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Pump house heat lamp 12 volt

KentheMailman

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I am getting ready to build a pump house for my new solar powered water well. No electrical outlet, so I am looking for a 12 volt incandescent light fixture for minimal heat this winter (East Texas) to run off my 12 volt deep cycle batteries. Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks.
 
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Watts are watts, so a lightbulb is the same efficiency as a heater. However, it may be better to target the heat as at just what needs to be kept warm. A couple of cold clouds days may do a number on your solar/battery system. The heat tape and some insulation are a great suggestion.
 

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I don't get it. Up north we don't usually have anything to heat associated with the well, sometimes the old well pits will need a heat lamp in -10 or -20 degree weather that last more than 2 or 3 days but your in texas. It doesn't get that cold there for any length of time.
 

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Watts are watts, so a lightbulb is the same efficiency as a heater.
No, a lightbulb is not a 100% efficient heater, though it converts almost all its electricity into a combination of heat and light. While an incandescent bulb converts about 90% of its energy to heat, and an LED bulb converts a higher percentage to light, a dedicated electric heater is far more practical for heating because it directs the heat where it's needed without the unnecessary and often undesirable lig
 

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No, a lightbulb is not a 100% efficient heater, though it converts almost all its electricity into a combination of heat and light. While an incandescent bulb converts about 90% of its energy to heat, and an LED bulb converts a higher percentage to light, a dedicated electric heater is far more practical for heating because it directs the heat where it's needed without the unnecessary and often undesirable lig
What do you think happens to that light when it hits the walls of the pump house? It all turns to heat. I agree that heat tape that directs the heat to what actually needs to be heated is a better option. But otherwise it doesn't really mater what you use, an electric motor, a laptop, a DVD player, all the watts in end up as heat.
 

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How many watts of heat do you want?

Consider getting one of the old fashion glass head lights used on every car before the mid 80s

About 40 watts or so connect them up with a thermostat so they only run when it is cold.

I guess any assembly from the junk yard would work.

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heat tape and insulation for sure.

Heating the air is uneccessary and wasteful, especially given that you have a limited amount of battery power available. Most folks don't realize just how much power incandesent lamps require. Consider a typical deep cycle battery at 75 amp hours and a 40 watt light bulb/heater. Your total battery capacity is roughly 75ah * 12v = 900 watt hours. 40 watt bulb would last 22h, or less than a day if it is cold enough to run the entire time and you have very little sun. And thats not even including any actual well pump load. Most of that power would go into the air, and rise to heat the roof. Heat tape to the pipe with insulation around it would be vastly superior.
 

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And all this time I thought an 80% efficient electric motor turned 80% of the watts into mechanical energy.
Conservation of energy is a thing in physics. While we may not agree with the laws of physics, we do have to obey them.

All the electrical energy that goes into the motor needs to go somewhere, unless there is a drive shaft sticking out the side of the pump house, then that somewhere is heat. Unless you can think of other places that the energy goes?
 

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And while I was being facetious with the motor/laptop/DVD suggestion, I did run into this. Our lab doesn't allow space heaters in offices, probably for good reason. An older colleague was perputually cold in his office, so he went to the IT surplus pile and picked up a couple of old intel Xeon servers at 700W each. He ran these in his office calculating pi to 10^9 digits or something like that. It was totally useless work, but it kept his office nice an toasty, and it wasn't a space heater.
 

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Conservation of energy is a thing in physics. While we may not agree with the laws of physics, we do have to obey them.

All the electrical energy that goes into the motor needs to go somewhere, unless there is a drive shaft sticking out the side of the pump house, then that somewhere is heat. Unless you can think of other places that the energy goes?
I hadn’t considered the case of a motor consuming energy and not providing any mechanical effort. Although I work with some folks that fit that bill.
 

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Not quite. Majority of those watts are converted to light and then some of it, heat

A heater doesn't output light so more watts go to heat.
Incandescent bulbs turn about 10% of their input into visible light, the rest is infrared. But in a closed space, the light is eventually absorbed by something, which produces heat.
 

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Not quite. Majority of those watts are converted to light and then some of it, heat

A heater doesn't output light so more watts go to heat.

In terms of heating the pump house a heater and a light bulb are equally efficient. With a light bulb some of the energy is converted to light, but as soon as the light hits anything in the pump house, it is converted to heat, so the overall efficiency is the same. It is no different to a radiant heater, just that the wavelength of the emitted radiation is a little shorter. All the watts end up heating the pump house.
 
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I am getting ready to build a pump house for my new solar powered water well. No electrical outlet, so I am looking for a 12 volt incandescent light fixture for minimal heat this winter (East Texas) to run off my 12 volt deep cycle batteries. Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks.
In northern IL yrs ago we use to use a 100 watt HD bulb in our cement well pit.
Size was 5x5 and probably 6 ft tall and probably 18 inch’s above ground.
Worked fine for yrs and we sold it!!
 
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