Quality Hard-Handle JIS Screwdrivers?

[dnschmidt]

I am shocked!!! Not that the standard may have changed but that TOPTUL actually responded to your question.

Does anybody know what the physical difference is between this new and the older standard. I've looked at both with a stereoscopic microscope really closely and they look absolutely identical to me. As I previously stated I've got the #2 with the DIN 5260 number on it and the #2 without the DIN number on it and they look exactly the same at 20 power.

Also, both of these came from a recent shipment from TOPTUL (about a month ago the boat hit Long Beach).

 

[dnschmidt]

Dave,

Just looked in the Wiha catalog and their Phillips are using the newer standard as well.

 

[dnschmidt]

Dave, according to the TOPTUL R&D group there is absolutely no difference between the two standards. Below is a direct quote from my sales rep at TOPTUL.

Hi, Dennis

Our RD team said "the DIN 5260 and the newer DIN ISO 8764-1 are technically the same".
Hopefully, this helps.

I further asked if any tooling change was made when the new standard was implemented and they responded NO.

So, from this I can only conclude that if DIN 5260 was JIS compatible then DIN ISO 8764-1 must also be compatible. If TOPTUL is using the same tooling to make DIN 5260 screwdrivers as they are DIN ISO 8764-1 screwdrivers, and that's a direct quote from their R&D group, They must be identical at least at TOPTUL. So in TOPTUL's case, and I assume the other manufacturers as well that are currently at DIN ISO 8764-1, DIN ISO 8764-1 must be JIS compatible. What other conclusion can be drawn?

 

[iScream]

Hope you guys don't mind me bumping this.

I was just about to order some Vessel Megadora screwdrivers for working on my rice burner bike. But I started doing some searching and now I'm glad I did before placing an order.

So, it does look like DIN ISO 8764-1 and DIN 5260-PH both result in exactly the same screwdriver tip. I see a bunch of documentation from big name companies that mention a single screwdriver conforming to both standards.

But is there anything documenting the compatibility of these standards with the original JIS? In addition to the info dnschmidt posted from TOPTUL, I found a statement someone got from Vessel on this.

Vessel is making the 1/4" drive bits we carry to DIN Standard #5260. They are NOT true JIS per se. However, we have tested them extensively here and have determined that due to the tight corner radius on these bits (a key ingredient differentiating JIS from Phillips standards), they fit JIS fasteners that you will encounter perfectly

So, it looks like buying drivers that say they conform to either DIN ISO 8764 or DIN 5260 will work just fine on my bike. Does that seem right to everybody?

If this is true, there's an enormous selection out there of screwdrivers that should work on JIS rather than just something from Vessel or Hozan that specifically say JIS.

Now I'm trying to figure out to what standard my Wera Kraftform Plus screwdrivers conform.

Chris

 

[dede2897234]

Hope you guys don't mind me bumping this.

I was just about to order some Vessel Megadora screwdrivers for working on my rice burner bike. But I started doing some searching and now I'm glad I did before placing an order.

So, it does look like DIN ISO 8764-1 and DIN 5260-PH both result in exactly the same screwdriver tip. I see a bunch of documentation from big name companies that mention a single screwdriver conforming to both standards.

But is there anything documenting the compatibility of these standards with the original JIS? In addition to the info dnschmidt posted from TOPTUL, I found a statement someone got from Vessel on this.

Vessel is making the 1/4" drive bits we carry to DIN Standard #5260. They are NOT true JIS per se. However, we have tested them extensively here and have determined that due to the tight corner radius on these bits (a key ingredient differentiating JIS from Phillips standards), they fit JIS fasteners that you will encounter perfectly

So, it looks like buying drivers that say they conform to either DIN ISO 8764 or DIN 5260 will work just fine on my bike. Does that seem right to everybody?

If this is true, there's an enormous selection out there of screwdrivers that should work on JIS rather than just something from Vessel or Hozan that specifically say JIS.

Now I'm trying to figure out to what standard my Wera Kraftform Plus screwdrivers conform.

Chris

Chris,

The JIS standard has been defunct since 2008 as currently stated on the bottom of Vessel Tools' N.A. distributor here: LINK. DIN ISO 8764 and DIN 5260 are the successor standards to JIS.

To be on the safe side, I would purchase screwdrivers that are manufactured to the DIN 5260 standard to work on your Japanese motorcycle.


Dave

 

[BikerDad]

Chris,

The JIS standard has been defunct since 2008 as currently stated on the bottom of Vessel Tools' N.A. distributor here: LINK. DIN ISO 8764 and DIN 5260 are the successor standards to JIS.

To be on the safe side, I would purchase screwdrivers that are manufactured to the DIN 5260 standard to work on your Japanese motorcycle.

Dave

Actually, to be on the safe side, I would purchase screwdrivers that are manufactured to the standard in effect when your Japanese motorcycle was built. I have two Japanese motorcycles, one built in 2006, the other in 2008. Either the Vessel & Hozan JIS (I have both) drivers work fine with the DIN standard, or Yamaha had not switched over when they built my bike in February of 2008.