question about ASE certified

[Deafautotech]

i am planning to take it soon as i am finish with IVY TECH college this semester. i have problems with ASE certified tests because i am on second language as the American Sign Language is my first language and second language is english. so when i am reading the ase questions that my teachers have it on classroom manuals as i am read and make it convert from english to ASL so i can understand more but most time i have problems to understands the enlish on ase questions.

i am will taking ASE certified for automatic transmission and Manual transmission/axles this may 2007. i am made myself a goal to complete the ase certified to be ASE master technician. but i am still want taking dealership training and certified for dealership while i am current working in dealership....

 

[wilbilt]

When I took my ASE tests and re-certs, they had translators available for people speaking different languages, etc., or otherwise had difficulty comprehending the test questions for legitimate reasons.

There may be a program for testing in ASL...it would be worth looking into.

 

[neblinc]

Explain the difference between ASL & English when it comes to reading & writing?
My parents are both deaf and my sister & I are both hearing.
Did you have ASL text books in school? I am not sure how they are teaching reading and writing now days but I know signing is a language of short sentances, but don't they still teach nouns and verbs when reading & writing?
I see that you are 20 years old, so you have not been out of school that long.
Just wondering if the education of the deaf has changed over the last 20 or 30 years.

Randy

 

[Canadian Charlie]

Sorry I don't know anyone who is deaf and I don't know how to sign, but from what I have read that you wrote you sound like a pretty smart person who can keep up with anyone with a wrench in thier hands. Just take your time doing your exams, I'm sure they might give you some extra time with it

 

[GearHead_1]

I sat through these 5 times certifying and re certifying. I saw people in place to help those with disabilities as well as alternate language issues. I also had one of my employees who just didn't read well take the tests. If my memory serves me correctly he had dyslexia. They allowed us to send one of his coworkers to read the questions to him. He passed his tests.

 

[MAD]

Here are some links for details to request a reader / translator for ASE testing

http://www.ase.com/Content/NavigationMenu/Service_Professionals1/Registration/How_to_Request_Reader_Translator_Assistance_Paper_Pencil_Testing/Reader_Translator_Assistance_-_Paper_Pencil_Testing.htm

the request form:

http://www.ase.com/Content/ContentGroups/Service_Professionals/Customer_Service_Forms/ASESpring2007RTRequestForm.pdf

Best of luck, I am certain you will do well.

 

[Deafautotech]

well i am 20 years old but i am working in automotive industry (independent shop for almost 3 years and chrysler and jeep dealership for 1 and half years and still work there). i did lot of heavy jobs as engine pull, transmission, and else. also i did lot of engine light to inspection where codes show the problems. i got it fixed most of times but few time i had to pass it to other tech as it is require that have certified to do the diagonis.

the different between hearing and asl in english and writing is hearing use lot of verbs and nouns. asl dont use much of nouns or verbs when do the signing. like what i will write "my name is Andrew Ruddy". as my signing is "my name andrew ruddy". it have missing the grammar. same what i read the question and it make me think the question from english to ASL words that mean miss the grammars... so i have to read the question few time before think what answers will be.

i graduated from ISD from 1987 to May 2004 then enrolling Ivy tech right after graduated from High school as may 22, 2004 until today as i am still in college....

 

[Canadian Charlie]

Sounds like you have alot of experience on automobiles. You took Auto Repair at Arsenal Tech High School for two years, and plan on becoming a master technician

 

[Canadian Charlie]

And you are on the Dean's list

 

[1320stang]

I also don't know anyone deaf and probably only know the signs that most hearing people know, which usually only require one hand.

Your spelling is quite good, I rarely see you misspelling a word, you might use the wrong 'version' of the word (forgive me, it's been over 20 years since high school and I forget the terms) but sometimes I do have trouble understanding what you write as I now understand you are apparently writing in ASL and not English, am I correct? Well, not so much understanding, but I might have to go back and read it again to make sure I'm understanding your statement or question correctly. One other question, do you read lips as well? I'm thinking that might be handy at a dealership where other people don't know ASL and greasy hands and a pad and paper usually don't go well together.

Again, I'm not being critical, I think you have a awesome shot at becoming the tech you want to be, but even though I learned English and not ASL, I still had to both speak, and write it. Do they not teach the English language as a written class in schools where there are deaf people? Because the written and spoken versions of English are the same, I can see how it might be difficult for a person using ASL to have to learn both as they're not structured the same. Again, please don't be offended, I'm not trying to belittle or make fun of you in any way, I think you're pretty smart and you've chosen an honorable profession that you can excell in and I'm hoping you do well, I'm just trying to learn.

