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buffalobill

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Are drill bits designed to be expendable? or is it just the cheap bits that i buy? I have had dewalt bits, ace, whoever makes them, vermont american, craftsman, and various other brands that are common at hardware stores. Is there a higher level of quality somewhere that i am not seeing? its mainly just small bits, 3/8 and under. I swear every other time i look at my 1/8 drill bit it breaks out of fear....
 
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I've resigned myself to just buying the bulk packs of the small bits. That way when they break from a dirty look I can just grab another one and continue on. I wander around my Tractor Supply Store on a regular basis and every now and again they have a box of like 120 bits for $20.
 

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I've been pretty impressed with the DeWalt bits, I'm surprised they didn't work good for you. Still ChiCom made but they seem to work better. There are some quality U.S. made bits out there, that are geared more towards machinists and industrial use, but be prepared to dish out the doe...you get what you pay for.
 

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cheaper bits i tend to keep alive a bit longer by actually lubricating what I'm trying to go through... if its possible. otherwise they all blow apart for me as well
 

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Guhring

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Greenfield, Kennametal, and Cman cobalt. Ill spend extra for good bits, I've had to many bad experiances with bad/cheap ones. That said bits are a consumable.
 

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Look at an industrial supply place for high speed steel bits. They will be affordable and more reliable then something from a big box store plus have every size, fractional, numbered and lettered.
 

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I buy bulk packs from my local nut and bolt place. I think Nitro is the brand name. They seem to last pretty fair, but I go through 1/8" bits like candy drilling pilot holes for spot welds.
 

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Yes, good drill bits exist, but no, you generally won't find them at your average hardware store.

Some stuff to keep in mind:

1) Drill bits, like any cutting tool, get dull. Even the best bit in the world doesn't last forever, and needs to be resharpened periodically. Either learn to freehand sharpen (it's not hard to do, but tricky to learn) or invest in a Drill Doctor, Lisle, or Darex sharpener.

2) Hardware store drill bits are cheap, and intended for Sally Homeowner to drill through drywall or maybe a particle board bookcase. The words "Cobalt", "Titanium", "Lazer" or whatever, are essentially meaningless buzzwords. Cobalt does little or nothing unless there's a significant amount- as in 6% to 8%- and most hardware store "cobalt" bits have less than 1%, often less than .1%. The titanium is that gold coating, and it's literally only a few molecules thick. It does nothing for hardness or edge keeping, it only makes the metal "slicker" and less likely to weld a chip. And you, with a hand drill, typically can't push a drill hard enough to weld a chip anyway.

3) Drills will last nearly forever if you turn them the right speed and lubricate them properly. There's no one proper speed- it depends on the material you're drilling- and there's no one miracle oil. Again, it depends on what you're drilling. Wood is drilled fast and dry, aluminum is drilled sorta-fast and with a thin, cooling lube, steel is drilled slowish with a thick pressure-resistant lube.

4) If a drill is even marginally dull, and you try to drill something tough- like mild steel- you're wasting your time. Again, learn to sharpen or buy a Drill Doctor. (Which is marginally effective, but better than nothing.)

5) Carbide drills are worthless unless you have a rigid drill press or a milling machine. If you try to hand drill, you will chip or break it. Don't waste your money.

6) There is very little on your average car that a good, plain, sharp HSS (high speed steel) drill bit, turned and lubed properly, can't drill. If you're having trouble with a plain drill bit, those fancy high-zoot "titanium" drills won't help you. Learn the technique.

7)Yes, drills vary in quality. Invest in a basic set of good quality American drills from a supplier like MSC or McMaster. You don't need the 118-piece set, just spring for the major fractions to start with- 1/8", 3/16", 1/4", 3/8", etc.

8) Drilling is an art or skill just like welding, painting a car or rebuilding a transmission. There's proper techniques, things to know, proper setup, the right equipment. Just because you own a drill doesn't mean you know how to use it, any more than owning a MIG makes you a weldor.

Doc.
 

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I really like my millwaukee set that I got from Home depot. I think I paid just under 100 for a small set. I also had an issue finding decent bits, but this set has lasted me the longest. Here at work, we use Triumph bits, and they are very very good bits. If I could afford a full set for home, thats what I would have!
 

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DocsMachine, Thanks for your notes. They seem like some great guidelines I'll try to keep in mind. I love it when someone can help us dispel a lot of the "marketing" information out there.
 

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Thank you Doc, one of the better writeups. Though Doc may be new here, by post count, he is well known and respected on the machining forums. Listen Grasshopper.

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Get a used sharpener on the web (CList or eBay), and buy inexpensive bits. When they wear short from long-term use, pitch them and buy a few more. Smaller sizes I buy in bulk and use as expendables.

Unless you have a machine shop or drill extensively every day, I can't see a drill bit being sharpened enough times to become too short. Sharpener (or hand sharpen; there are many good resources on the web) is the way to go.
 

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I would like to thank Doc also for his write up. May I also suggest trying CRYOBIT, give them a try yal!
 
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Just an FYI...Amazon is doing a Daily Deal today at 8 PM Central time on a 18-piece titanium bit set for drilling into metal, wood, and plastic...Probably not a bad set for the daily deal price they'll have it at.
 

