Quartz infrared?

[haroldmcabee]

Anybody using portable efficient heater for a 500+ garage?
While I been doing my floor I’ve borrowed a quartz infrared 1500w portable and it heated the garage with no problem with night temps that got done to around 28. But I also have thick insulation in ceiling and panels on doors. Thinking about buying one. Any thoughts or can someone tell me that uses them how much electric bill will go up? I live in Alabama so we rarely see single digit numbers.

 

[finn]

The quartz is just another variant of a plain old electric resistance heater, with the same efficiency and heat output.

Nothing magical about the various forms of resistance heat, except marketing.

 

[rlitman]

The quartz is just another variant of a plain old electric resistance heater, with the same efficiency and heat output.

Nothing magical about the various forms of resistance heat, except marketing.

Not quite. While quartz isn't any more efficient at heating the garage than any resistance heater, that's not where it shines. Quartz heaters emit a lot of radiant heat. I'd never consider heating my garage with my 1500 W quartz heater. But it warms me very nicely when I'm standing in front of it.

 

[Stuart in MN]

Any thoughts or can someone tell me that uses them how much electric bill will go up?

Take a look at your electric bill, somewhere on it they should say what you are paying per kilowatt-hour.

The heater is 1500 watts, or 1.5 kilowatts. You simply multiply that number times whatever you pay per kilowatt-hour times how many hours you run the heater.

The average price in the US is around 12 cents/kilowatt-hour, so we'll use that for an example (just change that amount to whatever you find on your electric bill). 1.5 kilowatts x 12 cents/kilowatt-hour = 18 cents/hour. If you run it for 8 hours, 8 x 18 = $1.44.

 

[haroldmcabee]

This brand I borrowed was a edenpure which suppose to be a top portable infrared heater. But yes I think Alabama is around 10-12$. I’ve noticed tonight when I walk in garage I turn it on and it heats on high for 20 min or so with temperature
Around freezing outside but garage seems to never go below 50. Anyway after it burns at 1500w for that time it switches really
Low and only comes on the the high heat every 20 min or so but doesn’t stay on on high long. Not sure but
I’m in garage for few hours every evening I’ll post back when bill arrives.

 

[Ole Slewfoot]

A kill a watt will take out the guesswork
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00009MDBU/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[haroldmcabee]

It might be a lil tricky to figure it out cause we on heat pump also. All electric. Maybe can look back at last years kw for December. That would probably tell the tell.

 

[PWC Repair]

I used to have a 4 bulb sun-twin heater, very similar to edenpure. It was fantastic and hardly noticeable on the electric bill. When my brother was still in the navy he bought a VERY old house in Virginia beach. Like an idiot he had nothing checked out. After spending money on fixing the whole roof he found out the old oil burners were inop and would cost a fortune to replace. My mom bought him 3 of those sun-twins and they did the whole 2 story house!

 

[American Locomotive]

Plug in electric heaters all throw out the exact same amount of heat. There is no "efficient" plug in heater - they are all exactly the same efficiency. That is to say, they are almost all 100% efficient. 1500 watts of electricity goes in, 1500 watts of heat comes out.

Some of the quartz "infrared" heaters will make you "feel" warmer as long as you within line-of-sight of the heater. No matter what type of plug in portable electric heater you get, they will all eventually heat the space up the same amount.

I used to have a 4 bulb sun-twin heater, very similar to edenpure. It was fantastic and hardly noticeable on the electric bill. When my brother was still in the navy he bought a VERY old house in Virginia beach. Like an idiot he had nothing checked out. After spending money on fixing the whole roof he found out the old oil burners were inop and would cost a fortune to replace. My mom bought him 3 of those sun-twins and they did the whole 2 story house!

Three of those "sun-twin" heaters would be 4.5KW of electricity. If all three heaters were on, it would cost roughly $1/hour to run them.

 

[PWC Repair]

Three of those "sun-twin" heaters would be 4.5KW of electricity. If all three heaters were on, it would cost roughly $1/hour to run them.

Not exactly........ the Sun twins had a very efficient heat exchanger plate with the bulbs facing up underneath it. Once initially warmed up the bulbs would come on and off thermostatically while a brushless fan continued blowing out the collected heat. They would give more useable heat for the dollar than any other design on the market back then. I would say the closest to 100% efficiency you could get.

 

[PWC Repair]

Just found this document. Mine was like the Solar Comfort model compared here. Check out that heat exchanger plate!

