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Pull box for underground run

kaiser715

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Long story, I will try and make it brief. This project needs to be by the book, it will be inspected (permit already pulled).

Running 425' to my shop from the house. Using 4/0-4/0-2/0-4 MHF. Was planning on PVC conduit into the ground, then direct burial.

We cut the trench today. Ran into way more brownstone rock than we anticipated for over half the distance. This rock, although soft, breaks into sharp/jagged edges and lots of debris lines the trench. Therefore, looks like I need to run conduit for the distance. (A few inches of sand above and below the cable would work, but we pretty well have the road totally blocked with excavation spoils (80k excavator with 36" bucket was the only thing I had that would break thru the brownstone, trencher and backhoe were futile).

I need to break the cable run in half. That is one heck of a long pull, and I will have over 360 degrees of bends in a single run. I thought I'd use a ground box, but they are $$, and where it would sit catches runoff and it would always be full of water (along with the normal snakes).

What I am thinking is to use a post mounted weatherproof junction box, with the conduit turning up into the box. No splice, just a loop. Much cheaper than a handhole.

Like this: https://www.homedepot.com/p/WIEGMAN...of-Screw-Cover-Wall-Mount-RSC121504/303013782

I couldn't find an exact pic, but these will give y'all an idea... Mounted on posts and crossbars, like this (right hand drawing):

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Sort of like this, but bigger box, bigger conduit, bigger wire:

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Most of the wiring path runs down my access road to the shop. Just past the halfway point, it turns off into the woods away from the driveway. If I put the pull box here, it is out of the way and clear of any traffic being able to contact it.

Good solution?? Meet code? (we are under 2017). (I got a couple of other questions for the inspector before I get him out here...but figured I'd do the obvious and ask the Internet first).
 
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larry4406

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I recently went thru this brain damage as well.

I originally thought of a pull box. In the end, I sunk 4x4 PT posts and mounted a junction box with 2" conduit in and out. You could also decide to use a Nema 3R panel instead of a junction box. Would give you ability to easily place outlets there.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7981693&postcount=12
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8045618&postcount=52
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=426420
 

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I'm not an electrician, but I did buy the detailed electrical book when I was doing my garage. Once the key notes on your situation is the size of the box. I believe the spec is about 6 times the diameter of the conduit entering the box. It also depends on the total number of conduits entering the box. There is a specific formula to meet code....

I installed a pull box below my electrical panel and I ended up with an 18 inch square box due to the 6 - 2" conduits entering my box.

You will also need the box large enough for the minimum bend radius of the wire. and separation between the conduits to meet the bend radius for the loop.

I don't have the book here, or I would look it up for you.....

Otherwise, I think your plan is reasonable.... I would probably do the same in your situation..... Perhaps include a spare conduit while you have the trench open......
 

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No issues with that plan other than sizing the pull box appropriately, as mentioned above. I also don't see you mention PVC size. You need to make sure that's sized right for wire size (with some consideration for that extremely long length).
 

Aceman

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I'd probably use something like this if you wanted the wire up a little higher:

https://www.platt.com/platt-electri...tle-Precast/12201195/product.aspx?zpid=742794

You're not going to beat the price by the time you install a post, box, assemble the conduit, etc. Plus it's easier to pull in/out of a handhole than a box elevated off the ground by a few feet.

Personally, I'd lean towards a regular handhole without the lid extension I posted just for a cleaner flush with grade look. The wire and conduit aren't going to care that their underwater, it's rated for it. You'll never need to open the thing ever again if you do it right.

If you can handle it have you looked at the roll conduit preinstalled with the cable?

Like Pattenp said, this is definitely the cleanest, but it's a specialty item we usually source at an irrigation supply house and you need the equipment to handle the 96" diameter reels.
 
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larry4406

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Yes check the pull box size. I apparently was a bad guy and my junction box is undersized. It did pass inspection for what it’s worth.

Over sizing the conduit for ease of pull then oversizes the pull box accordingly from what I learned.
 
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kaiser715

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Good news, i think...

After we broke the excavator on a rock today (waiting now for a welder to come out and put the tooth plate back on) and killing a backhoe tire (tore the bead) and a few other failures, I got into the trench and started working to see how it would clean up. Lots of rocks about golfball to football size. Chunked them out, and started working the bottom of the trench (softer dirt and rocks broken up with the bucket teeth) with a weeding rake. It actually worked pretty good to bring up the rocks and push them off to the side. Ran back over it with a garden rake, and then stomped it down good. Smooth, level surface that won't cause any problem with direct bury, and I won't have to mess with conduit for the run, except I will sleeve it under the high-traffic part of the driveway. Probably going to get a load of sand and get my nephews over here toting buckets to cover the first few inches over the cable. They need a character building experience. ;)

Backfill is going to be a problem. It's about 1/3 rock, up about 18" cubes. Can't just push it in, will have a lot of hand-shoving.

Weeding rake like I used to separate out the rocks, FWIW:

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man, Id put it in conduit... Just crazy not to.

Here is a pull box...polymer or concrete (or a combo)... do a google search for concrete pull box.


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Just run the conduit into a 90 elbow up into the box...then back down in a 90. Just a loop of wire. No need for anything above grade. no fittings, no posts, no sealed boxes. Super easy, people get all freaked out....


My neighbors ****** contractor just did cable in the ground...he has replaced his well line AND his house main.
 
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