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By far the best drill bits I've ever used were UZ.Shop I worked at got 'em thru State Chemical in Cleveland.Pretty expensive,but worth it.
 

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I won these NOS USA B&D Pilot Points in ebay. I was surprised at how good these are. Sad that B&D don't make drill bits like they use to anymore.

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Some serious bits here ... been a happy camper ever since I got hold of this particular set for use on metal working.

Shorter length has advantages when drilling metal. The shanks too are not round thus the drill chuck bites better.

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I have the same set. They are great drill bits, plus they are US made.
 

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Are drill bits designed to be expendable? or is it just the cheap bits that i buy? I have had dewalt bits, ace, whoever makes them, vermont american, craftsman, and various other brands that are common at hardware stores. Is there a higher level of quality somewhere that i am not seeing? its mainly just small bits, 3/8 and under. I swear every other time i look at my 1/8 drill bit it breaks out of fear....

Bits, like screwdrivers, utility blades, and saw blades, are not really designed to last a lifetime. They are those type tools that you will have to replace from time to time. I have always considered these tools disposable.

How you use them can really affect how much use you get out of them. Heat gerated by highspeed friction can ruin any tool.
 

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Afraid those aren't easily available here, however I did find a set of DeWalt Pilot Points that were made in Germany at my local Lowes. Seemed like old stock that was being replaced by Chinese stock. The German ones did look noticeably better, so I bought one of the two remaining packages for posterity.

Haven't had a need for them just yet, but they did look much nicer than their Chinese counterparts.
 

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Yes, over here, they're Chinese now. Mine are not marked on the actual bit itself. Simply said "Contents Made in Germany and China" on the package. I assume the Chinese part was the plastic case. The newer sets that were marked simply "Made in China" on the package were duller in color (not as gold, almost a bronzish color) and the machining was visibly rougher.

They look identical to yours in every other respect, but the marking. Buy them up while you can.
 
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Of course, what you're using your drill bits for matters. How you use the bits matters, too. I have found that the life of a bit depends on having a good set of files and knowledge to "re-sharpen" them. Or, as I've said, the "Drill Doctor" really works, in my humble experience.
In fact, I've bought new drill bits, and immediately sharpened them with the drill doctor.... MUCH sharper then they were brand new! (Don't worry, friends, I wasn't buying top of the line bits). Anyhow, I've been beyond impressed with the drill doctor. Of course, the only reason I have the Drill Doctor is because I "temporarily borrowed it from dad."
Anyhow, I'm now an addict of buying great old bits that can easily be "brought back to life.'
Anyhow, just a thought.
cheers,
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Are drill bits designed to be expendable? or is it just the cheap bits that i buy? I have had dewalt bits, ace, whoever makes them, vermont american, craftsman, and various other brands that are common at hardware stores. Is there a higher level of quality somewhere that i am not seeing? its mainly just small bits, 3/8 and under. I swear every other time i look at my 1/8 drill bit it breaks out of fear....
 

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Are drill bits designed to be expendable? or is it just the cheap bits that i buy? I have had dewalt bits, ace, whoever makes them, vermont american, craftsman, and various other brands that are common at hardware stores. Is there a higher level of quality somewhere that i am not seeing? its mainly just small bits, 3/8 and under. I swear every other time i look at my 1/8 drill bit it breaks out of fear....

I would not say "expendable", but they are definitely classed as a consumable as most cutting tools are...

As has been said a few times in this thread, proper use is critical/ I bought a fairly decent fractional index set 30-35 years ago, added a set of numbered bits later, and have any number of loose bits picked up here and there over the years.

When the get dull, I sharpen them, when they break or I lose one, I replace them. I haven't had to replace that many other than those that simply disappeared.

The keys are correct speeds and feeds, the proper lube/coolant, and having a drill press can save a lot of breakage. I can only remember one breaking in the drill press (Hit a hard spot on **** bed rail angle iron) and only a few in a hand drill, (with the exception of the hex shanked drills, I've broken 3 or 4 stepping on the ****** things..)

But do get out of the big box stores, as they don't carry decent drill bits for reasons that doc, pointed out.
 

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I doubt you will find a better deal than this.

Norseman Super Premium drill bits

Thanks, Just ordered up this set, look forward to there arrival. I had purchased a set from Craftsmen that were total junk. The metal case the bits came in, once opened I couldn't even close. Made in China with every possible corner cut in production. As previous poster said, these bits were designed for drilling pilot holes in drywall 1/4" drywall..
 

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I'd locate a local industrial supply and purchase some quality HSS drill bits and learn to sharpen them yourself. If you invest in these, you'll have them for years excluding the rare breakage. Look for bits made in the USA, Britian or Brazil.
 
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Monte,

Afraid those aren't easily available here, however I did find a set of DeWalt Pilot Points that were made in Germany at my local Lowes. Seemed like old stock that was being replaced by Chinese stock. The German ones did look noticeably better, so I bought one of the two remaining packages for posterity.

Haven't had a need for them just yet, but they did look much nicer than their Chinese counterparts.

I think they were made in Germany around a decade ago, I have a few singles.
 
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