Larry Hampton

 

[Deafautotech]

Canadian Charlie: yes you get both right answer as i am on dean's list twice and took 2 years at Arsenal Tech High school and i am top student and teacher's favorite student. i was told that my high school auto mech teacher said that i am great student and best mechanic that he ever teaching and help with me. he said i had problem with written test but still passed as medium score as like 75 to 90 percents depend on questions while have ASL interpreter with me all time while i am at Arsenal Tech high school. my teacher said my hand-on exams as all ACE grades. he said my hand-on skills are great than written tests.

while i am working at dealership, i always have paper pad and three or four pen in my work shirt. they just touch my shoulder to make me look to person that need talk with me with paper. but i already have two techs who learning the basic ASL.

 

[Deafautotech]

my Indiana school for the deaf are education of State of Indiana and my english and writing teachers are teaching the students with nouns and verbs same with hearing school but big problem is deaf students signing a lot than writing in school. that diffcult for students to make all writing to be right grammar and nouns like hearing school do. it is require take time to make students to make it to be habit to writing.

 

[eschoendorff]

Canadian Charlie: yes you get both right answer as i am on dean's list twice and took 2 years at Arsenal Tech High school and i am top student and teacher's favorite student. i was told that my high school auto mech teacher said that i am great student and best mechanic that he ever teaching and help with me. he said i had problem with written test but still passed as medium score as like 75 to 90 percents depend on questions while have ASL interpreter with me all time while i am at Arsenal Tech high school. my teacher said my hand-on exams as all ACE grades. he said my hand-on skills are great than written tests.

while i am working at dealership, i always have paper pad and three or four pen in my work shirt. they just touch my shoulder to make me look to person that need talk with me with paper. but i already have two techs who learning the basic ASL.

Damn, deaf, that is so cool!

 

[wilbilt]

I can understand how it would be difficult to learn the grammar when you are not accustomed to using it, and when you cannot hear it being spoken.

In my limited understanding of ASL, the signs often convey entire thoughts or phrases instead of just letters or words. It reminds me of what little I know about the Asian languages.
My niece is a Chinese Translator in the US Navy. She claims the language is "easy" to learn, once you have the benefit of listening to native speakers.

Without being able to hear the words, the grammar, and the inflection, I wonder how "easy" it would be.

Andrew, I think you are doing great.

 

[Deafautotech]

thank you for support the ideas and feedbacks. i am really glad that you gave ida and opinions about ase test. because i am never will give up my goal of being master technician because i am deaf. sometime i did convey the ase questions that my college give tests in classroom from english to asl so i can understand more clear. yes Ivy tech college's automotive program use ASE style test but not same with ASE certified exam that use today.

thanks. it help me a lot.

 

[Deafautotech]

Damn, deaf, that is so cool!

why it is cool? i am curious....

 

[Deafautotech]

the reason why i got lot of tools than other techs because i know how to fix right visit with right tools or use special tools. my dealership have lot of special tools but the problems is chrysler ship the newer models's special tools lso late because it need special tools to do the test that what service manual said to use.....

 

[eschoendorff]

why it is cool? i am curious....

I just think it is cool that you have a system worked out with other techs so that you can all communicate. Actually, it sounds like nothing can hold you back... and you are reaching your goals. Good for you!

 

[Deafautotech]

Eschoendorff: Thanks i am working with techs and they just like to learn basic sign language but i gave them a ASL manual that small but thick book that tell almost every sign language words that people find it is easy than use paper and pen.

 

[TNToy]

Currently, they let you take four tests at a time. Take four, even if you think you can only pass three.

The first time I went, I was certain I had failed two of them. Turns out I had passed all four, but those two were really close. You only need a score of around 60-65% to pass the test.

Either way, take as many as you can. Our shop foreman tried to get me to only take the two I knew I'd pass easily, but I insisted on taking four. Even if you fail, it's worth the experience because you'll have a very good idea how much you need to learn, and how the questions are worded. Almost everyone passes a test the second time through it.

They're really not that hard, and they're definitely worth having. It's tough to get into one of the higher-end foreign car dealerships in this part of the country without them, even if you have a lot of experience... They put a lost of stock into certification.

 

[neblinc]

Oh and Andrew, if you do a Google search on your name, you will find the interview you gave ; )

If you wondered how Canadian Charlie knew so much about you.

