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Pulling poly tube well pump

Walkers

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I need to pull the pump on a well that has Poly tubing instead of the more common threaded PVC. I would like to use my forklift, which goes to around 20’. The first pull is easy, as you use the threaded plug on top. Then when I let the forks down I will need to reset and pull again. I am unsure of the best way to re-attach to make the next pull. Maybe use nylon rope with a rolling hitch is the best way I can think of.

Does anyone have any better ideas, or tried and true methods?

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That's a lot of water weight. Might be able to buil a tripod or something to secure the pipe to. Lift it and slide a triple half hitch down the pipe secured with a clamp to keep the bottom of the half hitch. from sliding up. We did similar with a 125' pipe.
 

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What I forgot to mention is that it is 400’ deep and IIRC 1 1/4 tube, which makes the weight a bit unmanageable.

If I did the math right, that's about 3.5cf of water, about 220lbs.

See If you've got a safety rope on the pump that you can pull.

Obviously get as much water out as possible, maybe shove another capped pipe down it to displace the water and/or blow it out with compressed air. Doubt if its one continuous pipe so you'll have couplings to go through.

Had my well pump replaced several years ago and the well guy pulled it up by himself, think it was about 180'. A ****** had rusted out at the pump so the pipe self drained.
 

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Take your time, monitor any resistance/strain and stop immediately. The sections of Poly can and WILL separate at the connectors, I KNOW all too well. If it does not have a safety line, I'd invest in some 1/4 " steel cable before sending pump back down. The cost of cable pales to cost of a Well Service and God forbid a dropped pump or parted section.
 

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I'm not always good at descriptions.
Ref Clamp, it's an Irwin 11R with 2 pcs of 1/8' thick, 1 inch Angle Iron, 6" long. Welded to it is a Pipe Union. Union is split, and threads of Union serve to bite into the Poly and Hold it. Do some testing to make sure clamping force is sufficient. I can't over emphasize the need to have extra people on hand.
 

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What I forgot to mention is that it is 400’ deep and IIRC 1 1/4 tube, which makes the weight a bit unmanageable.
What is the depth to water in the well?

Can you blow compressed air through the tubing while you pull it to push the water so it's lighter?
 
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I do have the stopper to prevent it going back into the pipe. Most wells out here have actual pipe, so this one is a ba$tard being poly tube. Safety cable? Puhleazze, not a chance. They put this well in as cheap as humanly possible. So cheap that there is not 1” of extra wire. one-off the issues is a broken wire where it comes out of the well head.
I don’t really see a way to pump air in the tube because of the check valve at the pump.
Not a chance of a specialty puller here, just too rare, and also, due to well depth, most people are smart enough to hire it out. I’m not sure how I missed out on that gene.
I would consider putting in a cable for next time.
 

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Two hose clamps, tightened down side by side on the pipe. Then a plate with a slot sized right to fit over the well head and support the pipe by the clamps
 
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I do have the stopper to prevent it going back into the pipe. Most wells out here have actual pipe, so this one is a ba$tard being poly tube. Safety cable? Puhleazze, not a chance. They put this well in as cheap as humanly possible. So cheap that there is not 1” of extra wire. one-off the issues is a broken wire where it comes out of the well head.
I don’t really see a way to pump air in the tube because of the check valve at the pump.
Not a chance of a specialty puller here, just too rare, and also, due to well depth, most people are smart enough to hire it out. I’m not sure how I missed out on that gene.
I would consider putting in a cable for next time.
With a 400ft piece of air hose or even a long section of cheap cheap vinyl hose you would insert the thin pipe down the black poly and blow with compressed air. Your blowing into a blind hole and this would make the water come out the top.

My well is black poly but only 50ft deep so I can pull it my self by hand.
 
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With a 400ft piece of air hose or even a long section of cheap cheap vinyl hose you would insert the thin pipe down the black poly and blow with compressed air. Your blowing into a blind hole and this would make the water come out the top.

My well is black poly but only 50ft deep so I can pull it my self by hand.
Ahh, I hadn‘t thought of that method.
 

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All wells here have poly pipe but also have a yellow (poly) rope to lift with. You can pull it by yourself but would probably need someone walking the end out across the yard for you.
 

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When the plumber pulled mine on poly pipe, he had a frame with two wheelbarrow wheels (less tires) that acted as a guide. We threaded the pipe through the rollers and hitched his truck to the pipe and out it came.

That's basically how we've done a few poly wells, actually fabb'ed a few different guides depending on the location.
 

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I hate paying people to do stuff for me but this is one I'd pay to have done. He11, the weight of just the 400ft of pvc is way more than I would want to deal with.
 
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When the plumber pulled mine on poly pipe, he had a frame with two wheelbarrow wheels (less tires) that acted as a guide. We threaded the pipe through the rollers and hitched his truck to the pipe and out it came.
The biggest problem with that method, which I have considered, is getting the well head up and over the wheel to start it.
 

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All wells in my region are poly. I helped the guy at my last house (I wanted water back) - we did it by hand about 200 ft.
Way past service life here at my "new" house which is deeper @ approx 220 set in 280 total if docs are right.
Not looking forward to it and will prob pay someone (hopefully as a non-emergency) but hard to justify when working fine...

