on Walmart's site and not by Walmart themselves.
 

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Yeah, I don't think anybody is walking out of the store with them. Proto has been sold through industrial supply places for a long time. I would imagine many of those places or their warehouses are overstocked with some things and maybe that's where it comes from.

Walmart online is strange. You can find Craftsman through them as well.
 

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WalMart doesn't carry Proto and they only carry Chinese Stanley. They're website is trying to mimic Amazon by selling from 3rd parties so yes, Proto is on their website. They even have SK Tools but it says sold by JB Tool Sales, CPO Outlets, etc.
 
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3baygarage said:
Walmart online is strange

well... therein may lie the answer: I never can manage to actually get to their website. probably my browser settings.
I'm going only by what I see on "Google shopping".

next one of them I hit like that I'll post it here.

thanks!
 

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1) minimum or starting bid means nothing - I list 99% of my stuff starting at $0.01 because it sells for what it is worth.
2) I have been fortunate to buy Proto stuff NIB from a close out supply previously for a 5th of what it sells for - but that was probably a one time deal


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I sell stuff on ebay from time to time and always like to start all my auctions really low to encourage bidding. I love to watch the bidding. Sometimes the items go for a lot less than I had expected, but I figured I wasn't using them anyway, so why not let a few folks get a deal sometimes?
 

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My guess is when you buy in bulk, they're dirt cheap. Realistically how much does a socket cost to make? Maybe $1 when making hundreds at a time? That's another topic.

Here's an example of a bulk buy from eBay. Realize it would be much cheaper from a direct supplier, but just to get the idea... The auction is for 12 - 1/2" drive 5/8" 8 point impact sockets. Let's say he accepts a $50 offer (maybe even less), plus $13.45 shipping for a total of $63.45. Divide that by 12 and you get $5.28 a socket. Grainger, for example, sells them for $14.27 each. Average price I've seen online is about $15 each with shipping included. So, someone buys them in bulk like this, then the he does this for hundreds of different sockets, with a mark up of $2, $3, $5 at a time. Eventually it all adds up. A lot of professional eBay sellers are looking to make a quick buck, rather than a huge profit. That takes too much time. They want to move inventory as fast as possible while still making a profit. You don't win games by hitting grand slams, you win with the hits.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOT-12-NEW-...208175?hash=item58d2b5222f:g:n0AAAOSwgjhWbxPO
https://www.google.com/shopping/pro...HymMKHX1TBMcQ2SsIBw&ei=dYwoV6-OCYeUjwP9ppG4DA
 

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You need to show us some examples of what you are talking about. Who and where on eBay? What specific socket sets? Do the sets in question only have sockets, or do they have a case with drive tools included?
 

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well... therein may lie the answer: I never can manage to actually get to their website. probably my browser settings.
I'm going only by what I see on "Google shopping".

next one of them I hit like that I'll post it here.

thanks!

I've bought several things from Walmart.com; they're pretty good. The prices can be very competitive, and sometimes the cheapest, and shipping to the store that you select is free. For example, I bought some Goodyear tires from them, and they were the cheapest of anywhere that I looked (and trusted). The tires were delivered to the store in a few days, and they came from a local distributor.

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You need to show us some examples of what you are talking about. Who and where on eBay? What specific socket sets? Do the sets in question only have sockets, or do they have a case with drive tools included?

I'm with you on this. Talk is cheap, best show us examples of this.
 

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I'd guess it's old stock from some larger companies. Sometimes large companies don't advertise certain products very well, or they miss their target audience (like carrying lots of 1/4" drive tools at a semi truck tool company) so they sell them at deep discount to a reseller to just get rid of them. This is especially likely if they are coming out with a new generation, or changing part numbers or something.
 

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I would pay more attention to the price something actually sold for, not what the minimum bid/starting bid/reserve is...

When I was looking for a deal on my Proto ratchet wrench set, there was an eBay seller listing brand new sets for like 60 dollars on a set with an ~800 Msrp (I think) that zoro was selling for around 500...

That's an incredible deal, right... The price would slowly creep from that $60 to around 100-150 on the last day of the auction, and in the last 5 minutes there was always a bot-bidding war, and the auction would end at over $400, plus the $50 shipping charge. I watched about 4 auctions.

The final auction I tried to bid on, happened to end on cyber Monday, so I watched and placed bids, but as soon as it hit the $350 mark, I stopped bidding, went to zoro and used the 30% off code... I Paid 400 tax/shipped from zoro and watched that auction end at around 425 plus $50 shipping.
 

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Maybe what you are seeing is a deceptive ad wherein some POS tool from some no-name manufacturer is advertised as "Proto style" or "Proto type" ratchet or whatever. What the ad actually means is that the item just "looks" like a Proto tool, not that is actually a Proto tool.
 

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No he's right. Just go to eBay and type in "Proto sockets" and quite a few listings will pop up for multiple sockets for $10 or less.
 

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$9.50 + $6.80 shipping? These must be super old stock. Notice the side holes for the socket retention. They probably don't have flank drive either.

ebay
 

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I tend to not to care why a quality item is being sold cheaply. In fact, I like good deals. I'm puzzled with the Ebay listing of a single Stanley run of the mill screwdriver with a Buy it Now price of $732.34. That's American dollars. Explain that one to me, it costs money to list an item on Ebay doesn't it? Or does it have to sell? Nevermind, don't anybody waste their time answering because I don't care.
 

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It has been covered… but what an item is currently at or listed in an auction is meaningless. Not to mention the higher the initial price, the more eBay typically charges for "insertion" (fees). So if you know you have an item that'll sell, might as well list it a $0.99. Granted there is some risk, not ethical… but I wouldn't be surprised if certain sellers have "friends" or other accounts to outbid if the item is stagnate.

Typically on desirable items, "Actual" bidding happens in the last hours… if not seconds. I've lost a few auctions that way. OTOH, I don't understand people you bid early on… they almost always get outbid at the end. Now I try to throw my highest offer in the final seconds of the auction and see what happens.

Go on eBay, search for something your interested in and in the search refine, check off "Sold"… it'll show all the listings that actually sold and their price. That's how I determine the "going" rate on eBay for items. Same when I want to sell something.
 

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Ebay is more of a mystery these days than trying to navigate Sears.com :lol:

There's no guessing where the stuff comes from or what it goes for in the end. Sometimes it's all about being on Ebay at the right time :dunno:

Let us not forget the dude that stole at least a couple of large snap on tool sets from their warehouse and piecemealed them out on Ebay. Theft happens and it's always buyer beware in Ebayland:lol:
 

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What stuff goes for is not a mystery… check recent sold listings. I will agree that timing plays a big factor on items. Those that end at odd times of the day… people miss out I think (either sleeping, at work, etc..).

I was hunting for a new SO ratcheting screwdriver… seems recently they were selling at or way above the cost off SO's site. Makes no-sense, who pays more for a tool on eBay than from the vendor. Ignorance I think. Pissed me off, as a lost a bunch of auctions. Ended up just getting it from SO… screw profiting eBay and the seller.
 
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