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/vacu...table-heater-comparison-against-eden-pure.pdf

 

[rlitman]

Not exactly........ the Sun twins had a very efficient heat exchanger plate with the bulbs facing up underneath it. Once initially warmed up the bulbs would come on and off thermostatically while a brushless fan continued blowing out the collected heat. They would give more useable heat for the dollar than any other design on the market back then. I would say the closest to 100% efficiency you could get.

You're missing the point. That thermostatic control only matters once the space is heated up. 4500W won't heat up that large of a space, so if I were to put that in my garage, it would run non-stop, and cost about 94 cent's per hour in my area.

Next, electric resistive heat is ALWAYS 100% efficient. It doesn't matter if it uses bulbs, elements, ceramic, wire, fans, quartz, heat exchangers or any sort of mumbo jumbo. Its all 100% efficient, in that all of the electrical energy going in (what you're billed for) is turned into heat.

Radiant heating is potentially more efficient, in that it has the ability to make you feel warmer than you would otherwise, standing in a space at the same temperature, but that only helps if you're in the radiant "beam". In the case of a hidden quartz element, all of that benefit is lost.

 

[Marctrees]

harold - Simply get two 1500 W CHEAP ...like sub $30 each portable plug in space heaters.. place in opposite corners to heat entire shop, or if you stay in a smaller area most of the time, place them accordingly.... a few examples below.

Even few bucks cheaper at local Wally World, Big box, etc.

Keep in mind.. they will each need to be plugged into their separate 20 amp shop ckts.

Spend the $60 total and you will have your problem solved.

Assuming you are pretty insulated and infiltration sealed.... in Alabama climate.

As others above have said... Do NOT fall for the marketing BS.

READ AGAIN what has been said above.

rlitman post # 12 explains clearly, and it is FACT.

MAY want to use small fan to move it around and fight the heat stratification.. but NOT blowing on YOU.

Marc

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_...ater&rh=n:2972638011,k:1500+milk+house+heater

 

[American Locomotive]

Not exactly........ the Sun twins had a very efficient heat exchanger plate with the bulbs facing up underneath it. Once initially warmed up the bulbs would come on and off thermostatically while a brushless fan continued blowing out the collected heat. They would give more useable heat for the dollar than any other design on the market back then. I would say the closest to 100% efficiency you could get.

It doesn't matter what it had. All plug-in, portable electric heaters are 100% efficient. All of the energy that goes into them gets converted into heat. Even if they have a fan, the energy the fan adds to the air will manifest as heat (think of how an air compressor gets hot).

Passive infrared heaters, quartz heaters, ceramic heaters, fan & coil heaters, electric oil radiators, etc... Does not matter. They all will ultimately heat a room the exact same way, all consuming the exact same amount of power. The only difference between them is marketing fluff. If you're actually tying to heat a room up, all portable plug in electric heaters will perform the same. There's no point in paying more than $20 for one.

 

[Marctrees]

AmLoco is right on.

Now, for OTHER applications than an Adult Shop... like in a home LR where Infants are crawling around, an oil filled type heater may be better.. Only cause of the lower temp for touching burn injury.

On the other hand, once a Kid burns his hand on a heat source, a growth maturing life lesson mission has been accomplished.

I go more w the latter idea.

Marc

 

[PugetDude]

You'll feel warmer standing directly in front of a quartz heater because it's radiating the heat directly on you instead of into the entire room. But as other have pointed out, there is no difference in efficiency in heating the entire space; resistance heat is resistance heat regardless of how it's generated. Go stand across the garage and see how warm you are when you get away from that glowing orange heater.

 

[Marctrees]

harold - Bottom line on what it will cost you to run them...

Two 1500w heaters = 3k watts.

If you pay 15 cents/ KWH... that will cost you 45 cents per hour total for the two when they are RUNNING.

Zero cents per hour when they are off.

You should be able to figure out from there.

Marc

 

[Marctrees]

I just looked at the Edenpure (OMG BS marketing to Idiots name) .

3-$400 for what can be done for $25.

Wow, sucker born every minute.

I would have been rich now rather than poor if I would have stooped to that kind of ****.

Like the My Pillow A hole in my home state that sells refuse shredded foam in a bag for $40.

It's ALL in the Spin.

Wow.

Marc

 

[PugetDude]

I would have been rich now rather than poor if I would have stooped to that kind of ****.

