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Quality Drill Bits

SJJP

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Greetings. I wonder if someone can educate me a bit more about quality drill bits. I have recently learned the term "high speed steel" can mean several different alloys. In the US it tends to mean M2 which has 6% tungsten, 5% molybendum, 4% chromium and 2% vanadium. It can also mean T1 which means 18% tungsten, 4% chromium and 1% vanadium, though T1 is much less often used because of the relative expense of tungsten.

In China, unless otherwise indicated, "high speed steel" seems to be "4341" or "4241" meaning 4% tungsten, 2% or 3% molybendum, 4% chromium and 1% vanadium. They generally rely on the titanium nitride coating to make up for the inferiority of the steel alloy relative to M2.

M35 adds 5% cobalt and M42 adds 8% cobalt to the alloy to make bits more suited for drilling in hard metal.

To their credit, the Chinese manufacturers are at least honest about what alloy they use. It's like pulling teeth to get this info from the major brands.

There is also the question about how the bits are made, roll forged, edge ground or fully ground, the latter being the best. One question I have is whether one can visually distinguish between the processes. All bits I know to be roll forged seem to have a raised ridge above the flutes. They have also been black oxide bits, perhaps because black oxide is the least expensive coating.

Would love to hear what the machinists and metallurgists out there can add to help in choosing quality drill bits.

Thank you.
 
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larry_g

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When people get this deep into cutting tools then the material and the process also have to factor into the selection criteria.

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SJJP

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A well made drill bit is a well made drill bit, though of course using a bit made for wood on steel guarantees bit failure. I'm looking for an objective way to judge product quality. Reading reviews really isn't entirely helpful, for the reasons Larry indicates. Some of the 1 and 2 star reviews are undoubtedly from people who used the wrong bit for their material, drilled too fast or too slow, failed to use cutting oil, failed to keep the drill perfectly straight, etc. And then there are always the 5% or so cranks out there, who just like to complain even when the cheap product they bought doesn't perform like something 10x the price.

Almost all bits will do fine in pine wood, though I was surprised when my cheap brad point bits took twice as long to drill through a piece of wood as another standard twist bit did. Undoubtedly they weren't sharp to begin with or dulled with use. Keeping the bits sharp is a whole other discussion.

Any information which helps me spend my money and time wisely is worth learning. Both are in much too short supply.
 
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ez-duzit

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You start your very first post with

"Quality Drill Bits"

Then your 2nd and 4th paragraphs are about Chinese drill bits. Are you selling something?
 

nadogail

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Welcome to the Forum from the shore of San Diego Bay.

Because I am not a Machinist nor a Metallurgist, I buy what I believe to be quality tools from trusted suppliers
 
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