Randy

 

[OctaneMotorsports]

Oh and Andrew, if you do a Google search on your name, you will find the interview you gave ; )

Randy

Link? Or his name? I'd be curious to see that.

Andrew, my mom is a hearing teacher for deaf and hard-of-hearing students. If you lived closer, I'm sure she would be happy to help you out. And she's certainly qualified when they require no automotive knowledge for the translator...she almost dumped a whole jug of prestone antifreeze into the Chrysler 300C because she thought it was gas line antifreeze...luckily I stopped her JUST IN TIME, hahaha.

 

[OctaneMotorsports]

Found it - http://www.doe.state.in.us/exceptio...e/2006-09/INDEP Fall 06 Interview A Ruddy.pdf

Cool!

 

[Coach James]

My wife and I started teaching both our kids to sign when they were about 10 months old. That way they could ask or tell us things before they could speak. It also eliminated their need to cry to tell us things. We taught them to sign "More, drink, finished, please" and a few other things. When they got thirsty they would sign "drink" to us instead of fussing. Made life much more pleasant.

When I worked at a lumber yard, we had two deaf customers that would seek me out to help them. We communicated using pen and note pad. They liked me to help them because I was patient while they wrote things down for me to read.

Andrew, what do you do in Intro to Motor Sports? I live near Rockingham NC and one of the NASCAR schools is close to us.

Coach

 

[1320stang]

I also think it's really cool that some of the guys in your shop are willing to learn some basic ASL. That way it's not just you adapting to the situation, they are adapting as well. Teamwork works well.

 

[eschoendorff]

I also think it's really cool that some of the guys in your shop are willing to learn some basic ASL. That way it's not just you adapting to the situation, they are adapting as well. Teamwork works well.

Okay - that right there is one of the things that I though was so cool (in one of my previous posts). I just didn't know how to say it....

 

[wilbilt]

They're really not that hard, and they're definitely worth having. It's tough to get into one of the higher-end foreign car dealerships in this part of the country without them, even if you have a lot of experience... They put a lost of stock into certification.

Agreed, they are not very difficult to pass and can be worth the effort. Some shops (such as the last one I worked in) don't care. I think this is because the owner tried...and failed...to become certified.

I am considering attempting some Cisco network certs for my "new" career. These will definitely stress some previously unused portions of my brain.

 

[Deafautotech]

i was took Intro to motorsport as last minute because Ivy tech cancelled my Advanced Electric and electronic due to less than 4 students as college need min 7 or more to keep class progress.

my dad and I will mail my registration form with deaf proof papers to show proof that i am deaf then ASE will provide ASL interpreter. ASE said if i use Interpreter then i am only have two test limit. so i decide to take two ase test periods so i can study more and understand more of that kind of ase test.

 

[Canadian Charlie]

Good luck on your exams Andrew

 

[Deafautotech]

ASE certified exams are on May 8, 2007. that three days later after my graduation of ivy tech college as it is on May 5, 2007... i have two days to study on speciality test that i will take for Automatic transmission and manual transmission/Axles.

 

[Deafautotech]

I have my college class and shop manuals to have study on it but i wonder if ase have manual to study on for tests? i was plan to study and read all transmission manuals that i had it for my college classes.

 

[drbill]

I wouldn't worry a lot about taking the test. You only have to pass with 70%
I actually had a training class that the instructor was on the committee that comes up with the test questions. He told me every test has a few questions they are trying out and don't count towards the final result.
I have a set of study guides but I didn't think they helped all that much.
I've always found that of the 4 answers you have to choose from you can eliminate 2 of them fairly easily.

 

[oldcarfart]

i am planning to take it soon as i am finish with IVY TECH college this semester. i have problems with ASE certified tests because i am on second language as the American Sign Language is my first language and second language is english. so when i am reading the ase questions that my teachers have it on classroom manuals as i am read and make it convert from english to ASL so i can understand more but most time i have problems to understands the enlish on ase questions.

i am will taking ASE certified for automatic transmission and Manual transmission/axles this may 2007. i am made myself a goal to complete the ase certified to be ASE master technician. but i am still want taking dealership training and certified for dealership while i am current working in dealership....

see about having sample questions to practice on and concentrate on auto transmission power flow used to troubleshooting, good luck!!
ASE Master Auto Tech since 1991, ASE Truck Tech since 1991

 

[Deafautotech]

thanks for tell me to study more and read on automatic transmission manuals that i got from my class in college.