Like the My Pillow A hole in my home state that sells refuse shredded foam in a bag for $40.

Marc

Clearly you don't have an entrepreneurial spirit. But why the disdain for other who have built successful businesses?

While I don't like the feel of the mypillow, I have a lot of respect for what Mike Lindell has been able to build, the number of Minnesota residents he employs, and how he turned a simple idea into a multi-million dollar business-in a market most folks would consider saturated. What you consider an A-hole is the American dream personified.

 

[haroldmcabee]

Yes I agree with 1500 in. 1500 out. I could see a undersized electric heater that never cuts off costing a fortune. My garage ceiling insulation is full. Seems like 1 1500 I should be good so far. I found another heater like the one I borrowed for around 100 bucks. After using this one I’m actually liking these types of just for the reason having a nice thermostat and it rolls around easy in garage. Quiet and looks good also.

 

[Marctrees]

Clearly you don't have an entrepreneurial spirit. But why the disdain for other who have built successful businesses?

While I don't like the feel of the mypillow, I have a lot of respect for what Mike Lindell has been able to build, the number of Minnesota residents he employs, and how he turned a simple idea into a multi-million dollar business-in a market most folks would consider saturated. What you consider an A-hole is the American dream personified.

I have always respected you and your posts.

This one, REALLY gets under my skin.

I have had "an entrepreneurial spirit" ALL my life.

I was self employed the majority of my adult life.

I Quit the Elect Cont biz cause was competing new house bids against assholes that used back stab connections and EVERYTHING else.as minimal to NEC as possible to get away w it.

**** like a GFCI in a bathroom feeding exterior outlets.

UNLESS I have missed something MAJOR....

He sells SCRAP that is NO different than a $5 Wallmart shredded foam pillow ONLY BECAUSE he put a BS SPIN on it.

To me, myself,... I DO NOT feel that is honorable

It is NO different than the aforementioned Edenpure ********..

Just me.

What's next.. The *************** $$$$ ????

Howard Stern ????

ALLLL ASSHOLES, although Entrepreneur.

OK, Done.

You are a good guy, but that post really offends me.

Marc

 

[PugetDude]

I have always respected you and your posts.

This one, REALLY gets under my skin.

I have had "an entrepreneurial spirit" ALL my life.

I was self employed the majority of my adult life.

I Quit the Elect Cont biz cause was competing new house bids against assholes that used back stab connections and EVERYTHING else.as minimal to NEC as possible to get away w it.

**** like a GFCI in a bathroom feeding exterior outlets.

UNLESS I have missed something MAJOR....

He sells SCRAP that is NO different than a $5 Wallmart shredded foam pillow ONLY BECAUSE he put a BS SPIN on it.

To me, myself,... I DO NOT feel that is honorable

It is NO different than the aforementioned Edenpure ********..

Just me.

What's next.. The *************** $$$$ ????

Howard Stern ????

ALLLL ASSHOLES, although Entrepreneur.

OK, Done.

You are a good guy, but that post really offends me.

Marc

I think you may have missed something major. No way My Pillow could be stuffing their product with garbage; they'd have the FDA, CPSC, EPA, IRS and probably even the ASCPA breathing down their neck...He's offering a common sleep product that millions of people want to buy instead of the $5 Walmart version. Is it better? I don't know, I prefer a down pillow. What he's offering is not immoral, illegal, or dangerous, not really sure where your angst is coming from on this one. Comparing a guy selling pillows to a **** distributor or a foul-mouthed radio shock jock? C'mon, man, you are better than that.

I appreciate (and generally agree with) most of your posts.
Let's just agree to disagree on this one.

 

[u3b3rg33k]

AmLoco is right on.

Now, for OTHER applications than an Adult Shop... like in a home LR where Infants are crawling around, an oil filled type heater may be better.. Only cause of the lower temp for touching burn injury.

On the other hand, once a Kid burns his hand on a heat source, a growth maturing life lesson mission has been accomplished.

I go more w the latter idea.

Marc

Hey, I only grabbed a kerosene lantern by the glass ONE TIME! let's not make a big deal of it, OK?

 

[6768rogues]

American Locomotive is right. A 1500 Watt electric heater puts out about 5120 BTUs of heat, no matter what kind of heater it is. Radiant heaters aimed at you warm you up but they do not put out more heat. They only direct the heat where they are aimed.