There are no "rescue" lines on either of mine but both are/were about the same vintage. Maybe it's a newer/better practice?
 

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A friend had a well pump die on him and it got me thinking. Did some searching on average pump life compared to the house at 22 years. Decided it was time to be proactive so I had the local company come and replace the pump. This like a lot of other things. Do you want to take a chance and hope to get X more time out of it or just replace it knowing you may be giving away some years of use? Kind of like my deal w/ car batteries - they get replaced at 5 years no matter what.
 

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get a large wooden spool and build a reel rack to hold it, set it up over the well, tie the rope to your forklift, use a nylon choker or two around the pipe attached to the lift. raise it up a few feet then back up, wen you get back a little ways let it down and keep backing up until someone watching sees the pump then pull it by hand.
 

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I helped a friend pull his 300‘ something Polly line by hand a few weeks ago. It was not fun just two of us and his kid at the end. Had to take turns Pulling was not fun.
 

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What I forgot to mention is that it is 400’ deep and IIRC 1 1/4 tube, which makes the weight a bit unmanageable.
I was gonna ask "how deep". My brother did this, but he used a crain truck. Perhaps a fork lift could be rigged up , but I'd want some sort of gantry over it / fail safe.

Recently the well drillers were asking $5k to pull a 500' well pump... Nuts.
 

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I was gonna ask "how deep". My brother did this, but he used a crain truck. Perhaps a fork lift could be rigged up , but I'd want some sort of gantry over it / fail safe.

Recently the well drillers were asking $5k to pull a 500' well pump... Nuts.
Some rental places will have well pulling rigs for rent. There prety portable. And if not I'm sure I can rent s forklift for half that $5k
 

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Same idea as captaindiode.

Did it twice for 490' well. Poly piping was very common for us in northern VA.
1st time, holiday weekend. Plumber friend was out of town. Called his brother who provided troubleshooting advice and then described what to do over the phone as he was also departing for holiday.

Built a simple frame with four 2 x 6s, forming 2 big X with 2 x 4s across at base to join them, sort of like a table base.

Used a section of pipe to span across the X to serve as an axle, by boring a hole at junction of each X slightly over pipe diameter. Pipe was about 4-5 ft above top of well casing.

Put an old wheel, sans tire, on the pipe to serve as roller. Used two plywood squares bolted to the sides of wheel with hole bored to pipe diameter to prevent wheel from wobbling and serve as a roller.

X-frame is intended to facilitate pulling poly pipe without kinking it by maintaining decent bend radius.

Disconnected power cable connection at wellhead.

Made a T-handle from threaded pipe to fit to pitless adapter. 1" I think for mine.

Thread it in and pull it up. The T-handle should keep it from dropping further into the well.

This was the key point my plumber friend's brother relayed: Remember that the majority of the piping and pump and power cable are submerged so it really doesn't weigh as much dry. Buoyancy and all. One person to grip and one to pull should be all it takes.

I was able to lift it up myself (average out of shape 40 yr old strength) and with wifely unit's assistance, feed it up and over the roller.

Once there, wife and daughter pulled the T and pipe and cable out over the lawn as I fed it up and over the roller. Snaked 494 feet of piping, cable, and rope over front and side lawn. Don't allow it to kink. Replaced pump. Installed tie-wraps to replace electrical tape that was used at intervals to tie off cable and pull rope to piping. Exercised care when lowering back into well (but failed to notice a couple sections of electrical tape wrapped on cable alone).

About 10 years later, had to do it again when trouble shooting found an open in the power cable (found to be at one of the previously noted electrical tape wraps). Replaced 499 ft of electric cable. Salvaged a good portion of the old cable to serve as a long, long extension cord for 240v air compressor.

Used lawn tractor to pull as daughter was absent.

Lessons learned:
-It was not as difficult as I expected, though it had to be the hottest day of a long holiday weekend.
-It was much easier the second time.
-Wear gloves to help grip.
-Inspect everything closely (or replace if you can afford to) since you've pulled it out, before it goes back in.
-Look at installing a torque taker near pump. Mine did not have one and my friend speculated that was cause of second failure.
-Exercise caution with the cable when pulling/lowering so cable insulation does not get cut on well head. Some sort of funnel type thingy at the top of the wellhead to prevent chafe would be advised. I'm sure the pros have thing. I just used some rubber sheeting and duct tape.
-Don't kink the poly pipe.
-Always replace the nylon pull rope.
-Inspect and clean the pitless adapter threads and use thread lube.
-Bleach the living dogsh*t out of your well when done to disinfect it after dragging 490 ft of pipe, cable, and rope across the lawn containing canine landmines. I used at least 2 gallons based on some calculation, and flushed from a hose back into wellhead for awhile.
-Flush the house water system for a long while afterward to clear all of the mud, rust, bleach.
-Tell wife to not run laundry til all the flushing is done. Ask me how I know.

Not understanding your exact configuration, YMMV, however, I saved myself a ton of $$$ by DIY. One quote by an emergency plumber to do the work 3 days later was over $2K, parts not included. My buddy said he'd have priced it the same for others, but just some Crown Royal from me.

Best of luck!
 
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